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The Sun has thrown its weight behind an attempt to ID everyone who was at Wembley for Saturday's FA Cup Final, and who were captured in an impressive 360° hi-res picture as they cheered on Manchester City and Stoke City. The Sun's 360 degree view of Wembley. Pic: Jeffrey Martin, 360Cities.net The paper says the "largest sized …

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Fan: "**sniff** Sorry Boss, *cough* *splutter* I'm sick.... Can't make it today..."

Boss: Oh, really.......

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Beat me too it

I remember a story of someone who said they were too ill to work, unfortunately, the local rag ran a face in the crowd comp and there they were, ringed at the game..

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Headmaster

This must be illegal...

...there are pictures of children in there.

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Anonymous Coward

Nope...

As long as the venue didn't have a no photography rule then there is no law broken.

But they will be safe because they cannot be tagged, you have to be over 18 to be on facebook don't you....

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Coat

incorrect....

the venue could quite easy have a no photography rule, but if the venue authorised the photo then all is perfectly legal and above board.

Even If they did not have authorisation from the venue to take photos, the only thing they could do is ask the photographer to leave.

the only issue would be if they wanted to use the picture for commercial purposes. they may need (but not essential) a release form completing for each of the people featured in the picture, but I don't believe it it necessary for a crowd of people.

and its 13 to have a facebook account... although a large % of under 13's have a account !!

Mines the one with the camera in the pocket.

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Legal

Publishing the picture is almost certainly legal. What might be legally questionable is the idea of giving the identity of somebody in that picture without their permission.

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WTF?

reply

Anonymous Coward.......What are you on about? It is not illegal to take pictures of children.

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Big Brother

Big Brother icon obligatory

Anyone else slightly spooked by this, and where this could - potentially - go?

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Well,

Since I am unlikely ever to go to a football match except as dissosciated atoms long after my death, probably not.

Would they do this for a performance of Lohengrin ? I might be in bother then.

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no

no not really, "company takes photograph of crowd at public event" hardly shocking, mildly interesting to see people at a single moment in time. Could be worrying if you decided to throw a sickie and your company has people that will stare at these kinds of things, but then again, that's your own fault.

CCTV is already everywhere, bank transactions are easily funnelled through intelligence services systems, ECRB checks are common place, our internet connections will soon be funnelled through intelligence services (and the police will use it for fishing and lobby groups will use it to justify their view of the world.)

So am I worried about half decent photos of my ugly mug going into a sex shop one day? No, not really. Personally most normal people are entertained when they find a picture of themselves doing something on TV, in a DVD or on a website. It means you can go "hey look, there's me!!" something I and my friends often do on concert DVDs we get from Japan, "Hey that's my arm, isn't that You-Ann? olol you can hear me calling! Hey look it's your santa hat! Hey did you see the report about MM, you can see us as clear as day at the front of the crowd." "get in there"

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Pirate

Can't be a problem, as

this paper is not part of the empire that hacks the phones of anyone with a face.

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Big Brother

Big brother

"Anyone else slightly spooked by this, and where this could - potentially - go?"

Yep, big time.

Oh look here's a photograph of thousands and thousands of people, please identify yourself, your friends and tell us what your facebook accounts are pls k thnks.

Oh, don't bother with your address, we can trace that from the facebook ip logs.

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I wonder

how many were on a sickie lol

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It was a Saturday.

letters

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@Sir Cosmo Bonsor

That fact that you don't work on saturday doesn't mean everybody gets saturday off.

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JDX
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Can you feed it to Google?

Google's picasa has face-recognition already; upload your photos and it identifies you and your friends. I wonder if it can be used to find your mates in this, since there's a good chance someone you know was there and it'd be nerdily fun to find them.

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Paris Hilton

can google actually eat it?

JDX> Google's picasa has face-recognition already; upload your photos and it identifies

JDX> you and your friends.

ummm... doesn't have to have a known picture of you already for it to work? ;)

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Anonymous Coward

Actually...

- taking photos of children is illegal

- taking photos of *anything* in London is illegal

So this fails on both counts.

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FAIL

nope

Fail

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no law against taking pics of children

As odd as it may seem, taking pictures of children is not at all illegal.

I could walk down the street , see your children and take their pictures and am fully entitled to do so should I wish.

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Wrong and Wrong

But that doesn't mean the police know that.

There is no problem with taking photos of children (so long as it's "innocent") in a public place or in a venue you own, or even technically at a school play (but the school are free to eject you - however neither they or the police can demand that you delete your photos or anything else). People (including officers) who think otherwise are wrong. You just might have to spend an afternoon in your local nick to prove it.

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Boffin

I think some people...

... need to check the settings on their irony detectors...

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Coat

wrong...

taking photographs of children is NOT illegal.

I can sit outside the local playground snapping away photos of children all day if I want. Well, until a weekend bobby appears on the scene, quoting anti terror laws and whatever because somebody called the police.

and taking photos in London is not illegal ether. You can be asked not to under curtain anti terror laws if a particular area has been declared as under threat, but even then, you can argue that you are only taking photos the same as what goggle street view cameras have already done.

mines the one with the photographers rights card in the pocket to show the over zealous boys in blue if they want to give me hassle for street photography.

