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The hacktivists behind a hack on The Sun's website claim to have extracted an email archive which they plan to release later on Tuesday. News International's systems were hacked on Monday night. As a result, visitors to The Sun's website were redirected towards a fake story on the supposed death of Rupert Murdoch by infamous …

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Angel

Well...

Hopefully there are some juicier tidbits to this release than the Sarah Palin emails.

Also, I hope most of us can agree that this is a more worthy target for attack than Sony or other gaming sites. There are a lot of sketchy things going on with Murdoch. I, for one, don't trust him at all.

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Megaphone

Sony

are just as evil as News Corp. Seriously.

RIAA, Rootkits on Audio CD's, DCMA, ACTA, MPAA, OtherOS, and f'ing over GeoHot - even if he was a sellout in the end.

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Pint

Geo who?

GeoHot? Yesterday's news! Internet news is so NOW and on the pulse that the typical internet news reader, those people with an attention span shorter than a Gnat's pisser, that by the time you've said NO... is already old and we're off to the next 2 second sound-bite!

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Mushroom

Ever hear the saying, "Forgive and forget"?

Seriously, stop living in the past. If you have an ax to grind with Sony, take it elsewhere. We aren't interested in your pity-party.

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Are you kidding?

"Hopefully there are some juicier tidbits to this release than the Sarah Palin emails."

What, did you not see that movie of hers? You know, the one with the Russian guys?

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Trollface

At the risk of invoking Godwin's (though I don't think it quite applies)

How about those Nazis, eh? Crazy guys, the lot of them. I mean there was that whole Holocaust thing but hey- that'd be living in the past.

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hmm

if only we could get at Hitlers emails that might be very revealing. Does anyone know if he deleted everything before he shot himself?

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Pint

Don't forget..

Shutting down Lik-Sang for importing PSPs before their official release date here!

A bunch of low lifes - but honestly, I think Apple is taking the cake right now with their bullshit lawsuits.

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RE: Well...

Us Brits aren't quite so squeamish about the human body.

We prefer titbits to tidbits.

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Holmes

The names listed were very old. Hardly a great "hack"

I left NI 2 years ago and Chris H left a year before me, possibly even longer.

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@AC 21:32

Apples and oranges.

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Presumably...

...if any of the activities of the execs end up with them appearing in court the first thing their lawyer will do is to point to this release of emails and claim that this now makes a fair trial impossible. Justice will not be done.

Well done lads.

*facepalm*

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Meh

really?

If it was as easy as that, why don't they just release the emails themselves, but under the banner of "Anonymous"?

Oh...

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anti-coward

Surely not - Brookes hasnt been charged so case is not sub judice, and just because evidence is in public domain does not comprise the ability of that evidence being presented in a court case...

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Paris Hilton

the truth

AC: are you saying that, "The truth will actually set her free?"

<--- Paris because she wouldn't have lax security on personal vids and pic, oh, erm.

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Lawyers

They might try but I doubt if they'd get far.

If emails carry proof of manipulation of decisions of the Police (and others) to pervert the course of justice, perjury, bribery, blackmail etc. then the judiciary have grounds to tell the lawyers to naff off.

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Hacking makes the data suspect

I doubt the hacked emails as provided by anonymous would be accepted as evidence, because anonymous could have tampered with them before publishing. And it could be argued that the original email archive on NI's servers are also no longer valid, because if anonymous copied them, who's to say they weren't also able to modify them in-place?

Unless the police have a pristine copy made before the hack, with proper chain-of-evidence documentation, the hack won't help in court and will probably hinder.

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no merit

Anything can be argued, however, the argument has no merit.

I do not think the release of emails will give any sort of immunity to criminal prosecution whatsoever.

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Anonymous Coward

They will have backups

And the modification time of the files too...

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Ironic?

I guess that mail hacking is only "wrong" when NI employees do it then lads?

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Can't expect

LULZ to recognize the distinction. They're really only about their own ego, at the end of teh day.

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Holmes

At last! The moral outrage has arrived

By all means, my heart truly bleeds for the injustice suffered by Mr. Murdoch and his clan. Truly, it does. HAHAHA! just kidding.

tl;dr; Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

PS It IS worse for a professional media organization to behave like brigands than it is for brigands to behave as expected.

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Mushroom

@TeeCee

(1) Have you never heard of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"? We can argue the rights and wrongs of retributive justice all day, but it has a long history and many supporters.

(2) Iff this was carried out by an insider, or as a result of information obtained from an insider, then there is a genuine public interest defence - unlike for the stuff Murdoch was publishing.

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you do understand?

what "hacking" means? guess not

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@TeeCee

It isn't *only* wrong when NI does it - LulzSec and Anonymous are also capable of being wrong, though it is not a foregone conclusion. Equally, NI would not necessarily have been wrong: for instance, if they had been investigating political corruption (for instance, a modern Watergate), then this would be a very different situation. NI overstepped the boundaries this time, and have been caught. Hopefully, Anonymous and LulzSec will keep their eyes on the correct targets (corrupt and uncaring companies and government departments), which is not, per se wrong.

