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An HP exec says that his company's upcoming TouchPad will overtake the current tablet-market dominator, Apple's iPad. "In the tablet world we're going to become better than number one. We call it number one plus," HP's EMEA personal systems group headman Eric Cador told a press conference in Cannes, according to The Telegraph. …

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Vapour

"In the tablet world we're going to become better than number one. We call it number one plus."

Ah, another worthy addition to the vast lexicon of marketing bollocks. Is there a school where they teach people how to come up with this crap?

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The master has it covered

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-05-10/

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Basic maths

Isn't 'one plus' at least two (conveniently ignoring that zero is a number).

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will execs never learn

I remember Steve Ballmer saying something along the lines of Windows Mobile 6 Phones (not win phone 7) whipping the iPhones arse.

Such bold statements will inevitably end up causing mass egg on face incidents.

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Headmaster

Ya misspelt vapor

"Is there a school where they teach people how to come up with this crap?"

Nah, the big-haired marketing weirdos just huff butthash.

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Unhappy

No mention of apps?

Those apps don't write themselves... and in the consumer space I don't think anyone can claim (anymore) to have "arrived" until Angry Birds run on whatever it is you're selling.

RIM, I thought, was adopting the Android app engine (Dalvik?) - what is HP going to do?

Even though I hear WebOS is actually a pretty impressive OS, I don't get the impression that many (any?) popular phone/pad apps are available for it.

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Angry Birds runs just fine on WebOS

I have one of the original Palm Pre WebOS phones, and Angry Birds runs just fine on it. I have no doubt that it will run just fine on a WebOS tablet, as well.

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Am I alone

in having not a clue what "angry birds" means?

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Happy

Re: Rick, Re: Robert

Rick,

Interesting info - I really didn't know it had this and it seems like there is a drum beat every time WebOS gets mentioned that everyone piles on to lament the - alleged - anemic app availability for WebOS. Any idea what their app engine is or how easy/difficult it is to program for?

Robert,

Please don't take offense to this, but I'm assuming you don't have kids that own or have played with an iOS/Android device. It's popular to the point of it being a sort of litmus test for popular mobile apps similar to how "but can it run Crysis" always seems to be asked by someone every time a new processor or GPU is released. I'll put it this way... I've never seen an iPod or iPad that didn't have it installed.

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Anonymous Coward

In a word

yes

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It's what happens...

...if you piss Sarah off.

I'll be going now, before she gets that horsewhip..

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Anonymous Coward

Yes

the rest of us know how to use a search engine

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Boffin

Am I alone..??

No, I'm sure there are plenty of other people who don't know how to use search engines and detective skills too.

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WebOS runs Palm programs

Long before there were "apps", Palm had a catalogue of programs which actually did real things (i.e. business and commercial applications, not just Angry Birds). I don't have a WebOS device at the moment, but as far as I can tell, there is a PalmOS emulator out there which means that I will get one when my latest Tungsten E goes the way of all electronics and I will still be able to access the 8 or so years of contacts, appointments, notes, to do lists that I store on my own PC and not in a 'cloud' somewhere.

That's what HP bought with Palm.

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@Robert

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=angry+birds

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Paris Hilton

Re: Am I alone.

It's referring to aftermath of your nocturnal activities.

Next you will say what's Paris ?

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I think not...

I think Forrester summed it up a while ago saying HP are making a decent play for second place in the Tablet market.

It's coming very late to a rather crowded market. Perhaps WebOS and apps will allow it to stand out - we will see, but suspect Mr Cador is being somewhat optimistic.

The statement achieved it's aim in a way; lots of media coverage...

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WebOS

Everybody either wants iPad or Android variants. I doubt anybody will be as interested in WebOS unelss they get a MAJOR burt of app devs.

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Anonymous Coward

seems everyone

wants an ipad by sales figures

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Optimistic?

Probably, but, that is his job. I don't think shareholders etc would be happy to hear him come out and say that he was aiming to be an also-ran.

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don't you mean

> aiming to be an also-ran.

Yeah even the Microsheep shareholders are finally get tired of Balmer's constant also-ran business plans (Zune, Kin, WinMob7 anyone?)

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dear EMEA director

Can you actually do your job instead of trolling the press?

Like, WebOS app store along with actual devices are non existent on Europe/Middle East/Africa. That is what EMEA director does right? Ship these things? Advertise? Support developer scene?

