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Apple is set to increase its dominance in the games industry and could own the whole shebang in ten year's time. Well, that's what former PlayStation Veep Phil Harrison reckons. In an interview with Edge, Harrison said, "At this trajectory, if you extrapolate the market-share gains that they are making, forward for ten years – …

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HAHA

Absolutely laughable , enough said.

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With the same logic,

I predict all movies to become straight-to-DVD (or even straight-to-free-download) because these script-driven big budgetty ones aren't going to be worth it anymore.

The central idea of these predictions is that people's time has become worthless. Not sure that holds up for many... [Yes, it's what most parents have said of their children hanging out playing music/games/dvds, but that doesn't make it a correct.]

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"has been so elegantly built by Apple and they will continue to refine it"

Since when did they change the term "built" to mean "copied"?

Since when did they change the term "refine" to mean "restrict" or "limit"?

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Agreed...

What a crock of shit.

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Excellent reasoning there, and nothing at all retarded....nope, no sirree, nothing at a-oh, wait...

Yes, let's just assume that those market share gains will remain constant over ten years, and ignore any possibility of market saturation coming in as a factor why don't we?

Next, how about we assume that the future of videogaming is made of cheese? It's about as fucking likely to happen.

Fuck sakes, it's like 2011 is Year Of The Stupid for Sony or something...

(And no, I didn't read further because with that sort of opening gambit I fear for my sanity, quite frankly)

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Hahahahahaha

You mentioned "Apple" and "games" in the same headline without irony.

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Without Irony?

I would disagree with the "without irony" part of that accusation. The quotes give it away.

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Rubbish

To pick one quote:

"At this trajectory, if you extrapolate the market-share gains that they are making, forward for ten years – if they carry on unrestrained in their growth, then there's a pretty good chance that Apple will be the games industry."

Since when does any market behave like this. Someone may make a big splash and gain ground rapidly for a few years but then their market share always plateaus. One of the few exceptions to this would have to be Microsoft Windows but then there was no real competition running on the same hardware. If Apple had launched their OS running on the IBM PC at the same time we'd have a similar situation.

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Extrapolation is a science

The science of the ridiculous:

at the current rate, everybody will own 4 iPads concurrently in 10 years, so logically there will be an evolutionary pressure to grow more arms and eyes. Expect mutants by 2025.

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WTF?

At this trajectory

Surely they'll just hit the tempered glass ceiling they never foresaw even harder.

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No, it won't.

Apple likes to sell their software only to their matching hardware. They are pretty much like the console producers: they are building only to their platforms and you will pay through the nose in order to own it.

Yes, there are Steam games that run on Macs, but they sell those games outside the Mac world too. You won't see that happen if Apple decides to build a Killer App game. The whole exclusivity thing doesn't sell well outside Mac fans.

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Boo! *hiss*

I want games like Elder Scrolls - not Farmville!

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I call bullsh*t

Will budgets be cut? Maybe. Will this mean the end of story driven games? No. There's a market for them, so they'll be made. It's not like the budgets need to be as high as they are. As long as people are willing to accept that the graphics aren't cutting edge, and so on.

Mobile games aren't in the same market as the bigger games.

And extrapolation, well... http://xkcd.com/605/

Says it all, really.

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What rubbish

First, there's his stats fail about Apple's growth.

"Oh, look; they're market share grew from 1% to 3%*. That's 200% growth, therefore in 5 years they'll own the industry."

No.

* Figures are to illustrate point.

Then the comment about expensive single-player games becoming rare... I don't buy it. There are certain narratives that work better with only one player and they'll continue to be produced.

Sure, companies may scale back the massive budgets they throw on them, but I can't see them becoming rare.

If anything, MMOs should be rare. I find it odd the number of new ones that keep getting announced. At this rate they'll be SMOs because everyone will have their own niche game to play.

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Indeed.

Simple question: are these the same players? The original article doesn't care to find out.

If all iPad players were desktop/console players that have/will completely abandon those platforms, then the prediction is potentially true (but for a small nonzero probability).

If all iPad players have not played before, then it has no influence whatsoever on the established gaming market.

The reality lying somewhere in between those extremes... The vast number of players wanting immersive experiences, with 5.1 sound and giant screens, well these won't really be satisfied here.

So yes, it's like predicting air travel will die out since the invention of highways (in 30s germany): not completely accurate.

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except that...

