The revelation that US commandos who stormed Osama bin Laden's Pakistan bolthole unearthed a "massive smut stash" didn't much surprise those who'd been expecting news that the terrorist wasn't quite the paragon of Islamic virtue he claimed to be. Of course, the "extensive" collection of "modern, electronically recorded video" …
I imagine it was pretty explicit stuff. FAces uncovered and everything.
Get a clue
I thought everyone knew that porn was the best medium for steganography. What the heck else don't they teach the spooks these days?
Hell, it doesn't have to be too sophisticated.
Even if the text were simply composited in clear, on top of the carrier image,
almost 50% of the population still wouldn't even see it... ;-)
Gorilla Icon because... what do you mean you can't see the gorilla?
My fillings... umm, FEELINGS, exactly...
Besides using porn as steganography, having a huge stockpile means a huge array of salt or seed with which to form a major bugger of a crypto key.
Moreover, using porn as steg means turning ON as well as turning OFF analysts and ANALists who will be distracted or incensed (or, if you will, end-sensend) at getting this stuff all over their hands.
Imagine seeding a key with cuts and pastes as well as multidimensional overlays of sorts to form a "spherical key", if you will. Why should a key be thought of as "flat" when it can be an enter-active sort of key that is "live" rather than "static"?
To cull the secrets out of a live sphere, one would have to be a quantumly-esteemed and cunning linguist...
It only counts
as his stash if it was found under a hedge.
I agree with Prof Rod T Long....
I dont think anyone but the most fundie of fundie bombers thinks Bin-Laden is a paragon of virtue (although his uncanny resemblance to Jesus wont help things in a few thousand years) but I also have no reason at all to believe any spin that the US Govt produces.
Either side could be correct and as it doesnt matter to me, I dont care.
Their idiots (those who read Al Daily Mail) are as black and white when it comes to politics as ours. Just as there are millions in this country who favour extensively bombing cities, so there are in Islamic countries. Just as those who support the BNP are idiots, but not really the most fundie of fundies, so those who support OBL are idiots but not necessarily that fundamental.
There's plenty of people advocating violence in this world. No need to panic, but it's probably best to care a little bit.
Jesus bin Laden
I like the idea that history will become so confused that in a few thousand years people will remember the Son of God as "that bearded dude who blow up some buildings and then died watching porn".
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws"
No, the real idiots are those who believe without question the propaganda spread by those who own the media, control our governments and "education". Then repeat their baseless opinions, socialising the ill-informed to conform to the "correct" prejudices.
"there are millions in this country who favour extensively bombing cities" - I don't know any such people personally. You should point the finger at our government for they are the ones repeatedly bombing foreign countries based on lies. There are few truly independent countries left in the world but those who control our governments will create a reason to attack them just like for all the others.
Follow the money, you will find it Illuminating.
AC or BNP?
"No, the real idiots are those who believe without question the propaganda spread by those who own the media"
Is some reference to the BNP faithful and whoever runs their facebook page?
"I know no such people"
In which case you should get out of your bunker and socialise with people, preferably those who don't hold the same world-view and don't confirm your own biases ad nauseam.
Follow the money? You don't know the half of it.
Preaching to the choir
Announcing it can ironically only *hurt* the US cause in this instance. Any Bin Laden supporters or sympathisers will have a deep mistrust of the US government and so not believe this - there are unlikely to be any fence-sitters ready to sway.
But it will cause people in the "Bin Laden: bad" camp to stop believing what the US government states.
So best case, everyone believes what they already believed. Worst case, everybody believes what they already believed, but some of them now distrust the US.
"But it will cause people in the "Bin Laden: bad" camp to stop believing what the US government states".
*I* don't believe what the US government says. Or the UK government. Have you ever heard of Claud Cockburn?
This one time, at Bad Camp...
Where's the flute icon?
I'd have been amazed if they *hadn't* found porn ...
not that I know the first thing about OBL (or care as much). But it strikes me as curious that in the UK, whenever they catch a "terrorist" it's not long before we hear about "indecent images were found on computers removed" ...
Seems to be a standard smear tactic.
@"Seems to be a standard smear tactic."
Only because they probably thought they couldn't get people to believe that it was actually kiddy porn...
Oh my god is this still going on..
Getover it people, the seals got him and nicked his pron stash lol
My god your aacting as if the saudies have never know or lusted after women , get a grip ! lol
to fit perps up with loads of porn so whats the problem?
We don't know
A naughty stash ? We don't know, and never will. However, it is odd for the CIA to feel that a mass murderer's reputation needs lowering. If you have already incinerated 3000 civilians in a premeditated act, looking at naught pics hardly makes you a worse person. And his followers, though they may be gullible, are unlikely to believe what the CIA says anyway.
Better for the West to give a good example to Bin Laden's followers by improving our own behaviour.
"However, it is odd for the CIA to feel that a mass murderer's reputation needs lowering".
A murderer is a criminal - someone who kills a fellow citizen, contrary to the criminal law. However the US government itself has declared Bin Laden and his crew "enemy combatants", and denied them the rights guaranteed to criminals by the USA's own laws.
It follows that 9/11 was NOT a crime but an act of war. And its perpetrators were not murderers but enemies of the USA. As such, 9/11 was pretty small potatoes compared to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the bombing of hundreds of different Axis cities during WW2, or the killing of 3 million people in South East Asia, or the killing of over 1 million people in Iraq. For none of which American rulers or voters apparently feel the slightest responsibility or guilt.
...to the (few) survivoirs of the Burma Railway, Changi Jail, Belsen, Sachsenhausen, Dachau, Sobibor, and many other instances too numerous to recall.
