A Well Done!
..to the SEAL team that got 'im. First one's on me, lads.
Before Osama bin Laden knew that a squadron of US Navy Seals was approaching his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, their approach had been tweeted to the world by a 33-year-old IT admin, Sohaib Athar. Tweeting under the username shared by his personal blog, RealityVirtual, Athar reported on the unfolding "complicated situation …
..to the SEAL team that got 'im. First one's on me, lads.
Isn't there more than the tiniest possibility he's not dead, but is as we speak hooked up to an intravenous, sanity wrecking, dick shrivelling, truth serum in a deep dark hole where no one will ever find him. Its not as though anyone is going be able to rescue him or that there are many people in the world that would want to try or even know how to start. I for one won't be out on the streets demanding evidence due process has been followed. Why kill him if he has so much knowledge of operations around the world ?
> Given the body disappeared so quickly. Isn't there more than the tiniest possibility he's not dead, but is as we speak hooked up to an intravenous, sanity wrecking, dick shrivelling, truth serum in a deep dark hole where no one will ever find him, SuccessCase
And not only that, Navy Seals didn't ever capture him, it was a bunch of space aliens, the ones with secret underground bases in the Antarctic, the ones the Nazis used to develop anti-gravity and death rays ..
So you think you understand what the limits of the CIA's operations do you? I'm hardly asserting a wacky or outlandish conspiracy claim. Merely reflecting its not at all beyond the bounds of possibility. Asking a question does not a conspiracy theory make. Nor is it a conspiracy theory to reflect on the fact there is a possible ethical and a strong strategic argument for doing so. Indeed if a government were to deal strongly and privately with a self-confessed terrorist such as Bin Laden is, it would hardly count as a conspiracy at all; amounting to little more than a conspiracy to exercise practical discretion. But where I am asking a reasonable question and professing no knowledge, I guess you are so knowledgeable and certain I must be a fool to debate with you.
... the US have swiftly and decisively won the war on terror, in hardly any time at all, how soon are they going to be pulling out of Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Not that I'm in the slightest bit sceptical that this occurred before the 10th anniversary of 911, or that the US will use this as an excuse to simply abandon the mess they've created in the middle east.
The Middle Eastern and North African mess (TM) was created by Great Britain, France and Italy.
US and USSR only improved on a "stellar" piece of work
"The Middle Eastern and North African mess (TM) was created by Great Britain, France and Italy.
US and USSR only improved on a "stellar" piece of work"
No! The mess these countries are in today are created by *their* governments. It is wrong to try to blame GB, France, Italy for something which happened over 60 years ago. The middle east countries (and African dictatorships, which were once part of the British Empire) have had over 60 years to become the countries they are today. You need to be blaming individuals, the presidents, within these countries for the problems they have.
To quote LBJ:
"You do not wipe away the scars of centuries by saying: Now you are free to go where you want, and do as you desire, and choose the leaders you please. You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say, 'you are free to compete with all the others,' and still justly believe that you have been completely fair"
Proof is hard to come by, but there are a lot of former colonies to study.
I can't help comparing Vietnam with Zimbabwe. Vietnam was first colonised, then carpet-bombed by a super-power. Despite this (and a subsequent detour into communism) it's become a halfway decent country to live in. At least by comparison with Zimbabwe, which escaped the carpet-bombing. Then there's South Africa, which shares a very similar history with Zimbabwe, up until its first democratic election. Or Liberia, which never was a colony, and turned itself into hell anyway (or rather, a few of its people did so, with the rest powerless).
Looks to me like the influence of the former colonial power fades pretty quickly, compared to the influence of the politicians or megalomaniacs running the show afterwards.
...did anyone really notice until after the "real" news reports? If a story is broken but there is no-one to hear it, does it matter?
a lot of people are watching the twittersphere for words like 'explosion', "ground shaking", etc.
Google realtime search is a nice way for doing it.
Nobody cared. Same as usual on twitter.
The brave new world is not here and is not going to be here anytime soon until the signal to noise ratio of Twitter becomes on par with CNN.
"a lot of people are watching the twittersphere for words like 'explosion', "ground shaking", etc."
And how many million hits do they have to trawl through to find the ones that matter?
I think the OP has a fair point. None of these new media actually beat the old media to the punch, except with forensic levels of hindsight.
"just had an explosion in my pants. It was ground shaking"
Of course, this being the internet, it's odds on that these are the results that matter to you. (For a random value of 'you")
Every building with a wall or a hedge has a few markers saying 'Osama Bin Ladens compound'
One of them is clearly marked on google maps as a girls school :-)
Or it didn't happen.
