"Bellard believes his emulator could be used for client-side cryptographic processing. Or – if you're looking for a more serious pursuit – he also points out it could eventually let you play old DOS games."
A wag on another comment thread pointed out that if only someone could get Apache to run on it, you could have penguins all the way down...
Is it just me...
or do you also think that there would be a lot of people interested in this and thinking of Chrome OS?
I wonder if you could get Google to implode in a puff of logic?
Google: You can't run anything on Chrome OS, it's all in the browser
Nah, Chrome's already covered: Native Code plugin FTW!
The real question
Will it run Emacs... on the iPhone? Muwahahahahahahaha!!!
Apparently not so much yet, the iPhone browser won't run it, instead the emulator puts up a "Browser not supported" message.
I got it running in Firefox on my N900 though :)
And I had it running in Firefox on my Galaxy S!
@David Hicks, absurdity
The language is only going to get faster on Androids, Blackberries, etc. and as it does so the opportunities for things like this to become more serious and more capable will only increase.
No no no!
Will it allow me to run the game Syndicate in a browser!
don't know about emacs
That would be cool, but I've tried it and it runs vi just fine. I've also got the thing to compile a C program (tcc command) and to execute an ash shell script. It doesn't have any networking or ability to upload/download any files - so it's a closed world inside the emulation currently.
The iPhone supports the latest HTML 5 database stuff, for local persistent store, as does Android. Blackberry doesn't.
To my knowledge, Jobs has spoken out publicly only against Flash. The arguments he made that it offers a very poor user experience on mobile have been backed up by every objective review I've seen of the Android client. I doubt I'm alone in having decided never to download the thing onto my Android phone. His conclusions — to ban Flash from his platform — betray his control tendencies but the initial observations were valid.
History has also shown Apple to be a beneficial contributor to the web ecosystem, being the driving force behind the vast majority of WebKit development (it was forked from KHTML when that project was four years old, which was nine years ago) and the originator of the canvas element and 2d/3d CSS transforms amongst others. As far as I can think, they've done nothing at any time to hurt the development and propagation web standards.
@ bazza Re: "iP*d storage
I wonder if it would work with one of the battery-powered Seagate drives for iP*d that the Reg reported on on Monday... http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/16/seagate_goflex_satellite/
Choc Chip or Ginger Nut?
Giganto-cookies? Base64 encoding?
Oh yes I'm that perverse.
Perverse... or evil
<Insert evil laughter here>
for he's a jolly good fellow!
Anyone for Digger?! :D
Can you run Wine on it?
I'll get my coat
How about running a VM on it!
@"Can you run Wine on it?"
If we run a VM on it, we can install any OS on it we like! :)
So for example, how about ...
With a VM, the possibilities are endless :)
I heard you like teh internets so we put a browser in a VM in your browser so you can browse while you browse
I know he explains why he did this, but... WHY???
To gain Respect from the sort of person who doesn't need to ask why.
I take landscape and abstract photos purely for my own amusement, I share them on a website but I mainly take them to exercise the other half of my brain. I don't expect anyone to like them, I'm not really that bothered what people think of them.
Sometimes it's fun to do something for no other purpose that your own enjoyment. It's not a crime to be completely unproductive sometimes, it's very good for the soul and helps keep the old noggin on balance.
I work with two or three people who spend their entire lives worrying about work, their house and their financial portfolio and nothing else. They get so stressed about the smallest things upsetting any of these three subjects. Seems like the quickest way to the graveyard to me, but there you go.
It'd be a boring world if we all liked the same thing I suppose.
For approximately the same reason why people climb mountains, swim large bodies of water, walk trails of several hundred kilometres or visit unexplored or inaccessible places.
Mine's the one with the Lofty Wiseman baccy tin survival kit in the pocket and the compass on the zip puller .....
Abomination i say to thee!
Emulation must be only of a OS into a onother OS, not a OS inside a "machine" with a script language running on a browser!!! it is madness!!! MADNESS!
Fire because you must all burn at the stake...
Didn't St Alan prove that any programmable could be made to emulate any other?
(could != should)
"I did it just for fun"
Someone buy that man a beer! Anything, just to get him out of the house...
Why? The mind boggles ...
You have an OS that runs a modern browser that runs a glorified scripting language ... and then you re-implement that OS on top of that scripting language?
Yeah, I grok that the browser & scripting language run on other OSes ... but somehow this seems to me to be a bit of "look at MEEEEEEE!" techie masturbation, with no actual useful RealWorld[tm] use.
I could be wrong. It's been known to happen.
He didn't do it for you
He didn't write it for you, and surely your inability to find a RealWorld[tm] use is a problem with your own RealWorld[tm] or your own imagination.
The author said he wrote it for fun. I find that to be a good enough RealWorld[tm] application - for the one having the fun, that is.
I had fun with it too.
"Why did you climb the mountain?" "Because it was there"
Not everything is done because it is useful. Somethings are done just because someone looked and said "I wonder...", others are done because someone was bored, some because it looked interesting.
'a bit of "look at MEEEEEEE!"'
would you say that it's similar in that way to endless posts bragging about horse ranches, wineries, yachts, Cadillacs and Rolls Royce cars, implausible numbers of degrees, SAIL, Berkeley/Stanford (whichever it was, probably both), Slackware, ..?