The android platform is growing much faster than apple's smartphone userbase. So if you ARE going to throw out basically random projections about where we're going to be in 10 years time (which is, let's face it, a dumb thing to do in the first place) what possible reason is there to think that it will be a Jobsian future?

And steam has been showing the way for years, with Apple being a johnny-come-lately to the party.

On the whole, just a deliberately inflammatory article which will predictably result in the usual "healthy debate" between Macolytes and Mac-haters. Well played, El Reg!

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Hahahahah

"Own the games industry"

All of it? Nope! Maybe the casual flash-player game industry, but certainly not in the console or PC markets. I don't even feel the need to explain why.

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no flash

they certainly wont be catering to the flash-player crowd ;-)

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Expensive, you say?

Hasn't stopped Hollywood yet.

Nothing improbable about a new player coming in and doing well (Sony, Microsoft) but for someone to actually dominate the games industry because they've spearheaded the IFad... well. Colour me skeptical. If nothing else, both the social gaming market (multiple people on a single device) and the hardcore gaming market will favour consoles and either consoles or PCs for a little while yet because they have requirements that fondleslabs have yet to meet.

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Title correction

Should read "Mobile will own games industry". Games developers won't place all their eggs in one Apple-shaped basket. It limits their earning potential. For most of the world, Apple hardware is unobtainable as compared to competitors it often costs an arm and a leg (or a kidney).

More 'journalists' throwing about the Apple name because it gets them noticed. Pathetic.

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He's right and he's wrong

He's right in that digital delivery is set to become the dominant model.

He's wrong in that it will be Apple taking the prize. The ifs and buts he uses are a faulty premise. "If Apple's growth continues in the way it is." No. It won't.

Can I play complex MMOs on an iPad? Even with the advent of streaming game services it'll be pretty difficult to play complex games with touch screen controls more suited to Angry Birds.

I personally predict that Steam will become the dominant delivery system, for consoles too. But that's just my opinion.

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I was thinking Steam as well.

I do like a shiny BD full of Drake, but I am also happy to download of PSN or off Steam, provided I have the disk space.

Lets just say that all the PC games I play are delivered digitally via Steam.

As to consoles, they will have to open to other sellers as well. I could see Steam on PS sooner rather than later, already I have linked accounts so my Portal 2 trophies are shared.

As to Apple - no they will not - some of us like to slob out on the sofa controller in hand. Some like to jump around to fitness games, and some are happy with their gaming PC.

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I hope so

Steam is an absolute miracle, in that it's a piece of DRM I don't mind having. Because it's multi-platform *and* multi-publisher, there's competition in the market, meaning that unlike other online markets, prices do come down over time, promotions are worth the user's time, etc.

EA/Ubisoft/your mum might be working on their own delivery platforms, but because of their control freakery and tendency to shaft the customer, they'll fail,and end up back on Steam.

Apple? Phhhhht. Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja might be mindless commuter distractions, but given that the PSP already does this kind of digital distribution, and the next one will be 3G capable, who gives a shit about iPad gaming? Yes, very nice, keep playing with Baby's First Console, I'll be over here playing Uncharted.

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Yes, Steam

Despite my ongoing distaste for the current trend of selling DRM laden, Internet-connection-is-required, must-pay-extra-for-full game (aka DLCs) I find that all my recent purchases were made via Steam. The main reason is their pricing on older titles and specialsand the convenience.

Also the impulse purchase factor.

Recently I found myself reminiscing about GTA3:SA and I wondered if GTA4 had ever been ported to PC. Checked on Steam and there it is for $30. Or $40 for the full game (ie with the 2 DLC packs)

Bugger it I thought, a quick clickety click later and GTA4 is purchased .

I don't like having all my games tethered to Steam yet I'm doing it anyway.

It's a bit of a dilemma really.

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I nearly bought another game last night

This made me check my Steam News

Found a Somerset & Dorset Railway simulator.

Only the lack of a 9F stopped me!

I hate DRM and all of that stuff but Steam just works

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Steam just works

Except when if doesn't.

And then you're f*cked.

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Quick.

Somebody trademark iPippin.

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Unrestrained growth?

Obligatory XKCD comic: http://xkcd.com/605/

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For the love of <insert deity here>

"Obligatory <insert shite here>" ~ We really don't care! Oh! and please don't include a link, what's funny to you is just meh! to the rest of us.

"Playmobile or it didn't happen!" ~ Really?, no! You are not funny. Not. Funny. Any. More. Go. Away.

