Our editor Joe Fay usually keeps a pretty low profile, but earlier this week he stuck his resolutely brunette bonce* above the parapet with this piece about a shouty Steve Jobs and MobileMe. One carrot top was prompted to protest: Joe, I am curious why you chose "like a red headed stepchild" as a description for Apples feeling …
Red haired racism?
Since when has Ginger-baiting been on a par with racism?
Is it now race, caste creed and hair colour which must be held apart from all comment?
Formerly ginger, now grey. A silver surfer, part of the grey vote, etc, etc. Not offended by that, either. I'm also quite short. Should I be deeply offended by any reference to that, too?
Although for those who are ginger and needy, it must be nice to have something to blame their social inadequacy on...
Imagine being related to Steve Jobs.
"Hey guys I hope you don't mind if I bum some more vital organs off you, it's been a madhouse at work recently"
Just grow another liver...
...not that big of a deal.
Taking a kidney. Not a big deal.
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Celtic peoples are as likely to have bladk hair as red, and reed is not uniquely celtic. All this crap about racism is gettingm silly now.
Completely non-racist technical comment
The gene for red hair is more common amongst Celts than other peoples. It's recessive, masked if one also has the genes for black hair. It might have been unique to Celts, many millennia ago, but since then it's been spread around quite a bit.
Flame bait for racists: outbreeding is better for one's children than inbreeding.
if you dont believe it....
just look at nick griffen
(tho at least he's not ginger)
A couple of Gs an R and an E, an I and an N,
Just six little letters all jumbled together,
Have caused damage that we may never mend.
Only a ginger, can call another ginger Ginger.
Only a ginger, can call another ginger Ginger.
Seeing him perform this (on DVD) is wonderful.
The parts of the audience who know the song are carefuly watching those who don't, almost wetting themselves in anticipation. Those who don't know the song who have come to see a 'right-on' performer look on in fury until the chorus.
'Qualiteeee!' as some might say, 'pwnd' is another.
"In our modern free-spoken society
There is a word that we still hold taboo
A word with a terrible history
Of being used to abuse, oppress and subdue
Just six seemingly harmless letters
Arranged in a way that will form a word
With more power than the pieces of metal
That are forged to make swords"
as a "redhead"..
Get over it, people
these mutants, eh?
It's serious stuff.
Look at the grief Neil Lennon's getting up in Scotland for being a ginger. Poor bugger's had it all his life, but he won't dye it, no sirreee.....
Would that be a case of the fan hitting the shit?
Playing with fire
The poor sod's actually being targeted because he works for a company which shamelessly and blatantly milks the repulsive sectarianism of central Scotland for financial gain. As do Rangers, of course - without the excitement of prods vs tims both of the Old Firm would be on a par with Stenhousemuir or Raith Rovers.
While a Northern Ireland player Lennon said in an interview that he wanted to play for a united Ireland football team. Considering the difficult political process at the time over here that wasn't very smart. While playing for Celtic against Rangers Lennon got sent off, as he left the pitch he turned to the crowd and shouted "Orange bastards!" He's also been recorded signing sectarian songs. I am not in any way condoning the behaviour of this fan or anything else that's happened to Lennon, but he is well aware of the volatility of the situation yet continues to goad 'the other side'.
Ginger bashing is not racist
I'm both short and fat. People can call me short, fat or short and fat. It's an observation based on my physical appearance and people might choose to make such observations in an attempt to insult me or make humour. But I AM short and I AM fat. Being short or fat is not specific to a race of people and so is not covered by the UK racism laws. Do I give a shit? Hell no. Do you want me to wear a t-shirt with something like "Who ate all the pies?" on it? I couldn't care less.
These ginger-tops need to get over it.
Re: Ginger bashing is not racist
Still not very nice though, is it? Just because you can do something or say something without censure doesn't mean you should. Personally I try to live by "If in doubt, don't be a cunt."
Re: Re: Ginger bashing is not racist
Having said that, massive oversensitivity is also a damaging thing and often insulting to people who really do face prejudice and abuse. Also, this is a snarky bit of Friday bollocks and we would all do well not to take it very seriously.
Yeah, yeah whatever
Personally not a red head but my son is - the bullying was so bad he walks to school and won't get on the bus and of course the school did f-all. You say this isn't prejudice? If you say so.
That's why I get irritated, I'm not hypersensitive - just don't like bullies or normalising bullying. Of course, with a name like Fish I used to get it all through school anyway. So maybe my hypersensitivity comes from disliking bullying and so on?
I left school with a broken nose and 8 O levels in the 70's - again this mustn't count as abuse in your lexicon.
That's why I don't like it - I don't like this kind of crap being thought of as acceptable because of where it can lead. I stand up to it now, even when it's uncomfortable.
I love you. (unless you're gin... actually lets just not even joke eh?)
In all seriousness, it's Friday of the longest week in the universe, can we please discuss where the line ends and we start being offensive? Particularly since my office hasn't (yet) come round to the idea of going to the pub on a Friday. I'm all ears.
You have something against cunts?
Why would you not want to be a cunt? Do you have a particular bias against them? Should all women be ashamed that they have them? Just asking.
