Four Virgin Atlantic employees at Gatwick airport were sacked after a video purportedly showing a member of the Taliban having sex with a donkey was emailed to the airline's entire IT department. The vid, called “What the Taliban do when they are not making improvised explosive devices", according to the Sunday Mirror, was …
Internal Examination of Donkey - but when it lets go ,it really lets go.
Sounds harsh, but not unheard of
I know several very competent individuals who've been let go by big corporates (mostly investment banks, but not always) for *receiving* emails containing porny content. Which is a bit of a fail in terms of understanding how much control any user has over the sort of email they receive...
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in terms of the appeal, especially the claim that more senior people regularly send out smut via mail...
Do not cross the BOFH
I can't wait for the email logs and backups to come out, and some senior person wailing "But I hit delete! Why is the mail still there?!".
Let's hope those senior people have given the BOFH proper incentives for making sure the mail doesn't come to light.
But THEY did it too!
Donkeys? That's sick!
I thought camels were more their style ...
No - camels get the hump too easily, (sorry someone had to say it).
"I thought camels were more their style ..."
They normally are but all the pretty ones were spoken for.
> I thought camels were more their style ...
Not really. Young boys apparently are in Afghan culture (and they in turn become abusers when adult). And Afghan men do what Afghan men do when far from home, when sharing blankets.
Anyway, this was how they rolled there according to Doug Beattie in his book... a good read about the fighting there from a grunt perspective.
Infantry. The Queens of The Battlefield. They get it from both sides.
Camels? Too fast
Donkeys are slower, so it's easier to keep in step.
And they don't spit :-(
Spit or swallow?
I don't think they would be putting it in that end mate.
Donkeys have a penchant for carrots afterall.
More likely ...
... the 'Beasty' element to the Porn Vids that got 'em sacked, it's a crime to watch this kinda thing don't you know?
Shame it wasn't titled "Taliban donkey shagging vid" then...
I mean, how would you know until it was too late?
Long lonely days and nights...
"I thought camels were more their style ..."
... I guess after too long alone, too much heat any hole is a goal!
Thought it was Virgin (ne: Teleworst)
When I read the headline, I just assumed that the Virgin (internet / broadband / fibre / teleworst whatever they call themselves this week) IT people looked at what their 50Mbit users were downloading...
... the donkey was a member of His Butt to Rear.
Please may I..
nick that gag?
I've written a parody to "Runaround Sue" about this story, and that'll slot in perfectly
Back in the 90's when corporates, this part of the planet, first got web access it was still pretty much unfiltered.
Worked at a major corporate who had an admin looking at web logs to manage and control Internet access. So porn sites were not blocked - but access seen via the logs and then reported to management by this admin as part of his job description.
The very same admin that told me of what the best of the best bestiality sites were that he found on the net... <shudder>
Who watch the watchers?
That used to be the best part of my job: locating, confirming (by viewing) all of the raunchiest (so they said, but I didn't think so) stuff on the internet, and then reporting it to corporate security.
(Not that I didn't enjoy most every other part of my job, but that was like a BONUS.
RE: Nothing new....
When we used to borg another comapny's network into ours, guaranteed if there was any pr0n to be found it was usually a hidden stash on some kit only their network/firewall admins had access to.....
The Taliban in question must have felt like a bit of an Ass...
More PC posturing by management who have almost certainly committed far more heinous sins...
Par for the course these days...
Anyone remember common sense?
I believe it became extinct in the mid-late 1980's
It's not what you do....
...it's what you are SEEN to do. If they had been caught watching it, then they probably would've just got a warning. Emailing to to *hundreds* of other people though was asking to be made an example of.
So in the 80s it would have been acceptable to post some donkey porn into everyone in a company?
I think not.
I believe the real common sense issue here is having the common sense not to email porn to everyone in your company.
But, as I understand it, the material sent out in this case was not by any reasonable definition "porn".
Suspended for receiving....
Is entirely different from sending it on.
I've seen email addresses get inundated with porn from the users friends (working at other companies). Our worker got an official warning, which later removed when I was called to explain that we cannot control who sends things from outside the company and produced the spam log :D
Those sending, well I heard on the grapevine that a couple of the other companies IT admins got a whole new list to check.
