Re: RE: Re @ AC
"Well therein lies the problem,..."
Thank you, most eloquent. As it happens I don't read the Daily Mail, or base my opinions on TV personalities' humour. In fact, I wouldn't place myself in the 'deniers' camp. Nor do I think it's so 'easy' it can be explained in a short posting here, though I appreciate your trying.
The point is, I do have pretty high expectations of scientists, particularly when I'm forced (a) to pay for their research and (b) to pay for our public policy changes based on that research.
Here, I fear the CRU people were so sure of the veracity of their position, that to explain it to everyone was too much of a hassle.
What you/they don't seem to understand is that asking scientists to prove their results is not the same as saying they are wrong, it is a method of giving them an opportunity to communicate their results. (Think of it like a politician being interviewed: the journalist makes a series of opposing statements, allowing them to use the rebuttals as a way of explaining their position).
When the scientist/politician resorts to insult in response, the audience is left with the suspicion that the question was too hard to answer. And they wonder why, and sometimes they figure perhaps it's because the science isn't as valid as it should be. But that may not be the case at all. But by then it's a bit late.
So let's try to agree some common ground. Here's where's I'm at, at the moment...
1. AGW is happening.
2. AGW will be a problem for a lot of people.
3. AGW won't be a problem for a lot of other people.
4. (non-A)GW has happened many times in the past, causing quite a bit of hassle. It's been a lot hotter, and colder (oh, and erratic, I suspect too :-)
On the climate scientists, CRU in particular:
1. They know a lot about AWG
2. They are struggling with poor data
3. They are embarrassed they can't easily prove their conjectures using the data
4. They need to realise the science is the easy bit, compared to communicating their findings
5. They need to realise the communication really matters, as the general population need to be educated and convinced that their money should be spent on this. Because we're talking trillions of dollars here.
If you disagree on any of that, let us know what and why.
Bizarre though it might seem, I'm not trying to take pot-shots for the fun of it, but am actually trying to help you here.