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Mozilla plans to release the next small-fry iteration of its Firefox browser next week. Ahead of that, a release candidate version of Firefox 5 landed yesterday. The open-source browser-maker lists the following tweaks to the latest test build: Added support for CSS animations; The Do-Not-Track header preference has been moved …

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Coffee/keyboard

Slow down lads...

Three major version releases in under a year? What's the freaking rush???

You already have the better browser. However, how about letting your developers catch up with your current browser before kicking up the version number.

I have not upgraded to V4 yet as 3/4 of my add-ons do not work with it. Here's a tip kids. The functionality I find in my add-ons is of more value to me than the browser. So unless you plan on building in the same functionality as my add-ons into the next version I am not upgrading.

That, or let add-ons WORK with future releases without having to be re-coded.

Switch to decaff, take your time and slow down the major version releases. Stabilize the version you have now, before moving on.

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I agree entirely

I don't understand why they're rushing out the versions so fast. I'd prefer if they worked on getting the current version stable and faster first. It seems that with every release they've done over the last year or so the browser has got slower, I'm seriously considering jumping ship to Chrome but, of course, Chrome doesn't have all the add-ons I need yet.

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WTF?

Agreed

Also wtf happened to point releases? It would make more sense for them to release 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 this year and then move to v5 next year. With the current plan we'll be using Firefox 20 in about 2 years time!

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Version number catch-up

I presume they are just trying to get Firefox version numbers to catch-up with IE, to help out consumers who think IE11 is better than FF3 because the number is higher.

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Addons often do work

If you edit the "install.rdf" file in the XPI bundle (which is just a ZIP archive) with any text editor you can change the "maxVersion" to whatever you please. Though you might want to test it first before wide-scale deployment. Sometimes those version limits are there for a reason.

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*Splutter*

"It seems that with every release they've done over the last year or so the browser has got slower,"

Did you just MISS Firefox 4 or something? Don't even begin to tell me that is slower than 3.6. When it came out I ran it through benchmarks and it was beating the then-current Chrome for JS times.

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Opera's been on 11 since December 2010 ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_(web_browser)#History

Currently 11.11 (released 18th May 2011)

I wonder if they're tracking the year number. But anyway, Firefox is still a long way behind a version 11!

I think this announcement refers to Firefox 5.0 (test) AND Firefox, um, 4.0.2 probably.

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Wow...

...just when you thought the Opera fanboys couldn't get any more stupid. Version numbers aren't a dick measuring contest. Windows is still on 6.1.

Also, another way of looking at Firefox vs Opera is that it didn't take Firefox as many versions to be the better browser.

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RE: *Splutter*

Yeah, 4 was an improvement and ran fine, the hardware rendering stress test maxed out at 60fps. A few patches later and it now runs at 9 fps, or 11 if I disable hardware rendering. Yes, on both of my PCs it runs faster with hardware rendering turned off.

My main PC is less than 2 years old and has been regularly upgraded, it doesn't have any issues running high-end games or 3D modelling but try to view a page with more than 5 gif's on it in Firefox and the browser practically locks up. Removing and reinstalling doesn't fix it either.

For reference, IE9 with hardware rendering turned on still maxes out the stress test at 60fps.

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Joke

Ah, I see, I forgot.

"Joke Alert."

I did put in a ":-)" though.

I do like Opera, and I have a vast and unreasonable number of web pages open simultaneously. But I have Firefox installed as well. Not Chrome though.

The other day Windows 7 told me to close Opera as it was using too much RAM, but when I checked, I found that a fingerprint recognition device's service that I never use was running amuck and taking a gigabyte of RAM and climbing. Thank you so much HP. I stopped the service. If I'm overlooking something else there, I'm eager to hear about it.

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better than the last?

well hopefully its better than 4

which is as bugger as hell quite truthfully

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I wonder if they've put the status bar back where it belongs?

And perhaps the home and reload buttons?

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Home and reload are moveable

You can move home, reload and the stop button if you choose to. It isn't entirely obvious but if you right-click the bar and select "Customise" you'll see that in the address bar you now have a separate refresh and stop button. If you drag these out they stay as separate icons instead of the contextual stop or refresh button. The home button is just off to the right for some reason and again that can easily be dragged back by using the customise option. As for the status bar it's still there but turned off by default.

For others asking why the rush... did you read that this is *not* a major release? They're upping the release schedule so they can get features out faster instead of adding huge amounts of features in a longer development process. It's a better idea in my opinion and means that we don't have to wait for a year or more to get features that other browsers might have by offering more frequent releases.

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Home & Reload buttons

You can move them to wherever you like by clicking the orange Firefox button at the top left, then Options, Toolbar Layout, and just drag the buttons to wherever you see fit.

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titular edifice

"did you read that this is *not* a major release?"

I think that is the point - why upgrade a major version for a minor release? 4.1 may be more appropriate.

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WTF?

Why?

The version number is largely arbitary anyway. Why not just update when features are finished? Mozilla 5 isn't going to be a massive change from 4 anyway, because they are updating often instead of saving the changes up over a number of years before release.

This is what Google are doing - they don't put so much emphasis in version numbers.

So there's nothing stopping you from staying exactly where you are.

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No need to slow down

Just.. These are not majour releases.

