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Will the tablet kill off the netbook? Probably not. Granted the netbook has never quite fulfilled its promise due to a combination of prices that went up with specifications that didn’t. Even so, I’ve yet to find a fondleslab that can truly replace my Windows 7/Ubuntu dual-booting Samsung N140. Samsung NS310 Lap it up: Samsung' …

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I thought Brazos killed the Atom..

I guess not. Pass.

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I thought so too

...except that theregister steadfastly chooses to ignore any netbooks that don't have an atom chip, and then moan about how there's no innovation.

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(Written by Reg staff)

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We're not ignoring non-Atom netbooks, but we can only review the machines vendors will send us.

Fling us 250 quid, though, and we'll happily buy one to try.

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Yawn...

I would rather look around for an AMD "runt" at this point.

Much more bang for the buck and most of them are not castrated by marketing to 1024x600 like the Intel "runt".

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But then aren't you pandering to the vendors as well as contributing to the impression that only Atom-based netbooks exist?

Perhaps I over-estimate The Reg's influence with manufacturers?

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What influence did you think we possess?

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Just a thought...

...but have you ever asked the manufactures WHY they only send Atom based kit?

Perhaps if you tell them how your readers are sick of not seeing the real competition they will lend you one. HP, Lenover, Toshiba, others all make and sell kit using the latest AMD chips and they must want to make money on them.

PS: The TV Adverts I saw last night for PCWorld; were all for AMD Fusion based laptops & netbooks.

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I assumed

You had photos of most high tech movers and shakers in compromising positions with an eclectic range of livestock.

Disappointed if this is not the case.

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Are there any?

I've been looking around, and haven't seen a netbook (i.e. 10" screen or less) that aren't atom powered. Anyone got a good example of one?

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what about...

http://www.reghardware.com/2011/06/15/review_asus_eee_pad_transformer/

If I had a reason to buy it the money would leave my credit card at the reply speed to "who want's a drink?"

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sorry about the apostrophe

I am a moron

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the apostrophe

I assumed the drink had taken effect.

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Still..

1st one that I'd buy since the NC10 I bought the week it was launched.

TBH I'd almost still rather have it with XP though. Or HAIKU!

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Why dual core ?

I thought that the purpose of a netbook was something light to carry round with a long battery life, so why a dual core cpu ? Also why a hard disk - a SD/flash of 16 or 32GB is more than enough ?

There seems to be the idea that you run your life off this sort of thing and not a portable thing to compliment what you have at home.

Can I get it without an OS so that I can install Ubuntu or Fedora ?

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Why shite screen?

600? Really? That is just utter shite. It's almost as if netbook manufacturers are trying to die a death by a thousand cuts with some of the crap they release. If Intel or MS are hamstringing you then use ARM or AMD and/or Linux. I can no longer see average Joe who can't install an OS getting one of these as they'll invariably want a tablet, hence Linux should no longer be the issue it once was. Put a sticker on it that says "Would have Windows 7 and Intel inside but they said no" if need be.

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no 3g/hsdpa modem?

would it have killed them if they included a 3s/hsdpa modem built-in and leave me a slot to add a sim card? the bill of materials increase for an additional internal 3g modem is usually less than about 10 euro each when purchased bulk.

I don't want to mess with an external usb modem on a small portable device because it tends to snag on all kinds of things and break off either the usb port or the dongle itself.

also, is there any model available with a PixelQi screen yet?

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For a price

When I bought my N10 there was a version with a sim slot available.. for pennies short of £100 extra. Guess there may be such a thing in the newer models unless the customer base has finally got wise to being gouged?

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Crippled with Windows 7

And expensive too because of it. With 2GB or more of memory and a bigger resolution screen instead this would look more like a sane system.

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Very pleased

I'm very pleased you tried it with Linux, and reported everything worked. Now that is proper journalism, not cut-and-paste press release handling.

Bit disappointed that you have to buy it with windows at all, but at least it is the toys-r-us version of W7, so the gatestax is a bit cheaper. Bad news for anyone who wants to use Winjows, as they have to buy it twice, but hey! that's M$ for you.

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I'll second that.

... the final paragraph about it running with linux and everything working - pretty much the most important thing you said, cheers. More like this please.

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Same again Sam

Yet another (despite the article refute) samey Atom/1024 x 600 Netbook at a ridiculous price

Its a few years now since they were introduced and you'd be hard pushed to see any technological progress since the first Aspire One/ASUS Eee PC

Where is the innovation ? MS and Intel are partly to blame here with their crippled restrictions on Widows and screen size

Its not the tablets thats killing the Netbook, its the lack of advance from the original concept. By now we should be having 1280×720 and at least comfortable HD decode/output...

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Have a look at...

Have a little look at the Tosh NB550D.

Beefy graphics and Harman Kardon speakers, under £300 and utterly absent from theregister, both in mention and review.

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It still feels like the eee901 was top of the curve here

Decent battery life, solid state storage, linux option (yeah, I know, only us geeks care about that), about 300 quid.

Things are now shinier and can have better battery life. They have not got cheaper (in the UK), and they have all got hard drives now. Otherwise there's almost no difference.

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Tosh NB550D

This is a good call... you're exactly right,. I've never heard of it before and would be exactly what I was looking for (if it wasn't brown).

Brown?! I see they make a blue 520 with older tech, but either way, the colour must put off so many potential buyers.

Black sells for a reason. Whoever made the call on brown at Toshiba needs a good talking talking to and possibly a slap.

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Alright

At first I was going to how....