"Citation required" ~ This is not wikipedia, it's El Reg. now fuck off back & concentrate on deleting stuff you know fuck all about.

"I call <whatever>" ~ We're not playing poker here, if you want to call a bet, do so, elsewhere! Don't use this shite phrase for "disagree", if you disagree please articulate your disagreement, then we can all laugh at your stupidity/not laugh at your inciteful comment, rather than just ignoring the post completely.

Nuff said, my next lecture will be at the Wigmore Hall, natch :-)

Where's the sodding Grenade icon gone now?

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Neil....

Thankyou. You said what I've wanted to say so many times...just ignore the downvoters - there is a clique of tiresomely repetitive-thinking tits who frequent this site who will downvote you for saying anything that goes against their little mindset.

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Surely,

...that's spelled "pwn"?

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Couldn't disagree more!

There are a lot of gamers like myself that love playing games on a big screen TV or PC, that also simply have zero interest in "mobile gaming"! I personally don't want to play on a mobile or tablet (excluding the once in a blue moon 5 min session).

So I think Phil couldn't be more wrong that Apple will somehow eliminate the massive console/PC gaming space and everyone will be playing shitty little portable games!

And to claim Apple of all people will own it when they have no gaming heritage?! I think the Playstation suite on Android or XBL on Windows Phone, cross linking to people existing gamer profiles with those services, are the most likely mobile platforms!

Gaming is probably only so big on the iPad because people have realised they have virtually no other practical use for the thing!

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I think you are right

Android PS Suite or XBL Win 7 mobile are more likely for the more serious gamer. This is why I feel PS Suite will succeed ONE simple reason - the games.

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Easy Answer....NO

They will not overtake steam as a PC games delivery network based on the simple facts that they are apple and don't really DO PCs and public perception is a strong thing to break.

They will not become the Xbox store, Microsoft has their own.

They will not become the Android store, Google has their own.

They may become the PS3 store, Sony has their own, but as trust has just been completely destroyed in their security they may be looking for a tech partner.

So how are they going to "own games industry" again? Even the mobile market is catered for by some other pretty big players....pretty big players that don't skim 30% off the top of each sale to boot.

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Troll Article ???

No i mean really you believe this ????

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bring it on

If all the big companies leave the pc gaming market and head for multiplayer social enabled cloud nirvana maybe little companies that make good games will spring up to take their place.

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Erm, no way!

While I'd applaud the spirit of innovation and whackiness a small radical outfit could bring to the table, your idea is the equivalent of switching an Avatar/Titanic production quality with some experimental/indie/short length film production.

I'd love this to be a stepping stone for those truly innovative souls out there but I'd don't want to go back 20 years in production quality just so that some whizz kid get his chance.

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well

Amongst the flotsom of modern games the only particularly good ones are Europa Universalis, Arsenal of War, a handful od doujin games, FEAR (the sequels were rubbish though), Counter strike, democracy 2, Total War games, Space Empires. Most other games have been at best average.

Most games that I've got in the past three or four years have been just about average, and it seems there is a direct correlation to how much people say a game is good and how much it sucks, Crysis, Assasins Creed, Supreme commander 2, Every civ game since 2, Battlefield, CoD, The Witcher and Dead Space (just to get started) are atrocious games.

Also they don't need to be one man bands, and you picked terrible films as examples as Avatar and Titanic are awful films, but they do quite nicely sum up modern games, bland eye candy that absorb a couple of hours that would have been better spent reading a book or going out with friends.

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Some are good

Try the Uncharted series

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Phil Harrison

Used to come in for a lot of stick on UK Resistance I seem to recall.

The only reason gaming is the top activity on the iPad is there's fuck all else you can use it for.

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Tablet gaming

has too many drawbacks to serious gamers. Covering half the screen with your hands whilst flinging one bird at stationary pigs is fine, but, when it comes to intense first person shooters, you need to see every square inch of your screen. Those corners covered by your hands contain important info, such as ammo, health, maybe a radar screen. Cover those up and you're dead. Look at how many buttons are on PS3, Xbox and Wii controllers, even then, sometimes you need more. Can you really place all those onto a tablet screen? What would you have left, the equivalent of a 6" screen?

Add to that playing on a 10 inch screen with tinny speakers doesn't match a 42" or 50" OLED with 5.1 surround sound.

Mulitplayer on the same screen? Wii-style games such as bowling or tennis? No.

And stop perpetuating this myth that internet speeds are increasing to a point where downloading a few gig of games is no problem... in the real world we are lucky to get 2 megabits on a good day with the wind blowing in the right direction.