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Branding? Should have kept "Palm"

HP is not a sexy brand name. It never will be. While Palm wasn't exactly sexy it at least has a great reputation among business, and had a chance to invent an image for itself with the non-business consumer.

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Absolutely, Palm IS sexy

They then could enter that niche in the market that Apple left glaringly open.

Presenting... the Hairy Palm, a pad for all your porn.

Antiseptic NanoSilver coated glass and a range of washable plugins.

The companion Up the Store has apps for every taste, starting at 59p for gorgeous retired sex trade workers to 19.99 for unknown ex-eastern bloc celebrities. Plus amazing Touchstone attachments that will energise your fun.

This is such an obvious market I'm surprised no one came out with it yet.

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Coat

Missed opportunity...

They didn't last long enough to see social networking...

FacePalm..

Ok, ok, I'm going

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Unhappy

Re: Branding? Should have kept "Palm"

'HP is not a sexy brand name. It never will be. While Palm wasn't exactly sexy it at least has a great reputation among business, and had a chance to invent an image for itself with the non-business consumer.'

Thats a shame 'cause HP or at least Hewlet Packard used to be a very high quality name, probably as good as Apple however they decide to go after the large PC market while trying to maintain the 'Brand' when they took over Compaq.....

The rest is history

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"web"Os and security?

Hmm. They want it secure for corporate use. But it highly integrates web stuff. Isn't that a contradiction right there?

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You can't install antivirus too

Unless someone comes up with a javascript antivirus, F-secure and Kaspersky guys won't be able to ship anything meaningful as you can't run native code on WebOS.

That means stuff like encyripted directories, anti spam etc. won't exist. It is worse than iphone as you can at least code native stuff and unless you don't cross their "wishes", your app will be shipped.

They say code widgets using web tech. Even Apple couldn't convince developers as c developers hate such stuff. If you follow the entire mobile scene, actually Nokia tried it too. Failed miserably. (wrt).

Is it some new rule to try some web thing, fail and lose millions? How hard to find 100 popular software that users love and being actively developed and ask the developers themselves some questions? Like, would they even find time to release on some weird web runtime platform while releasing simultaneously for android, ios and symbian same time? Notice that they either sell software or they are supported by advertisers so the app must work flawlessly. It has been measured once, the time user installs an application and removes can go down to 1 minute! Yes, code hundreds of thousands of lines, test and release. User sees smallest quirk and uninstalls in 1 minute. You will never, ever convince them to try again. It is such a competitive scene.

HP guys actually take the mobile app scene serious?

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You can do native on WebOS

https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/quick_start_c.html

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Headmaster

Number One Plus

Hold on. Based on the usual method of ranking, one is best, two is next best, etc. So wouldn't "number one plus" actually mean "worse than best"?

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Joke

Since lower is better

I think he meant to say that HP is aiming to be a zero in the tablet market.

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Depends on the integer

Is it signed or unsigned?

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Pity the poor fool.

What a crock. I began this with a reasoned bullet list of arguments but as I typed them I thought "this is ridiculous- it's just OBVIOUSLY rubbish". So my well- reasoned and intelligent rebuttal is this: Bollocks.

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It is HP vs Microsoft

fighing it out for 4th & 5th place in the market or 3rd & 4th if RIM don't get their act together

I wouldn't put it past either of them to resort to some slight of hand to stop Android & IOS from accessing certain bits of corporate software (Exchange for one).

If HP release their MK 1 device in the Autumn (they have to or they will mis another Christmas period in the US) then the iPad will have been on the market for close on 2 years. IMHO this will be far too late.

Apple will be able to counter any USP HP come up with in a pretty short time. Android won't be far behind.

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a distant 3rd and will never try

Already have an iPad v2 and two android tablets for the kids....moved to android for the price...why would I do webos? too late for my consideration....plus it looks like it would HP only...reminds me of HP-UX on Itanium. ouch.

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Happy

Out of curiosity...

What Android tab did you get for the kids? Been looking for something cheaper than an iPad for my kids, but other than the Nook Color I haven't seen anything that has seemed too interesting.

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viewsonic gtablet

can be had for under $300 and is easily rooted as there is a whole community to support it

xda-developers.com the nook is nice if you just want to read books and mags

if you want a great tablet get the gtablet....and put on the amazon marketplace to get a free app every day. The kids love them and are the perfect back seat entertainment centers.

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Hadn't looked into that one yet

Thanks!

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Not as insane as it sounds

Our company is currently dishing out iPads - they make pretty decent thin clients and suit a lot of our users.