Sending smut on company emails? In this day and age? Planks!
' The quartet are due before an employment tribunal today where they will claim unfair dismissal on the grounds that "more senior Virgin staff regularly sent pornography to the airline’s staff". '
As my teachers and parents said, 'Just 'cos Fred does it, doesn't mean you have to join in does it? Haven't you got a mind of your own to realise the consequences?'.
Yep, I don't doubt management do the same thing but they're management and management NEVER EVER get caught "with their pants down" so to speak. You planks were stupid enough to send it around and what's more, daft enough to got caught sending it!
Could have been worse...
... could have been Spanish donkeys!
RE: Could have been worse...
... or German cucumbers!
Cows Are Not Fun Because:
1. You need to stand on a bucket..
2. The tail gets in the way.
3. You have to run around to the front to kiss 'em.
I pity the mule...
I saw this video at least a year ago, maybe 2, and it was on YouTube at the time. I was emailed the link by (surprise, surprise) a soldier friend of mine who had just returned from Afganistan.
I'm not sure if it's still on YouTube, but it certainly wasn't graphic, being shot at night using night vision at quite a long range. Basically it was funny, and certainly not obscene - how anyone could get fired for receiving this by email beggars belief.
can we list all there names please so it shows up on google incase i consider hiring these morons,.
Whilst I'm sure sending humorous e-mails were not why the company provided employees with e-mail; I say this is just another excuse to go over the top wit the response. It was just a bit of horseplay after all.
Fired for donkey porn?
Must have felt a bit of an ass hole
.. that the reason for letting them go is not RECEIVING this stuff, but sending it on.
AFAIK, anyone who works for a Virgin branded setup must underwrite a policy which tells them in no uncertain terms that such non-business email is "verboten". The reason for that is simple: Virgin spends a fortune on managing their brand and the associated brand values, and it only takes one idiot to cause damage.
Originating rubbish from a Virgin branded email address is thus *begging* for trouble - it will get caught in their filters and flagged for attention. QED.
I can't see this go to court - it's part of their contract..
When in Rome....
Being part of an international group is fun because you often get email sent to you by mistake from those a bit quick to click in the company addressbook. After we borged a French company, there was the funny incident of an UK's director's PA getting a series of naturist pics sent through to her because her surname and initials were shared by one of our new French colleagues. The guilty parties were quite surprised by the attitude of their new and prudish UK overlords, to the point where the French HR director even asked what the fuss was all about! Needless to say, the UK's HR scheme got implemented across Europe despite Continental objections.
I think your missing an important piece here; Virgin's entire IT department is 4 people, and they let all of them travel together? I guess since they all made it off the plane, plan B was to just fire them for porn? Get real, there's more to this...
"may have been in breach of the Obscene Publications Act"
No, because the OPA covers "publication for gain", ie publishing *and selling* something.
This case wouldn't even come under the Extreme Porn Act unless it could be demonstrated that the images were intended "for sexual arousal" and that they were kept for "an unreasonable length of time" and actively sought out by the recipients instead of being sent to them unsolicited.
This falls under animal cruelty laws--especially if the talib refused to snuggle with the donkey afterwards!!!
In many Islamic countries it's only a crime if it's not your donkey (or goat, or camel). Shias class it as a crime if you don't kill the animal afterwards ("sorry, goat, but you were just a one-night fling"), or if you sell the meat from the animal in your own village. Well, if you're a bloke, that is - both Sunni and Shia women are executed if caught enjoying anything hairier than the average Mo. I'm not sure what the Islamic punishment is if you are caught watching a vid of beastilaity - maybe go work for Virgin?
No, I'm not posting*.
Temptation tempered by the beautiful photo of Lester's jenny.
In more important news, said jenny has been named by the amicably qualified judge as....
(C,mon - it's killing me....)
*Question that "Did he use a "bin Liner" is too obvious...ok, I lied.
I call my Learned Friend, Editor of that fine esteemed newspaper, the Sunday Mirror...."
"On second thoughts, is there a representative from The Big Issue in the court?"
The "Virgin" employees made their mistake by posting with the wrong animal preference of the talibanski. If they'd stayed with camels (or even goats or sheep) the donkey protectors would not have raised a concern.