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The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) has launched a bid to overturn two Apple patent filings that may apply to the HTML5 standard. The web standards group – which is responsible for the HTML5 spec – has asked the world to submit prior art on US patent applications 11/432,295 and 7,743,336. The patents cover ways to secure online …

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Happy

Easy Peesey

Patent HTML5 and don't let Apple have use of it until they surrender the two patents in question to the W3C.

Patents work both ways Steve-o.

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Headmaster

But you can't patent that

It's a spec, so USPTO will exceptionally say "no".

You need some magic applicative dust ... "method to enrage superego CEOs of fruit-logo bearing companies"

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Not such a great plan

In that it would create unpredictability for every other party wanting to use HTML5 that has played properly and hence doesn't have patents to trade with W3C.

But, yes, I support the sentiment that Apple's hand should be forced somehow.

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Unhappy

Agreed

I was thinking just the same thing!

I seem to remember, when reading newspapers or tv magazines years ago that a spelling mistake was quite a rare thing. Not so nowadays, in fact it is now quite the opposite - an article WITHOUT a spelling mistake or grammatical error is now the exception.

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that explains it then

the real reason Jobs hates Flash and wants HTML5... for money.

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money

is only thing Jobs wants.

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Money isn't the only thing...

Steve also seems quite keen on making sure Apple make iEverything and brainwash the world into using iNferior products.

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Pint

HAH!!!

Take that Apple. You can't have it both ways. I look forward to the W3C squashing these patents. Apple shareholders may question the validity of having too many pointless lawsuits going at the same time.

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ffs

Ok, this is really getting stupid now.

Can't we just tell the US patent office that nobody else in the world is going to care until they stop handing out patents to every Tom, Dick and Harry (sorry, Tom, Richard and Harry)?

Really getting stupid now.

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Software patents?

If that's a software description, can't the world just agree to drop the brain-dead US system and let the rest of us implement HTML5 because software patents don't apply (yet) elsewhere? That's the best way to make the point, let the US stew in its own juices until the citizens demand decent patent reform because the existing system adversely affects them. Corporations might be able to deliver campaign dollars to DC, but it's the people who deliver the votes.

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Seconded

I'm an American and I second this motion.

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Jurisdiction

Don't you know that US law extends all over the Globe, applying everywhere. In fact, not just the globe, but space too. And not just local space, like the solar system, but, like, outer space too.

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Evil Thought

Perhaps China should join the software patent bandwagon. Being the market that everyone wants to do business in. They need to end up with a system more borked than the US, say by requiring 50% ownership by chinese residents and then capping the number of patents each may own.

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Stop

Maybe APPL should move from CA to TX ?

Life is much better for patent trolls there.

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Unhappy

sometimes you just have to wait long enough.......

I was genuinely impressed as a semi-interested bystander that Apple were pushing an open standard versus a corporate proprietary alternative, it did seem like an unusual move at the time and I thought a potentially welcome one (eventually once every one had moved over).

But sometimes you just have to wait long enough, now the real reason appears to have reared it's ugly head and it seems Apple didn't want any single company to have too much of a share of the internets favourite media format, unless it them!

Yes I know these companies are obliged to make money and the nicey nice PR is there just to hide the fins popping out of the water, but every now and again you let your guard down for a second or two, open your life to hope and the betterment of humankind and BAMM a knife between the shoulder blades, I only caught a glimpse of my attacker, but I could swear he was wearing a dark polo neck.......

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Embrace, extend, etc

This particular delightful habit wasn't ever limited to Microsoft or Cisco. Here comes the new oppressive monopolist, same as the old oppressive monopolist...

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WTF!

"patents expert Florian Mueller"

Bow Locks.

This snake is no more a patent expert than he is a brain surgeon.

I really, really, REALLY wish people would stop letting him give himself grandiose titles - better still don't quote him at all.

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Apple ...

Out. Of. Their. Fucking. Minds.

But so is a system that allows this type of bollocks to flourish in the first place.

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Arrogant

How arrogant and selfish a paranoid megalomaniac do you need to be to even come up with that plan? I think this rotten Apple needs to lose this Steve more than M$ theirs. I couldn't stand him, though it was me, now enough reason to never ever buy (or recommend) anything made by that moron.

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Heh

I bet Donald Duck also did HTML5 first.

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Windows

Predicting a deafening silence from the usual Apple-apologists on this one...

in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1.

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That . . .

. . . and the deafening clicks of their down-votes.

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I'll bite.

It's a stupid patent, there seems to be plenty of prior art, but the USPO will probably grant it anyway because they seem intent on fucking up the US economy. Given this reality, I can't blame Apple or anyone else, for attempting to grab as much stuff as they can since what they don't grab they'll be defending themselves against in the EDC of Texas.

Additionally, it shouldn't be in the HTML spec, which is supposed to be about defining HTML elements, their behaviour and rendering. A mechanism for monitoring and reporting on browser activity is clearly well outside of the box model.

So plenty of stupid to go round, all thanks to the Patent Office.

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overbite

It's not the fault of the USPTO - no-one has to provide them with any work

Any similar organisation could do one of two things

- publish so it becomes prior art

- patent and give an irrevocable licence to anyone that doesn't take the piss

Some organisations indulge in the second best and sign up to OIN

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@jubtastic1

No, you can't fault companies from filling patents for defensive purposes as long as this BS system exists. But but if that's their intent, all they have to do is accept W3C's terms and agree not to enforce these patents against others.

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Trollface

How much cash?

I know Apple has a rather large bucket but is it really worth the effort of depleting it to pay the lawyers? Unless most of Apple's shareholders are lawyers working these suits then it makes perfect sense. Drive the stock price high by holding a load of cash, sell said stock off getting premium price then collect all the cash behind it in lawsuit fees while the stock price plummets and buy in low and wait for the next cash pile to grow... rinse, repeat.

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FAIL

Who declared Florian Mueller is an expert on anything?

Seriously

Google him in any discussion and you will see him repeatedly challenged and spit the dummy as others point out his less than stellar track record

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Sad stuff

Crapple are such a toxic force in innovation these days.

I hope the W3C come up with some method of meaning HTML5 compliance is somehow implicity licensed until explicitly revoked then Jobs' company can be kicked back to the internet stoneage overnight at will if they want a pissing match.

It's one thing actively trying to block innovation in competitor companies by sueing instead of couter-innovating but potentially fucking up shit for everyone is real News International popularity territory.

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Agree

"toxic force in innovation" is a very good way of saying it. For starters, the iPad would never have come out if the CrunchPad hadn't been so talked about... The iPhone was a copy of the dozens of other smart phones already out at the time (albeit with more built in storage).

And lets not forget how long Apple took to innovate things like MMS and copy and paste into the iPhone... I think they're now just starting to approach the levels of other smart phones that were available when they first released...

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an ex is a has-been and a spurt is a drip under pressure ...

err, Florian Mueller isn't a 'patent expert' ... unless of course,your definition of expert is anyone who talks a lot .... In future I recommend research prior to quotation

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