The El Reg Special Projects Bureau (SPB) is pleased to announce we've finally come up with what we reckon is a worthy successor to our Paper Aircraft Released Into Space (PARIS) project. After a good deal of mulling as to how we could use our PARIS experience to launch an even more improbable and audacious plan to keep the UK at …
Sounds an excellent plan, though I bet Rui's dreading the frock already.
He is. He's threatened a restraining order if I come within 20 feet of him waving a dress...
Et voila, il suffit de demander
Low Orbit Half-assed Aeronautical Nightmare
The project might be LOHAN but as any fule kno, the ship itself will need a nickname.
Following on from the success of PARIS may I humbly propose 'High Hilton', complete with a suitable graphic? Perhaps her ladyship in reclining form underpinned with a long white line representing...err...the exhaust gasses.
Is 'V2' taken?
Excellent graphic! However, why the stealthy design?
Re: Is 'V2' taken?
Actually, it's unlikely that'll be the final design, sexy as it is.
There's a bunch of space enthusiasts in Scotland who were looking at something called a "waverider"
Seems worth a look.
I looked and my eyes hurt
Their website seems to have emerged from an anomaly wormhole to 20 years ago.
Oh yeah..... Here we go again
this is going to be so cool.....
Low Orbit / High Altitude Navigation project?
what he said
I like this one. It's even conventional enough to go mainstream.
For this and similar backronyms.
No advice here, just a wish of fair winds and following seas for the worthy endeavour.
Will the rocket be used to get more altitude?
Err, no. Nope. Nein. Negative. Not at all, totally out of the question.
What else do you think (if you can) it would be used for?
Summing up: no shit, Sherlock
It has to be pointing in the right direction when the fuse is lit.
I Christen Thee...
“Low Orbit / High Altitude Navigator”
What's the recipe
for the rocket fuel? Black powder? Liquid? Ah, the smell of burning eyebrows!
And here's me thinking you may have gone the other way and developed a solar powered paper submarine to cross under the English Channel.
Next beer please
Potassium nitrate and sugar cooked together in a frypan. Don't use a gas flame unless you want loads of smoke, a melted frypan, and your parents yelling at you...
High Altitude Rocket Assisted Kit In Released Ascent
Keeping National Innovation Going However The .uk Looks Economically Yuseless?
Think of the advantages:
It almost qualifies for FotW in and of itself.
It is a registerable domain name. In Lybia, no less.
And who doesn't like Keira?
Ahem. EY is not Libya
in fact, .EY is not a valid TLD yet, but 180k USD can change that soon-ish.
Because gravitiy isn't enough. Or is there an intention to shoot it beyond balloon's reach to higher altitudes?
Low Oxygen High Altitude.. NNNNnnnthingie.
Shurely just sellotape an Astra firework to the belly of Paris with a match head and the sandpaper striker thingy stuck to the release box thingamajig.
Bish bash bosh, job done, proper job, etc.
If this is to be done properly shirley it should be gaffa tape
and you missed the title - its a bodge job, cant be using proper tools like gaffa tape!
Picky Vogon says...
Is a model plane with an auto pilot called a "cruise missile" in some circles?
I thought (probably wrong) that you need a license to develop cruise missiles.
So long as you stick within model aircraft limits (3m wingspan, 7.5Kg weight), no license is required for a UAV. For larger airframes, a specialised license can be obtained. I'm going to hazard a guess and say Lester probably knows all this, or knows a suitable "pilot" (quotes due to it being, err, a UAV).
Of course the rules in Spain may be different to the rules in the UK. Go have a look at the BMFA's website for the latest Handbook and other resources.
I thought that limit only applied to conventional propulsion and that you still need a licence for a proper rocket motor.
Dunno about that.
What I do know is BMFA liability insurance (which is highly limited and only applies on approved land, etc, etc, consult their site for more info) does cover you for up to class M rocket engines, which is pretty fecking huge. We're not talking "firework on a stick". More like "amateur suborbital missile."
I'm gonna guess that Lester has probably done research in this department though, and might even have larger rocket classes planned.
At least, I'm sure we're all hoping he has. Teehee.
First in, first served...
You could always call it "Low Orbit - Here And Now"... more of a goal than a name, really.
LOHAN, Original High Altitude Namesake...
A recursive acronym no less, excellent idea!
could at least name a component:
"Design and test your own plane"
Alternatively buy one off the shelf - plenty of RC aircraft that you could use. That'd get the job better, faster and probably more cheaply too. Lewis would approve (especially if it was American ;)
At least it will actually have to fly this time...
Call me a cynic, but it's nice to see 'flight testing' and 'control' in the list of design necessities this time round...
PARIS was interesting, but it didn't 'fly'...
>PARIS was interesting, but it didn't 'fly'..
Err, what did it do then? Plummet very, very gently?
Flying != dropping slowly
>> PARIS was interesting, but it didn't 'fly'..
> Err, what did it do then? Plummet very, very gently?
It _may_ have managed to glide, although with no evidence of it even being gently hand launched into long grass before the big flight, it's hard to see how it could have been anywhere near trimmed for that.
Not that there was any allowance made for trimming it either.
Very pleased that this one looks like it might be more of a plane and less of a 'lightweight plane shaped object dropped from a height'.
+1 to Ardupilot, there are enough other challenges to overcome to get this one to work.
Probably need tweaking to avoid an Ariane 5 style 'outside the design parameters' disaster though.
Sheep do not so much fly as...plummet.
Well, it looks like you wouldn't call what a folded paper aeroplane does when thrown off the n-th floor balcony 'flying' either.
PARIS managed to end its flight with a surprising lack of damage, from which I dare to draw the conclusion that the craft went relatively slow, which again means a near-horizontal attitude.
OK, it wasn't guided in any way, but in common parlance the craft, seeing that it did no plummeting to speak of and managing airborne time and distance travelled consistent with the aforementioned lack of plummeting, was flying.
Hydrogen's cheaper - have you considered using that in the balloon?
Whilst Hydrogen is Cheaper
It has a nasty tendency to diffuse through most things, so that might make the other materials more costly. I also wonder if the legal situation with launching a highly flammable hydrogen balloon differs with that of launching an inert helium one? Anyone know more on this?
Would be fine with most modern balloons, especially anything made of mylar or similar synthetics.
The real risk is handling large volumes of the stuff. Unsurprisingly it's not easy to buy canisters of hydrogen without a licence. But, that said, we all know how to make it...
We're not going to use hydrogen - ever. As we've said before, a lot of the team smoke, so it's not a very viable plan...
And who'll keep the smokin' team away from the rocket fuel?
We'll probably recruit a dedicated team of non-smoking teetotallers to handle the rocket end, while we watch from behind six feet of plexiglass while swigging a beer and smoking our boffins' pipes.
Wise. Otherwise you'll need twice as much rocket fuel
"smoking our boffins' pipes."
Ooer! fnnr fnnr.
Hydrogen really not a problem, outdoors
In the open air you can't get an explosive hydrogen/air accumulation. Hydrogen on its own has no explosive properties. If someone gets really careless and manages to ignite the balloon, it'll burn strongly upwards (away from them).
It's not well-known that the majority of the passengers in the Hindenburg disaster survived. Of those who didn't, many died of wounds caused by jumping from too great a height, or by heavy metal components of the airship falling onto them. And that was one helluva large balloon.
The fatal flaw of the Hindenburg, was using an inflammable material for its outer skin. You wouldn't do anything that silly, would you?