(Then I thought why bother)

Then I looked at it (NS310), and then immediately thought, would Apple try to get this banned too, cause it really does look more then a bit like an early Fruity iBook (or whatever they called 'em back then).

And why is the Screen covered? I can only guess that it's not touch sensitive. I just know that given time Dust WILL GET BEHIND THAT SCREEN AGGGHHHH

So does it run Mac? (or Hackentosh?), Sadly my N150 does not with its crappy Intel Graphic Chip.

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Hackintosh

If the hardware is known and if there are workarounds, it may well be possible. I have heard people running leopard on their Asus 1000HE's.

I can understand if you have a great piece of kit, like an i7 rig and you want to run something Mac specific but don't want to shell out for a proper mac, but OS X on a netbook is probably gonna hurt probably as much as W7. ie I wouldn't do it. No way. This is being typed on 10.5 mac btw...

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Actually performance may well be pretty good

There are a lot of hurdles to overcome, depending on the exact hardware as you say, but once it's up and running you can get decent performance out of a hackintosh netbook.

I gave up after a while as something about MacOS started to annoy me, but on my eee it ran well enough to run steam and play a few games like Plants Vs Zombies, and iTunes was fine too. Eventually went back to Linux though.

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MSI Wind

I bought an MSI wind, like almost the very first model (except it was rebadged by Medion). It got Windoze 7ed immediately instead of the local language XP it shipped with, which was actually quite usable, since I did not clog it up with a zillion background updaters for software I don't use and other useless crap. Ubuntu went on and worked fine after I sourced the correct network stuff. Next came the Hackintosh. 10.6.x (I forget the last version I had on it).

It ran almost exclusively as a Hackintosh until the keyboard lost function on a couple of keys, notably the '@' which was irritating. Over at the Insanely OSX or whatever forums, there is plenty of Info about hacking these and other Netbooks.

Personally, for everything I am ever likely to do while travelling, the Hackintosh with the original Atom processor was more than sufficient. I don't run photoshop or DVD ripping on the road or watch HD movies on a 10" screen. This machine looks like an ideal machne for my GF, and it has cute colours which is a big ++ ;)

Today I have a MacAir 11". Same story, way more than adequate for everything - despite a plethora of journalists claiming it to be underpowered. The "total package" is what counts.

I tire of journalists and commentards obsessing about stopwatch performance differences - they are for the most part irrelevant for the average punter and for practical purposes invisible with the limited exceptions of tasks for which the Netbook was clearly never designed nor intended.

On my race car, I can notice if I am down from 800HP/Tonne to 750/tonne and I can read it on the stop watch. On my road car, there is no useful or noticeable difference between 196BHP and 208BHP - mainly because there isn't any telemetry to point it out. The parallel should be obvious.

Paris, because the blondes are all out today on a lovely sunny day.

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Linux on the netbook

Yep, that's hard to beat.

Don't miss windows or OS X. About the only thing I have to gripe about using a netbook is lack of 3D grunt but that's of course, in my line of work, more of a recreational requirement. For that there's my nvidia i7 rig.

Apart from that. I would say the one of the best thing I've ever done (twice) is found a good cheap netbook (cheap is a relative term of course because of what I do next), and upgrade the RAM and chuck in an SSD and boot debian. Tweaking required of course, but that's part of the fun.

These 2 occasions they were Eees, but I can't see why it can't be a samsung etc hardware allowing.

I am currently operating 2 mac lappies too, can't say they were bad purchases, they're incredibly well built, but I worry about the future of these. And lately I've grown to loathe Apple, A LOT.

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Re toys r us windows

I have a refurbed Toshiba NB200, it came with the crappy W7 starter so I repartitioned it and added Ubuntu just as they added unity, not liking it i moved over to easy peasy. But on ahem "obtaining" an upgrade to W7 Home Premium I never looked back. So much so i binned Linux, I aint agin it. My main Azus laptop moved from 32 bit Vista to 64 bit Ubuntu a couple of years ago and my well past it's sell by date Mac Mini dual boots Snow leopard & Linux Mint Debian Edition. Windows with the goodies added seems to me the way to go with something you travel with so much. So i am considering doubling the ram and adding an SSD. 64 GB should be enough. I am well pleased with it & dont want a tablet ( apart from a Kindle). However I also take a bootable Knoppix SD with me just in case. If I needed a replacement something like this Samsung would be an ideal fit, but a W7 anytime upgrade + Ram + SSD would make it an expensive option. You might as well bite the bullet and go for the smaller Macbook Air if you could pick up Apple refurbished one.

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Such weak improvement in two years.

One has to wonder why Moore's law doesn't seem to apply to Netbooks ?

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maybe

whoever is controlling the netbook market has an anti-moore agenda?

it's a conspiracy.

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Samsung build quality.....

"the whole thing is nailed together with Samsung’s customary thoroughness". Interesting comment. I recently had the misfortune of trying to repair an early Samsung Netbook and found that....

1. The fault was in poor design or poor quality parts. The screen display was intermittent and came on/off as you moved the screen between open and closed. I had to replace the ribbon cable between the motherboard and LCD panel to fix it. I found a significant number of people on various forums suffering from the same fault. It seems the horrendously complex hinge mechanism was to blame, effectively acting as a guillotine on the cable that was threaded through it. Crazy.

2. The plastic bezel around the front of the screen self-destructed on removal. It seemed to have been made from reconstituted eggshell and moulded to a thickness that can only be measured with a tunnelling microscope. Appalling.

Neither of the above fill me with confidence that Samsung will ever rise above 'cheap and cheerful' when it comes to netbooks at least.

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