FB's list of achievements is real and seems to suggest that attention-seeking is not his goal.
"to each his own", I suppose..
Yo Dawg we heard you like OSs so we put an OS in your browser on your os so you can use the OS in your browser while its running on your OS
"... and then you re-implement that OS on top of that scripting language?"
No, then you implement some virtual hardware capable of running the original implementation of that OS. The end result may currently appear the same - OS running within a browser, woo - but whereas re-implementing the OS would have only ever given us the ability to run that OS within the browser, implementing a virtual PC instead gives us the potential (within the restrictions of the virtual hardware) to do other stuff too.
It's worth noting that the emulator isn't emulating the OS; it's emulating the hardware which the OS runs on. Which makes it a lot more useful.
It's also worth noting that while it's probably the most ambitious JS-emulator to date, this is far from the first - there was a ZX Spectrum emulator released back in 2008...
I wish IBM would hire talent like him and resurrect Lotus SmartSuite
and bring it up to date instead of that current offering that IBM is pushing.
It's very impressive that he did this just for fun. It's amazing what determined developers can do when they want. Too bad big companies don't always think about the user this way.
So if you virtually turned off the wrong PC within your VM would that cause a blackhole that sucked in the entire planet? lol
@AC 11:45 (and a few point to ponder for the rest of youse ...)
Not bragging. Illustrating, to make a point.
Please note that I stated quite plainly that I do not own Cadillacs, nor Rolls Royces. Please read for comprehension.
FB's name is attached to his useless (although amusing) hack. It's a good hack, I'll go there ... along the lines of SCO's UNIX port to the 8088. But unlike the original SCO, FB seems to be calling attention to himself; showboating, if you will.
Me? Not so much. I'm not exactly putting my name out there, now am I?
This hack is *roughly* equivalent to writing an 8088 emulator in Qbasic, and then running MSDOS 3.0 on it under MSDOS 5.0 on a 386sx16 ... Looking at it that way, it's kinda pointless, no? FB could do a lot more good working on video & wireless drivers instead ...
Looking forward to many more "thumbs down" :-)
 If you don't know what I mean by "SCO Xenix", kindly don't bother replying. Ta.
no idea what you mean by "SCO Xenix"
You consider this work to be kinda pointless? He did it for fun. If you don't think having fun can be a valid reason for doing something then your life must be a bundle of laughs......
it has a lot of Potential aplications.
With it you could theoretically test any program for one OS AND architecture on top of another.
Heck you could automatize testing by running a program with deferent virtual peripherals.
Imagine if a game companies could taste their games on any imaginable hardware configuration without having to actually buy and set the irons.
A small farm of computers could easily reproduce the performance of a high end machine.
"With it you could theoretically test any program for one OS AND architecture on top of another."
I've been doing this with VMs on raw hardware for a couple decades ... without an additional browser & scripting language and hardware emulation & OS & program getting in the way.
Sometime KISS just makes sense ...
"I'm confused by your definition of hack."
"This isn't roughly equivalent to doing anything in Qbasic."
Basic was the javascipt of the late '70s, 80s & early '90s.
"So this actually enables 486 emulation just about anywhere."
I had VM hardware machines "just about anywhere" on bare hardware a couple decades ago, WITHOUT the need of an additional OS, browser, scripting language, and hardware emulator to run the OS and software.
"Fun" is a matter of perspective. KISS is an engineering principle I adhere to ...
yeah, that's one definition, a brief scout round the interwebs reveals quite a few others, but I take you point.
"Basic was the javascipt of the late '70s, 80s & early '90s"
"I had VM hardware machines "just about anywhere" on bare hardware a couple decades ago, WITHOUT the need of an additional OS, browser, scripting language, and hardware emulator to run the OS and software"
These days most pcs have an os, browser and scripting language. So running this would be much less effort than setting up the bare hardware and virtual machines you mention. So maybe keeping it simple from a client perspective is also valuable?
It's got emacs, vi and a compiler. This could actually be useful. It's a shame there is no permanent storage or working network stack.
Also, you can get a cheap thrill by "rm -rf /"ing and watching the poor thing eat itself.
"Also, you can get a cheap thrill by "rm -rf /"ing and watching the poor thing eat itself."
shame there is no permanent storage
You aren't one of those strange people that turns their computer off, are you?
Woohoo infinite recursion!
Just load Linux, start Firefox, load Linux-in-browser, start Firefox etc etc.
I thought all nerds did that? I certainly do.
"Just load Linux, start Firefox, load Linux-in-browser, start Firefox etc etc..."
Ouch. My head just exploded.
And, run VirtualBox in that infinite recursion
And add enhanced, faster networking than the UART...
Add RAM, strong graphics, super CPU... this might make for one hell of a honey net add-on... Imagine setting up and tearing down virtual nets in a honeynet that -- if desired -- traverses the Net to other honey nets.
that reminds me..
.. of being 16 years old, in my first job and noticing that you could shell to a cpm command prompt from inside a cpm command prompt. Oh the hilarity of watching people type "quit" (or was it "exit") only to see the command prompt appear again. Some things never grow old.....
How many vms can dance on the head of a pin?
Or of course how many of vms are required till the app runs a vista speed?
Tux, cause i'm still amused at what MS stuff, deep down, bodged recursion.
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