Hopefully, the MayDay reconciliation for OBL's crimes will be used to bring together parties that found him to be a divisive force.
Not guaranteed, but we all have a vested interest in it...
Cynicism no. Sketicism always!
Not convinced this is going to change anything much tbh. It might be "one in the eye" for al-Qaeda but I'm sure they have equally clever types waiting in the wings.
Unfortunate that they couldn't take him alive ... that, and chucking his body overboard hours later, are sure to delight the conspiracy theorists and could even add a new dimension to his "legend".
Now's when I need that :| icon.
"Unfortunate that they couldn't take him alive..."
I don't suppose shooting him in the head ( if BBc press reports are to be belived ) helped in that respect.
They'll be telling us Elvis is dead next! How long before bin Laden is seen in a supermarket?
while over there teaching in the early 2000's. All the locals swore I looked like Bin Larden. I don't even have any Mid-east ancestry - a mix of Germanic, Norse and Celtic, so it may have been a case of "all foreigners look the same" though.
... the SEALS never killed him... Bin Laden was the final boss on the new ZA 5 man. Me & four others from the guild downed him last night. He dropped an epic turban & a rare camel mount. Would I lie?
Of course you wouldn't lie, now would you?
What a privilege to meet someone who's been on tougher training than the seals (and who's lived to tell the tale).
Lies... It's a 25-man raid only.
...just look for a massive house with no telephone lines.
Is a witness report by someone not part of the team a "leak"?
I don't think so.
Agreed, the title is misleading. I was expecting the story to be about some IT guy that was sniffing pakastani networks and picked up some official government chatter.
What wonderful news - all terrorism worldwide will presumably cease in the next twenty-four hours.
Does that mean I can carry soda pop onto a plane now? Huzzah! No more shoes-and-belts-off security theatre...
Or is the whole burial at sea thing highly suspect?
I'm sure the Global Humane Society has the chap in an orange jump suit somewhere warm and Guantanamo-ish.....and are testing their cattle prod collection on him.
If I got the news item via email, I'd say it's spam. Just too good to be true, too timely, too great for Obama Bin Laden.....
After WW-II, those who found themselves victors over the Nazis (the US and its allies), disposed of the remains of the most despicable and disreputable members of the Third Reich (after having been found guilty at the Nuremberg trials), by scattering their remains to wind and to water.
This ensured that devotees, zealots and remaining followers etc., had no martyr's shrine upon which to worship.
[Back in 1945/6, being found guilty by the Nuremberg war crimes trials was a prerequisite for a war criminal to be executed by the State. Seemingly, that's no longer the case: although the Nazis killed millions, they were afforded the proper judicial process of a trial; bin Laden who killed just thousands was deliberately and summarily executed without trial. In WWII, somewhere between 50 and 100 million people died as a direct consequence of Nazi/dictatorship aggression.]
Hard to build a shrine on open water!
"After WW-II, those who found themselves victors over the Nazis (the US and its allies), disposed of the remains of the most despicable and disreputable members of the Third Reich (after having been found guilty at the Nuremberg trials), by scattering their remains to wind and to water."
Except for the ones they let go to America without any legal due process at all during Operation Paperclip.
Surely let him have a grave somewhere with a camera pointed at it, and simply watch who comes to visit. Anyone who does is most likely a person you should be watching! There simples, weve identified all the terrorists!
What could possibly go wrong with this idea?
Is it not unreasonable to ask for proof of death?
>bin Laden who killed just thousands
Tut-tut, don't you realise 3000 US lives are worth more than 50-100 million of any other sort.
Another observation , the plaque that is often seen showing Obama 1 - Osama 0, shouldn't that read Obama 1 - Osama 3000?
If one subscribed to certain "conspiracy" or "alternate news" theories (depending on ones level of belief) then:
a) He used his CIA "get out of jail free" card and is now off to a nice new life somewhere with a decent razor. (This relies on the idea his operation was created/assisted by the CIA when he was working with the original anti-russian fighters in Afganistan.)
b) He was killed to ensure that no "unfortunate" information leaked out after his capture. (See also the rush of serious illness amongst the displaced middle east dictators. None seem too likely live to see trial and/or embarrassing memoirs.)
If one gets at all "tin hat" there are far more complex and vaguely factual options and theories too. After all that list doesn't even consider "who setup 9/11" or why did Bush reject an offer to surrender him in 2001 (if true).
I'm fairly confident that none of the Nazis arrested after the war ever wore suicide vests, or vowed death to all western devils and stuff?
....yanks thought that the president had been killed?
and under-appreciated if you ask me!
Thought? I think you mean "hoped".
A news anchor on Fox reported that the President just confirmed that "President Obama is in fact, dead"