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LPF

@Actually

Taking photos of someone in a public place is not illegal , so you fail on both counts, plus an extra FAIL at life, just because you tried to be a smart arse and got it worng lol

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Happy

@@Actually

Unless your post is a sarcasm fail?

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Joke

"Fail" wars...

I FAIL the above FAIL war...:-)

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Joke

I fail you...

...to infinitiy. Plus one.

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Joke

I can top that :)

10 PRINT "Fail to the power of"

20 PRINT "infinity to the power of"

30 GOTO 20

:)

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Boffin

BASIC? Yuck...

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movl $message1,%ecx

movl $len1,%edx

movl $4,%eax

int $0x80

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movl $message2,%ecx

movl $len2,%edx

movl $4,%eax

int $0x80

jmp looppie1

.data

message1:

.ascii "Fail to the power of"

len1 = . - message1

message2:

.ascii " infinity to the power of"

len2 = . - message2

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Pint

Two more languages...

class FailRecursion{

public static void main (String args[]){

System.out.print("Fail to the power of ");

while (true) {

System.out.print("infinity to the power of ");

}

}

}

#!/bin/bash

echo Fail to the power of

while true; do

echo infinity to the power of

done

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Anonymous Coward

Not quite public

A football stadium is not quite public. It's private property where the public are allowed to go. Just like shopping centres. They can and do impose their own conditions such as no photography and it's perfectly legal - usually stupid though.

So Wembley can allow photography and it's because it's a place where the public are allowed it's also legal to pictures of anyone without needing to hide their faces. Though everyone else (other gigapixel pictures, streetview, et al) do because everyone is scared about the privacy aspect - which is usually bunkum anyway.

Why is everyone scared of appearing on streetview but happy to have millions of CCTV cameras everywhere spying on you?

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Anonymous Coward

CCTV

Who ever said we were happy about that?

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Anonymous Coward

Expectation

Even if you are in an ostensibly private place it doesn't follow that you have an expectation of privacy in law. In the case of Wembley stadium on cup final day it is clear that you would have no expectation of privacy since the place would be crawling with TV cameras and press photographers.

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FAIL

Gigapan

How much longer will people be touting bog standard Gigapans that anyone can make as some amazing technological breakthrough?

http://gigapan.org/

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Alien

Sir

Hmm, prime examples of British manhood I'm sure.

Is it me or do they all look like mutants? Perhaps I'm the alien.

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What are you talking about?

They all look like well-educated, open minded, pragmatic types to me.

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Joke

You forgot...

..rational, objective and athletic too.

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Anonymous Coward

in answer to the above

the pic in the article? They are the stoke fans....... anon for geographical reasons.

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Happy

Post your own message

Where's The Stig?

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Alternatively...

Find someone with horizontal red / white stripes :)

Or, as these gigapan makers often hide 'eggs' in their pictures, it wouldn't surprise me if an alien or other non-human lifeform has been digitally added to the crowd...

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@ Sir Runcible

Dear Sir

I believe that is the general standard for supporters of Association Football. It appears the EDL did not have an event on that Saturday.

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Next challenge

Once we know the names, we could calculate the total IQ. I wonder if it would get into treble figures?

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Re Next challenge

Robert, are you aware of the Crowd IQ Phenomenon? People in crowds try to adapt their IQs in order to mingle. Given that it's generally much easier to adapt to a lower IQ, the crowd's average IQ settles around the lowest individual IQ of the attendees. At best.

When two individuals both with the same IQ do not get on very well with each other they tend to lower their IQs. The larger the group and the higher its drive to homogeneity, the lower will be the resulting IQ of each individual, which is roughly the same as the average IQ of the crowd. It is called the lowest common denominator of IQ.

This also answers your question: you only need the IQ of the numptiest fan and this gives you an indicator for the maximum possible IQ of the crowd - not very likely a triple-digit figure.

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Get your nose out the air

Such nauseating snobbery.

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Doc...

Credit to Roberto Mancini (MC Manager) for recreating 'Back to the Future'......zoom in on the Man City bench and he can clearly be seen standing by his seat and also gesturing on the touchline at the same time......great scott!!!

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JDX
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As odd as it may seem, taking pictures of children is not at all illegal

Why is that odd? This obsession with kiddie-fiddlers is OTT.

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Big Brother

Are you new?

El Reg has been saying that about TPTB for ages...

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Anonymous Coward

should be quite easy......

Gather all the photos repeat offenders from all the police forces, job done!

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Anonymous Coward

I must admit

that this appears slightly short-sighted for the people who point themselves out to the world.

I can imagine the police just waiting for those awkward types who persistently cause trouble but have not been identified yet to flag themselves on this, just so they (the police) can go and beat down their (the self-identified intellectually challenged football fan's) door.

Or maybe I'm a bit paranoid!

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Hairy

Looks like they share enough hair between them for one breezy armpit.

Strange how the closeup seems to embody the stereotype of a football fan.

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