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Look, Australia, you’ve got it all wrong. Wireless broadband is the future. It’s not just a future, it’s the genuine, authentic, sci-fi “wonders of the universe” future, complete with unicorns and no need for a National Broadband Network. And what do you do? You keep buying fixed broadband. I realise that some of you are …

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Not only are we on the ar$e end of the planet.

... but also with our heads in the sand.

I live in Australia and the constant nickle and diming everyone for every inch drives me nuts. Having moved back here from Europe I can not believe what a pathetic state internet access is here in Auz.

$42billion for a NBN when all we want is a bigger pipe overseas. Here is a news flash Aus... the internet exists elsewhere having a fibre NBN just means we will be going no where faster!

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When I moved back from urban China,

I felt much the same. Still do.

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Giving Telstra the finger

The Government of yesteryear made the big mistake of making the last-mile of Telecom Australia's monopoly part of the same company when going public, and then expecting competition to stand a chance. The NBN is a much delayed reaction to Telstra not playing fairly. They brought in the big guns (a loud-mouthed American CEO who enjoyed threats and scaremongering) and his style didn't fit in at all with the Australian psyche. He left with his tail between his legs, and a big chunk of shareholder value strapped to his back. The other Telco's didn't have the capital or market share to justify building the equivalent network, although some made a start. While I agree that the NBN shouldn't have been necessary (and equal access for all, even someone out in woop-woop, is a ridiculous goal for a country as large and city-centric as Australia - satellite and wireless definitely should win out there), I am glad that the Government didn't succumb to Telstra and give up on a fair game, and are ripping the tall poppy a new one!

Bigger international pipes are also not the solution - although there should be (and is) constant improvement.. Improved caching (of P2P protocols also) and CDNs are what we need. Some ISPs are already caching bittorrent traffic - clever packet sniffing, caching downloaded blocks, and pushing cached blocks to individual requesters is already possible - not that ISPs would admit they're working to improve the speed of probable copyrighted downloads in the current environment.

So, thumbs up for screwing over Telstra. Let's hope that a competitive playing field for all remains the goal of this network.

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Short-sighted

That's a seriously short-sighted attitude.

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Ha, because mobile internet is....

Why would you use 3G at home when you can wire up and not worry about the prohibitive costs that still anchor 3G / mobile services.

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What a load of CRAP!

I have a great ADSL2+ connection, it's quick (14 megabit), cheap and gives me a great data allowance for my money. It's always on and doesn't drop out in bad weather.

My father on the other hand has a 3G Wireless broadband connection, he pays the same amount as me, often gets stuck with a GSM signal the same speed as dial-up and gets HALF my speed when he does manage a 3G link, the signal drops completely in bad weather and gets only 1%.. YES 1%!! of the data allowance I do on my fixed line service.

So to the author of this article, you can take your opinion on the future, and your supposed facts and figures and you can put them where the sun don't shine!

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Maybe you should read the article again

Then you might feel a tad silly.

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I R O N Y

(and I don't mean made of iron)

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Satire perception fail?

I suspect the author thinks the same as you do...

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Don't shoot the messenger

Didn't quite read that all the way though did we? Missed the 'Sincerely, Malcolm Turnbull, Minister Opposition Spokesman for Communications and Broadband' bit.

The author is taking the piss, there is a tiny-weeny-ikkle bit of sacrcasm there.

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Sarcasm comprehension fail!

That is all. Paris of course...

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i think you missed the sarcasm in the article.

see title.

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Irony?

See article re: Oz literacy http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/04/australians_cannot_read_or_count/

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It's a satirical piece...

Robert, you really need to read it a little closer!

Having said that now hopefully you understand YOU are on the same side as the writer of this article I need to give you a few home truths.

1) Only a few years back 2G was paid in kb! to download 10MB cost you a considerable chunk of change. With the explosion in data limits on adsl in the last year the gap has again widened. Please remember this gap will again close.

2) Have you set up a dish on the roof for the 3G connection? (My parents who can't get ADSL get great service with 3G even when their satellite TV no longer works!) and they can't download the 3GB limit so it's cheaper for them then ADSL anyway, given all the other costs involved with ADSL.

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Oh Noes....

Seems the author has never tried wireless broadband, especially between 4pm to 9pm weekdays....

Yet again, Australia lags behind on infrastructure to actually backup these grand plans and sky-high aims.

No thanks, I'll stick to the copper....

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Erm?

I thought the article was heavily laced with sarcasm.

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Someone should fwd this to M Turnbull

Until we work out how to punch holes in the void-which-binds and make our own datasphere, mobile will always be an over-contended, expensive, second-rate service. "Up to" 14.4Mb/s (HSPA+) means nothing if 2/3 of requests time out. Give me my 4Mb/s ADSL2+ any day.

