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An Indonesian MP who was instrumental in passing the country's controversial and tough anti-pornography law fell on his sword yesterday after being caught ogling smut in parliament. The mono-monickered Arfinto, of the "staunchly Islamic" Prosperous Justice Party, was captured last Friday by a local photojournalist as he copped …

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FAIL

Dont do as i do...

do as i say - and governments the world over wonder why MPs have no credibility.

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and as i think...

I have long held the belief that all these laws about extreme porn, drawings, cartoons and the like reveals far more about the people drawing up the legislation than it does about the general public it is supposedly to protect.

I remember someone showing me the Simpsons porno cartoon years ago and having a chuckle because it was so daft. Next we have someone in power telling us that if we possess that cartoon we must go to jail and be on the sex offenders register for life because we must really be thinking about having sex with Lisa who is apparently 8 years old (and has been for the last 20 years). Er, she, IT is a cartoon, not a person of any age, and it was funny, at least to me, and I for one never had ANY thoughts, not even the tiniest hint of of a thought about underage sex until someone tried to suggest that it was child porn.

It is almost as if they have these weird thoughts themselves, that they look at cartoons and immediately imagine child porn. Hot news - the rest of us don't imagine that. It never even crossed our minds. So where did this association come from? Well it wasn't in my head, and I'd guess not in many heads of the great masses. As far as I can see the thought originated only in the heads of those framing the laws. Now who should be protected from whom?

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grabbing coat now ...

Fell on his Pork sword, presumably ....

mine's the one with tissues in the pocket

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Coffee/keyboard

beat me to it.

Damn you. :D

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Coat

"If you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

Don't quite know why that quote specifically sprang to mind...

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Is that?

Is that the new Apple iPull he's holding?

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"We need to be cautious. We need to make sure we're not violating any privacy laws."

Disgusting. Because it happens to be about a disgraced Senator, caution is required. If it was Joe Vindaloo, he'd be in prison before anyone even knew about it.

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Big Brother

Forgot the damn title again

It's in indonesia, so who knows. Generally speaking, when someone causes trouble for a senator, that someone has an accident. Joe Fandango only has to give the cops the expected bribe and he's golden, too.

Generally, laws like this are designed to be useful vehicles for fucking over inconvenient people. In Singapore they do much the same thing. In Malaysia they accuse inconvenient people of sodomy, of all things. Christ knows what they use in the Philippines... Well, bullets, basically.

It's a short, shitty, sad life.

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Anyone else read "Prosperous Justice Party"

As "Preposterous Justice Party"?

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Damn!

I hadn't even realised my mistake until I read your post! Would make for a brilliant party name, though...

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Anonymous Coward

'"staunchly Islamic" Prosperous Justice Party,'?

"staunchly Islamic" Preposterous Justice Party.,

Fixed that.

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How come...

every time a politician takes a moral stand against something, they are always found to be engaged in what they are taking a stand against. Happens every time, like Nick Clegg against nepotism last week.

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Unhappy

They all think they are every(wo)man.

They spend so much time pretending they are 'one of the electorate' that they start to assume that every perversion and corruption they are capable of must be common to the whole population.

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Coat

You may laugh...

...but apparently some of the images he was looking at were really extremely pornographic. I mean, NONE of the women had headscarves on!

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Coffee/keyboard

I did!

Thats all!

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FAIL

Howls...

... of derisive laughter, Bruce!

Yet another hypocritical politician who thinks that it's one law for them, another for everyone else.

We should introduce him to Wacky Jacqui...

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Best not introduce him to WJ...

...he'll just end up claiming he didn't actually know what pornography was this entire time.

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Hardly surprising

don't most people say what any prospective electorate, employer, policeman, judge etc. wants to hear rather than the absolute truth?

I see no problem in hiding irrelevant truths, we are all entitled to some privacy, hypocritical lying to hide very relevant truths in order to gain the trust of ones peers is something else altogether.

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Good grief...

... if he does get fired, he should be able to get a job over here as an MP - he'll fit in like a pro.

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Pint

Cautious

But we need to be cautious, because treating powerful people the same as regular people is a slippery slope, and could lead to equality.

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Without his help...

If the law is controversial, now that he has fallen from grace and resigned, is it likely to be repealed?

Or would legislators trying to do that be seen as less than staunchly Islamic... and thus targets for terrorists?

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title

I wonder if he claimed it on expenses?

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FAIL

Know thine enemy

Study VERY carefully. More....more....MOAR!

Now clean the screen please.

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hypocrisy

I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. It's the smell of... politics. And self-important busy-body puritans whose main concern is that someone, somewhere is having more fun than they are. Frankly, I hope they throw the book at him.

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Joke

they can't throw the book at him.

abusing the koran is against the law as well.

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Joke

When can I...

go on a tour of this new parliament building he was planning?

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Coat

Sorry...

so many buildings round here are like this http://www.mjtravelhk.com/public_html/images/ifc2.jpg and our soon-to-be completed new government offices will look like this http://www.urbika.com/imgs/projects/large/4454_tamar-development.jpg

It just all gets a bit much.

I blame the architects!

Yep, the one with the 10,000 tonnes of wet concrete and the reinforcing rods in the pocket please.

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hypocrisy

Isn't it amazing how often the prudes who imagine the terrible harm in anything to do with the body and sex are later found to be complete hypocrites. It couldn't possibly be that the prurience is really in their own minds, could it? There should be a criminal offence of political hypocricy.

I have a little mental list which I must make into a written one. These are what I can recall off the top of my head, there are more:

1. Senator George Foley, US ex senator - law against children and Naturism - resigned when his relations with child interns were found out.

2. Arfinto - this example

3. Wasn't there another case of a politician caught watching something similar in similar circumstances?

And then there is the related Jacqui Smith incident. Her seeking to censor the internet via the backdoor couldn't possibly be anything to do with that expenses claim could it?

Should we take seeking to deny people freedom of expression and consumption on sex and body related issues to be a symptom of a dirty mind? Is it an indicator of paedophile tendencies?

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Images of the outrage were soon...

..."splashed across the Indonesian press"?

Ironic- wasn't his original crime that he was caught as he "splashed across the Indonesian press"? Or did he view the grumble pics online?

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Laws

I think all laws should be automatically repealed after 5 years. This would mean the various parliaments would spend their life redebating and reinstating basic laws (like try not to stab your neighbour because he has the wrong colour shirt) that they would be unable to introduce the sort of terrible legislation that marks most government.

However the real truth is that the problem starts with democracy. If you give every unthinking stupid, moronic, idiotic, sun-reading, blithering idiot the vote then you get the thick t**** 'electing' the sort of stupid idiotic unpleasant power grabbing hypocritical oafs we have had in our parliament for at least the last 40 years.

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