However, are you telling me that you are not getting some small schadenfreude from NI mails being made public?

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hmm...

Slightly different. LulzSec aren't doing it to make money... NI were.

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Lulz

well lads my hat goes off to you sir's well played, very well played.

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Lulzsec?

I thought they retired? It was time, honestly.

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LulzSec say they'll release big Murdoch email archive...

And then they'll be grilled by parliament.

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LulzSec new police?

If LulzSec have managed to extract emails that show the guilt of senior people at NI, that would make them better than the police!! Even with all the laws in the world working in their favour, the police failed miserably to get the evidence and charge the miscreants. It would seem that criminal investigations are better handled by just about anybody than the police!! Unless, of course, they found the evidence, but it went........missing.

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Megaphone

failed miserably to get the evidence

Failed suggests there was an honest attempt to succeed.

Doomed I tell you... Doomed.

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Couple of questions please

I have a couple of questions:

So, if they do have emails and they release them and there's some super-big bombshells in there, what are the legal implications for their use as evidence? Can NI just claim they are faked?

A more techie question follow-up question - is it possible to confirm they are real emails? (I.e. not faked ones designed to rile up public opinion for the lulz...)

Ta for any response

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Mushroom

LulzSec new police?

Yay for anarchy! A private police force arbitrarily using force against arbitrary targets. I for one support our new spotty overlords.

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re: Couple of questions please

Well, such an e-mail would give reasonable grounds for the police to subsequently seize and search all of the back-ups to confirm wether or not those e-mails are indeed fake. Then if it turns out they're not fake they'll have obtained legal evidence against the lot of them.

Unless NI went around cryptographically signing all their e-mails (And their encryption keys weren't nicked in this attack), there is no way easy and certain way for anyone to confirm wether or not a given e-mail is genuine without going through the back-ups to find it. The offline back-ups, that is.

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Happy

information seems to have come from, at best, an old database.

That, or... A database that has not been cleaned of old stuff. Happens a lot, y'know? Hard to believe, I know...

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Tampering not an issue

I wouldn't worry about possible tampering of the email evidence, NI have their mail archived in multiple places and Brooks email was until recently also stored on DVD as well...

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I hope that ...

none of these emails contradicts papa 'doch and baby 'doch's statements to the Commons this afternoon.

That would not make them any friends.

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@AC 15:13

Sure, Sony has been pretty bad in terms of restricting access to their devices and controlling their IP. I am not a supporter of how they attempt to control access to their platforms.

However, Sony HASN'T, as far as I know, been hacking into the phone records of victims of horrible crimes and tragedies, in some cases causing police to back off from cases and giving false hope to families. Also, I haven't heard anything about the people who brought to light the rootkits on audio CDs showing up D-E-A-D within a few weeks.

So, Sony might be evil... but they certainly aren't THAT evil.

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Paris Hilton

LuizSec, a division of NewsInternational, a RAMJAC corporation

Seriously, is there anything quite as air-headed as hacking evidence that would be used to prosecute the weasels?

Now that weasel-central security has been breached by Air-head Hackers United, NI has a golden "get out of jail" pass because they can claim that any and all evidence may have been tampered with.

Mega-Paris award to you for the most dimwitted hack of the century, way to go!

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Holmes

Well

"Seriously, is there anything quite as air-headed as hacking evidence that would be used to prosecute the weasels?"

Perhaps they have no faith that our Lords and Masters have any real inclination to prosecute these so-called weasels?

I certainly have none.

The validity of your usage of the term "would" in the above sentence is debatable to say the least.

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Title

I'm still waiting for the treasure trove of emails that Wikileaks said they have on Murdoch Snr...

But on the subject at hand, what is the probability this wasn't an inside job? Can't imagine News Int techies having too much loyalty to the Dirty Digger

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hacking the hackers

Hacking the hackers. I approve.

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Mushroom

Crikey .... it never rains but it pours?

I suppose the best time to release any emails is after testimony to committee ...... for cross reference purposes to tease out ....... well, inconsistencies is a pleasant enough word for the mealy-mouthed?

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Well thats good...

b coz there will be more info in those emails than there will be coming from the mouths of any of the concerned parties, Plus it may stop the Met police doing their usual cover up of their own corruption.

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Terrific

Now NotW can claim any undesirable email might have been tampered with.

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Anonymous Coward

JESTER ✔ Genuine @th3j35t3r

Possibly dox'd as J Sparrow.

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Paris Hilton

Diocalm @ NI, the Yard, Parliament, Whitehall, ... anyone?

It might help to prevent the runs now that Lulz have done their bit?

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Anonymous Coward

63000?

How could that not be secure? It's WAY OVER 9000!

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Megaphone

Murdoch pwned six ways from Sunday

Anonymous approves :-)

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and their next target?

now's a good time for them to clear the air and finally silence the Right Wing by hacking into George Soros' emails to prove he's not the Left's answer to both Murdoch and Frank...

...crickets

fail at anything other than the usual shortsighted dramatic propaganda to feed the rest of the dole-dependent types. Any of these "hackers" have real jobs and pay their own rents?

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