What's wrong with 4.1, 4.2, 4.3....

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Wont be ugrading any further

Used to love FF and really push it to my customers, pre install it et al.

Found 4 buggy and on some systems (no reason ever found) slower than hell. Mobile FF regulalry takes out my phone so maybe slow down and do som QA guys?

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It's FREE stop moaning!

It is FREE you know, cease moaning! Upgrade or not it is entirely up to you.

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Piss is free but I won't drink it.

The only thing I use FF for these days are the web dev tools I can't get in Chrome (yet).

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Try Chrome's dev tools…

Paul Irish gave a demo at this years IO conference (http://youtu.be/N8SS-rUEZPg) highlighting some features of Chrome's dev tools and they are pretty tidy. Not that it's worth anything, but I've switched to them an find them better than firebug, like I say that's just my opinion; YMMV. Chris Pederic's Web Developer Toolbar is also available for Chrome

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FAIL

Sorry...I'm waiting for FireFox 29 before I'll upgrade.

Should be along by the end of the summer I suspect.

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WTF?

What's so wrong with FF2?

Still using FF2 very happily. I mean WHAT IS THE POINT of all this buzz except to make advertising people happy?

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What advertisers?

Fit that matter, what's the point of computers? Mankind got on quite well without them for several thousand years.

On a serious note; your Firefox 2 will have security issues as it is no longer supported by Mozilla and there are some floors in it's now less-than-efficient JavaScript implementation. It's standards compliance won't be up to scratch. I'm not talking leading edge either (HTML5 and CSS3 etc.).

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Opera works now

There is still a religious fervour about Opera but the browser does now work for this ex-Firefox user of several years. I just could not get on with FF4 or FF5. Even ALT-tooltips work now with the right Opera add-on but there is no Weatherfox yet. The only problem is importing tabs & bookmarks- they are alphabetised so you need to manually reorder them.

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Architecture mistake

This is a bad idea. The whole point about big and small version numbers is that you know what to expect. If you develop an app for Windows 2000 (5.0), you expect it to work in Windows XP (5.1); but you expect problems in Vista (6.0). Same with Firefox extensions - if it works in 3.5 then it should work in 3.6, but you can expect trouble with 4.0. Minor version numbers should only contain superficial changes; major versions should make deep changes to the APIs.

Continuous change simply isn't possible; sometimes you need to stop and re-write large parts of the system from scratch.

Reminds me of the time Microsoft bumped the version of Word from 2.0 to 6.0, because people thought it wasn't as good as WordPerfect 6.0.

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Conspicuous in its absence

Not really interested in an upgrade until I see "Fixed memory leaks" on the changelist.

When a browser with a single tab open can use more RAM than VirutalBox running a whole OS in it, something needs fixing.

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Agreed

VMWare running WinXP = 40.8MB

Firefox 4 with four tabs open = 604.5MB

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Beat me to it

When are they going to address the memory leak? Anyone have a kludge or anything in the mean time?

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On the upgrade path; uphill both ways?

I had to go back to 3.6 on my work computer (from 4); my wife decided to take the plunge to 5 beta.

From her account 5 is much better than 4 and maybe as good as 3.6. . .

Of course that was the beta and feature creep might have munged* the hell out of it by now.

*mung, from the old hackers dictionary is an acronym meaning mung.until.no.good.

(but you knew that.)

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I do not see the problem

I think the new quicker release cycle will benefit Firefox in the long term. To me It seem that most of the bugs people fine are when everyone upgrades and if they are shipping upgrades faster hopefully those bugs will be fixed quicker. Hopefully by going for smaller releases the software will increase in stability and maintain that stability. Either way it has not done Google chrome any harm. An Adobe seem to be moving Flash to the same rapid release cycle.

About the numbering, if you really cared about what each version fixed and whether there are minor fixes or big fixes then you would read the release notes and documentation. So I do not really care what they call each release. An I think the some people are overreacting a little bit here.

The add on problems should be fixed once Mozilla finishes the new add on system. Plus developers who are interested in keeping there apps up to date will change there developing process to speed up app development make sure they work with each version of Firefox. Chrome add ons have not suffered any issues from Chrome rapid release cycle, not as far as I know any way.

An for the memory leaks FF5 is suppose to fix a lot of them.

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Running 5 beta

I find the FF 5 beta to be faster and more stable than 4.0, although it still has some problems rendering pages that used to show up fine in 3.6 and which still show up fine in IE 9. AdBlock+ works better than in Chrome, though, and NoScript does what it should.

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Unhappy

Slow and unstable

Sad to say I've just given up with FF after some years. It takes forever to start and latest version 4 unstable - crashes when printing etc.

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re: I've just given up

I bet you were running it on Windows ...

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FF4 Problems

I was having problems loading the Doctor Who website at the BBC, which then became the whole BBC website. The text was showing fine, but some graphics and flash were not showing even with NoScript and Adblock disabled. It worked fine in IE9, so I installed Portable FF3.7 which worked as well. So I uninstalled FF4 and re-installed it again. Voila, it's now working. I installed Adblock and NoScript, and it's still working. Not sure if there was a problem with FF4 itself, or a plug in or Extension causing the problem, but doing the re-install fixed it. If you are going to re-install, remember to export your bookmarks first. :)

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