Or do you believe, like the Grauniad, that if we did it - it's automatically wrong & we should shroud ourselves in sackcloth & ashes?
"...Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the bombing of hundreds of different Axis cities during WW2, or the killing of 3 million people in South East Asia, or the killing of over 1 million people in Iraq."
Well, I don't particularly admire Americans for any of the above, but given the choice, I'd rather be under American rule than Nazi Germany's, Japanese or Arab for that matter. This from a Polish woman who does not bow and likes to flaunt occasionally without being stoned for it.
@ Katie Scarlett
Katie, my point was that the Americans themselves declared that Al Qaeda are not criminals. Therefore 9/11 was an act of war, not a crime. The examples of American violence I cited were merely intended to remind everyone that, in war, massive violence is the norm. Compared to Hiroshima, Dresden, or even Fallujah, 9/11 was a relatively small episode of violence in which "not many" (relatively speaking) were killed.
The only reason I chose American military violence was that it's the Americans who try to have their cake and eat it by saying Al Qaeda are criminals one moment, and not the next - whichever suits their current purpose best.
I bet the CIA operatives are busy analysing those videos in miniute detail, maybe even rewatching them several times to make sure they didnt miss anything
So, the anal (or banal) ANALYSTS will be compiling a list of anamorphic and explicit details?
and thus the lesson of aesop may be realised
governments who are found to have lied in the past to further their agenda's have all credibility removed, especially when it comes to an issue which has an intention of polarising support for Bin Laden.
I have to mimic the professors comments. While I have no qualms believing that both parties are propaganda merchants, this story is the most extreme and damaging against the Al Qaeda leader that I am automatically suspicious.
We'll know in about 50 years after countless investigations and potential de-classification of government documents.
Being caught with porn might be less of a problem, than being caught with "terrorist" material.
So using steganography to hide the "other" material inside the porn makes sense, and allows for "educational" viewing of the material ...
Is that dinosaur porn?
One mass murderer down...
..., now if they could take down W.
Said it before...
... and I'll probably bore people to death by repeatedly saying it again.
It's never so much the information itself that's interesting, but rather who's leaking it, why they're leaking it, and much more importantly why they're leaking it *right now*.
The tougher question
'What man's house could you raid and NOT find a porn stash?'
You can't just claim no one would ever find a porn stash at your house. You have to share your method of keeping it hidden.
Best form of hiding, me old Viking lad - not having any there in the first place.
Not something that particularly appeals to me - I love a good dinner, but pics of others eating don't do much for me, nor do pics/viddies of sumptous repasts.
I'm not prudish or offended by it, merely uninterested personally.
Still, as the froggies say "One man's fish is another man's poisson"...
Now Beer, that's a different matter...
Lockable desk at work?
Or are you a woman?
Beer drinker - that explains it...It has been proved that wine drinker are more likely to buy smutty magazines
@ are you a woman
I know women who have quite an extensive collection. Movies mainly, not still pictures.
'....which may have been used to carry "subliminal messages".'
I take my hat off to the CIA lad who came up with *that* one to justify him and his mates sitting in a dark room watching the whole lot on Company time.....
Sheer genius. Wish I'd thought of it.
I find the porn I watch often contains a subliminal message
It says: "Touch your naughty bits. Go on."
I suspect the reporting of "subliminal messages" has more to do with the gutter press misunderstanding the concept of steganography, that some comedy, backwards masked nonsense.
Some CIA type probably mentioned that they were checking to see if there are any "hidden messages" embedded in the images - gutter press hears "subliminal messages" and runs with bollocks headline.
I have to agree, this sounds like propaganda to me. Pure and simple. However, maybe they were wrong about Mr not bin getting laiden being completely off the grid and all this smut was just the results of pop up ads or malware?
@ Jim Boom
Mr "not bin gettin laiden" had several wives, and was being attended to at the time of his death by one of the youngest.
In fact, she accompanied him into the afterlife. I wonder how the "72 virgins" program handles things if you show up with your wife.
Shooting fish in a barrel...
Get the CIA to somehow put some twitters about that it's about to reveal the identities of muslim ter'rists who have been shagging hookers, camels, goats, young boys, etc.
Then wait for the fuc*kers to take out 'super-injunctions'. Stamp all over Blighty's laws in the interest of National Security, and get their names and ID's.
Piece of piss.
And in related news ...
The only reason we have been able to find for the reporting of "Bin Laden's porn stash: Too good to be true?" isn't factual evidence, a conspiracy theory, or even the repeating of random internet hearsay - its just a pitifully poor effort at generating some web traffic.
I expected that it would soon be reported that OBL had porn, too much of an opportunity to miss really, I'm only shocked that it wasn't reported as being gay porn or animal porn.
Anyway US Gov, pictures or it didn't happen!
Guess the News of the World can write what they like on this one and no one will hold them accountable :(
The whole thing just seems so convenient
Killing bin laden just before the 10th anniversary and then finding lots of material that discredits his character and finding lots of usb sticks with info that backs up everything the U.S government has ever said about the war on terror.
Except sorry, the rest of the world isn't allowed to verify any of this.
How very convenient this whole thing is.
All you guys out there ...
Ask yourselves ... Is there now, or has there ever been, Pr0n on your computer?
Ipso facto ... I still think it's tacky to reveal it. If it actually existed. Which we'll never know.
Agree with Prof Long
with a caveat - we know for certain the US government (like most others) lies, we don't know for certain Bin Laden was a hypocrite, as we only have a proven liar's word for it.
Al Queda porn?
I'd have thought that in this context 'porn' would be copies of "Guns & Ammo".
Ye title goeth here
"Burka Babes with Bazookas"