They are, however, a bit of a pain to manage and support.

If we had a alternative that had a set of management tools we'd definitely be interested to the point of evaluating and I suspect that as long as pricing was comparable and the device itself wasn't a complete dog, we'd buy. The number of available fart apps would not be to much of an issue.

However sadly for HP they'd probably lose a PC sale for each TouchPad purchase.

At present tablets are like MP3 players - there's a clear best of breed and they're not really for general business. Apple's market leader for good reason.

If the market changes so that this sort of device is more like a phone you might buy one yourself but a lot of people would have one provided by their company - then you could see a shift so that iPad sales were more in line with smartphones with Apple a big player but not the only sane option.

If the change is greater than that and tablets are viewed in the same way PCs are then people would expect their work device to be provided by the company - they might have one themselves at home that was sexier, more fun and easier to use but the one for the daily grind would be a managed box bought by your employer - then you could see Apple's market share moving nearer the Mac level.

Apple has a head start and a quality bit of hardware but they don't have management and support services and that may yet matter in terms of who sells the big numbers.

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So your saying...

...if the third best device can develop enterprise integration tools quicker than the market leader with the best OS and user experience, who also has a 60 billion dollar cash pile, and is already in the market improving their enterprise integration tools, HP might stand a chance.

Plausible, if challenging. But I know who I'm betting on.

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Jobs Horns

You might be right..

You might be right.. one thing that corporates hate is the lack of manageability for these damned things, so proper management tools might be attractive. Of course, it will also be fun forcing a WebOS device on an Apple fanboi just for teh lulz.

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Manageability...

in the Enterprise space is already a pretty significant issue for everything other than Blackberry - at least for my customers. We have a few environments that allow ActiveSync capable devices (read: WinMob, iOS, Android) using just the ActiveSync controls... but more typically they are looking to 3rd party solutions like Good to provide RIM-style security and manageability. *IF* HP can provide equivalent functionality to Good and RIM at a reasonable cost - or no cost - for WebOS then they could get good traction assuming the rest of the equation (cost per device, functionality/quality of the device, etc) is in the ballpark of the competition.

Of course, if they price that management pack equivalent to a Good (or any of the other similar products in this space) then there is really no advantage to going WebOS as you could just as easily go with an Android or iPad device.

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This is who Steve Jobs was referring to

http://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/graphics/icons/comment/fail_32.png This guy has just demonstrated to everyone that he is one of the people "who doesn't get it" that Steve Jobs refers to. If I were his boss, I'd immediately start looking for a smarter replacement.

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This guy should be on the stage!

"In the tablet world we're going to become better than number one. We call it number one plus."

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,LOL...what a comedian.

Hmmm... he was joking, wasn't he?

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Bet

Would he like to bet his job on it ? Of course, he means No 1+ by 2025...

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wheres Matt B?

HP is solid in some markets but perhaps this talking head manager needs to cut back on the happys meds. No way in hell HP will be much of player in tablets with WebOS. They are not an early entrant and they will get killed on the margins vs Android. Palm was great in 1999 but their time has come and gone and if this is the best HP can do in this space Apple has no worries.

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They even copy Palm's gravely mistake.

Palm execs and developers couldn't get it. Being successful is a global thing, not just USA. It is the opposite mistake Nokia did, they didn't care about American market.

If your app store, your devices, your community doesn't exist on some continents, developers from the continents will ignore your os/device no matter how great it is.

If you don't exist at East Europe, UK, Russia and Netherlands and spare your time making ridiculous claims instead, you could be some Elop of Nokia, smaller scale.

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Go

What is needed...

...is a universal app translator...

Take Apple/Android/WebOS apps in one end and send out a compatible app for your phone out the other. Then you can buy whatever app you want and have it run on your platform.

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Indeed.

I've worked on a number of different mobile "platforms" over the last couple of years and they've all been slightly different implementations of html, javascript and css platforms. They're all just different enough that you can't seamlessly port between platforms though. Palm is another of these, though it's cleverly moving from one html/javascript/css framework to a new one for the pad style device.... (presumably because some people were becoming familiar with the old framework).

However, the real point of this is that the "universal app translator" you want is already here, it's using these technologies over the web. Apps like this can run on all the major (and not so major) platforms. Device speeds these days mean you can achieve an attractive and functional ui with this tech. Difficult to get people to pay for access though, unfortunately....

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I think I'll call it...

"Java", and do away with the translation altogether. What could possibly go wrong?

Oh wait...

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