You might be interested to read up on the etymology of the word 'cunt', it's orignal meaning being roughly akin to 'strong willed woman', and being a term of respect, not of abuse. Of course, like many words, its meaning has drifted somewhat over the years, and by the 18th century, it had taken on quite a different meaning.
There was quite a good programme (I think on BBC2) a few years ago about the interesting etymology of some common words, this was one of them, so I'm afraid I can't quote you any primary sources for this...
It's unfortunate that those who define what is racist also define a list of alternative groups who may be abused with impunity. Groups on the list are either selected arbitarily, or contain people they don't like. The more "abusable" groups you are a member of, the more annnoying it is. Unfortunately, Welsh and redheads both fall into this category. Personally I think you should be nice to everyone.
All kids get bullied to greater or lesser extents at school, unless they're the ones doing the bullying. If it wasn't your kid having red hair, it would be something else. Kid at my brother's school wore a yellow waterproof to school early on, and forevermore couldn't live it down, "Big Yellow Teapot" etc.
But you stand up to bullying because, err, you were bullied. Else you wouldn't know how to deal with it. It's like building up resistance to colds by getting colds. Not sure what your point is really, you think if people didn't say anything about gingers your son wouldn't get bullied? Even though you were bullied for other reasons yourself? Or is it just that bullying is bad? And therefore saying someone is ginger mustn't be tolerated, because it must be bullying?
He has been known to call himself Jaffro (ginger afro) - he's now over six foot tall and hasn't been bothered in a while ;) He just looks down from on high and they shut up.
I just want people to think a bit harder about throw away comments and about how they would feel if it became a big deal that they had blue eyes or whatever - it's what's inside that counts. The odd comment is part of life and I wouldn't care one way or the other, it's the consistent bullying that I have trouble with.
And the original context was "ginger step-child" - which I think is *really* nasty. As in ginger is synonymous with unloved - not funny.
I had a row on linked in with some tosser who bullied someone out of a place I used to work a few months ago - as in "wtf would I link to you"? That was fun. He didn't understand why I wouldn't link to him - weird.
Fair play, I misunderstood where you're coming from it seems. I'm not too comfortable with the implications of "ginger step-child" to be honest, though I wouldn't blink an eye at someone i don't know saying it if I had red hair. I'd just think them either an idiot, or funny, depending on context. I guess context is important ...
I'm open to correction on this (preferably by someone who has studied Old- & Middle English).
The word 'cunt' means exactly that, namely women's sexual organs. It is one of the few words that has changed very little, if not at all, since time immemorial.
Testimonies to this are various 'Gropecunt lanes' that one finds in the mediaeval quarters of places like Oxford and London.
Matthew Hunt has a piece here  on the origins of the word and it looks convincing. Of course, it is as reliable as the Web.
You're part of the problem, Mr Fish
By 'standing up' to some kids teasing another kid, what you are actually doing is singling out your kid for more teasing. You should instead teach him to tease back.
Almost everyone has physical defects of some kind or other. Here is a list for your kid to use. Repeat after me, "I may be $X, but at least I'm not $Y".
Acceptable values for $X and $Y:
a fat bastard
an ugly bastard
a short bastard
a tall bastard
a smelly bastard
a satellite ears bastard
The entire purpose of schooling is to allow children to get used to unreasonable behaviour and still cope. Waving your hands in the air and screaming "waah, its so unfair" isn't smart.
RE: Yeah, yeah whatever
Lighten up, Francis.
There was a road in London, frequented by ladies of negotiable affection, which went by the name of 'Gropecunt Lane'. Sadly it was renamed - I'd love to have been able to ask a taxi driver to take me there.
are Redhairoids more or less likely to get haemorrhoids? after all there are some which are total ass holes.
now please excuse me whilst I retreat to the nearest local beer festival.
you missed out...
3 human races?
I always thought there was only 1 human race!!
As I understand it the other designations were introductions to justify oppressing "inferior natives".
I refuse to enoble a simple forum post!
where do The hemeroids fit then?
Ah.. the one with the ointment in the pocket.... thanks
they don't really - thats why they is on the outside?
If there were only 1 race there would be no racial discrimination possible - you need 2 or more to discriminate between.
A good FoTW should include more spelling mistakes than that, I only spotted "naritives" and "carfully" - any others I missed?
They're not "redheads"
They're ginger. A redhead is a ginger woman that you want to shag.
When she turns you down or gets ugly, she becomes a ginger again.
First comment of today that made me laugh out loud. Well done sir.
CBS airs "The Mentalist - 3x21 - Like A Redheaded Stepchild" on 5/5/2011
Joe puts ginger baiting sub title on piece 9/5/2011
No such thing as coincidence!
I married a carrot top
Vive la différence
So she has
green leafy hair?
Collective noun for redheads?
That'll be "target".......
only a ginger.... nuff said
Uncalled for comparison
>I would rather be dead then red on the head like a dick on a Dog" everybody laughed and as much as I tried to save him he was fired...
No doubt the person responsible for the firing was a dog lover.
And may I offer my heartfelt sympathy to Ms Bee who no doubt will have a job on due to all the twonks who think they have an excuse to repeat the N word