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They won't own the industry...

...but they might pwn the industry if they become the de facto channel for games delivery, taking their pound of flesh for each copy sold.

IMO this guy seems to be living well inside the Distortion Field.

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Prophet of doom

"At this trajectory, if you extrapolate the market-share gains that they are making, forward for ten years – if they carry on unrestrained in their growth, then there's a pretty good chance that Apple will be the games industry."

"At this trajectory, if you extrapolate the market-share gains that they are making, forward for ten years – if they carry on unrestrained in their growth, then there's a pretty good chance that we'll be knee-deep in horse-shit"

Can you spot the difference?

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got as far as

"if you extrapolate the market-share gains that they are making, forward for ten years" and didn't need to read anymore.

And this person is a VP? Ah, I see: a former VP. There may be a good reason for that.

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Real world cost of portable gaming (DS versus Touch)

2007 - Bought the younger kid a Nintendo DS. He dropped it and one of the hinges broke. Still works, but it's hanging by a thread.

2010 - Bought the same kid a iPod Touch 4. 10: He dropped it. It's fine. GOTO 10.

2007-2009 - bought plenty of DS games at $20 to $40 a pop. They evaporate into thin air. It's like watching a magician. Opens hand to show you a $40 game, closes hand, opens hand and the $40 game has vanished into thin air. Never to be seen again. Happens over and over again. Hundreds of dollars of game cartridges have vanished into thin air.

2010 - gave the kid a 'credit' of $35 for iPod Touch games. Even six months later he's only spent about $20 of it. iPod Touch is crammed full of $1 or free games.

An iPod Touch is far far far far cheaper than a Nintendo DS.

The PSP is probably about half-way between these two.

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I dont think so tim

Apples current gaming success is in spite of Apple, not because of anything they've done.

They've had how long to actually formulate a gaming strategy, but keep restarting.

If Apple really are going to own this space, they're going to need to make a lot of quick moves, else another company will take apples strengths and own the space: steamand onlive are well on their way

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Cloudy Vision

The idea of playing games online on demand is exactly what Games publishers are dreaming of. We pay to play. But the payment model is not good for the consumer. So who will win out on that. Will the consumer be forced to pay up or will the play up?

The idea of Apple become the game's industry is just to catch your eye here. That's not going to happen, any more than the Kinect will do away with the controller of a console, or the console die out in favour of an iPad. I would dare to say that in two years time the iPad will be a nice to have gizmo going cheap on eBay. It will end up on the slag heap of technology because after a while people get fed up with it and opt to go back to their PC or console. The iPad and the son of Wii both suffer the same problem of being poor interfaces to games.

I think the comment that single player FPS and adventure games becoming rare is just simply wrong. There is a healthy demand. I think my cynercism sensor also went off when I read this and it sounds like a general exorcise to persuade/breed consumers to think second rate games of simple blocks being pushed around is what real gaming is about. Bollocks to that as well. I'm not saying all games have to be COD or Halo, but I am saying that good games are those that capture the imagination of the player and they play them. Good games are not those we are told are good by corporations.

Being cynical here I would say it smells of someone hoping to be snapped up by Apple and be their evangelist for their domination of the games industry. Bollocks.

Can I just point out there is a new Halo4 coming out, when everyone thought it was all over. It's now coming back. The idea of interacting with story is not going to go away.

Personaly I'm with Gordon Freeman on this and Cave Johnson. Do good science and the world's a better place... for those still alive. ;-)

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You didn't just...

...hold up Halo as an example of good game narrative, did you?

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One word:

BUTTONS!

Unless it has physical buttons that provide feedback then it'll never happen. There's only so much can be done with tilting and swiping and the on screen 'buttons' are a joke.

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Ha Ha...

"Apple is set to increase its dominance in the games industry and could own the whole shebang in ten year's time".. you could say that about any company Veep. Bit of a generic statement.

Sony, Nintendo & Microsoft are very big players in that arena. My Führer Jobs & Co, would have a hard time breaking into that market, especially as there is a wave of distrust in the direction that Apple seem to be going with developers at the moment.

Saying that, I know nothing about the new generation of consoles/games. I'm still trying to complete Super Mario World on the SNES 100%... may be after that I'll move on to Sonic The Hedgehog.

Anyone else remember the Viz adds Sonic?

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2006/03/segas-bizarre-early-1990s-viz-adverts.html

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