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Like us?

Maybe they, like us in the UK, can't get a 3G connection when sitting in our homes?

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Turnbull Time Machine

I live in an inner city suburb of Hobart and ASDL 2+ is "not available" in my area. Without the NBN, I'm going to be stuck with this hopeless speed (256k/64k) for the next decade. Even with the NBN I'll be waiting 2 or 3 years before the fibre gets to my door (so much for Tasmania being the first to get it).

If only the world would go back to basic HTML, tiny GIF images, no audio/video/flash, and blinking text (for dramatic effect) ... then I'd get my speed back.

Malcolm ... help us to turn back time ... or at minimum ... freeze time until Africa catches up.

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You want your broadband (Good Luck)

NBN is one of the only the policies the government has left (with any credibility). If you want your NBN you'll have to vote in this bunch of liars for another term (Notice how long stage 2 has been delayed due to regulatory reasons), and GOD knows what else they'll have buggered up by then.

ADSL 2+ is not available in Hobart, cause Tel$tra(monopoly pricing) own the only fibre (in use) across Bass Straight. Dont expect it to improve that much with the baslink fibre. The University of Tasmania's Astronomy Department will probably gobble up the most bandwidth. With $2.1Billion of investment up for grabs on the SKA(square kilometer array) project, Tassies far flung Cambridge telescope will be funded.

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I'll tell you why we don't use mobile boradband

It's because of two thieves called Telstra and Optus.

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Correct

People use landline internet connections because 3G is so expensive. And because coverage is fairly spotty.

BTW, nice username. :D

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What he said...

I am one of those subscribers forced by circumstance into 3G HSDPA "broad"band everywhere, for everything. 90 bucks a month for s-l-o-w and unreliable internet connection.

Forget the advertising puffery about speeds of "3.6 mbps" or "7.2 mbps" or "21" or even "42" mbps. Those speeds are available only in Sydney or Melbourne CBD, and only if you are sitting across the road from the mobile phone tower.

Anywhere else, you will top out at whatever the tower sends: usually, 7.2 mbps. With very high latency, and inexplicable "fades" when the DNS simply stops responding. The actual experience is about the same as a good 56 kbps dialup connection.

Yes, the "Internet, everywhere" part is nice. But decent bandwidth would be a lot nicer.

Sorry Malcom: whatever the question, HSDPA wireless is not the answer.

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Erm...

This article is surely pure sarcasm, right?

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indeed

I too was going to respond with quips about latency, gaming, weather, positional antenna in houses etc. I even needed to check to see if it was in bootnotes but no, it appears to be serious (which is worrying).

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Re: Erm

Certainly looked that way to me. Apparently others felt differently.

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At least someone noticed...

I admit, I was wondering where it was going until the line about paying thousands to download torrents to your mobile which tipped it from idiotic opinion piece into sarcasm.

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Shhh....

Don't disturb them in mid-rant.

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re: Erm...

yes, it is. Its pretty blatant. Some of the commentards above don't seem to be able to tell, though...

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Yep

I thought so too, but some people don't get it.

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+1 sarcasm. I <3 copper.

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Well done Pete 9

I'd have thought "most of you are miserly niggards who would rather buy a 60 GB per month plan on fixed networks than spend a couple of thousand running Torrents to a mobile" would have erased any doubt that remained that far down the piece. Still, you got there.

If you happen to have any clue going spare pass it on to Robert Heffernan, he appears to be without.

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@Erm...

"This article is surely pure sarcasm, right?"

It has to be. Wireless anything here is overpriced and underperforming.

When they can't get basic wired cable right, what makes you think they'll get wireless anywhere close?

I'm thinking the author has never actually BEEN to Australia, to hell with the numbers, real life are the only numbers that actually count.

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Re: @Erm...

1. Sarcasm was the intent. I thought the unicorns in the second par were a pretty broad hint.

2. I haven't so much "been to Australia" as being born here, back when there were still reds under the bed, JFK wasn't the source of conspiracy theories, and stuff like that.

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Wireless, the future ?

You mean, that radiative technology which gets me only 500kbps as soon as I move to the next room ? And 52kpbs if I go upstairs ?

You mean that publicly-accessible medium that anyone can snoop on from the street with the right hardware, and easily break into with its laughable WPA "encryption" ?

Surely you jest, hmm ? Either that or you work for Echelon.

Give me a shielded twisted pair and 8Mbps please. I'll take that over wireless any day.

Not to mention that, to listen in on my wire, you have to be physically attached to it - which is not easy to do from the street.

Oh, and in Japan they have an *average* connection speed of 60Mbps. That means that there are a lot of people with MORE than that - probably approaching Ethernet speeds. Wired connections are slated to reach the terabit per second range in the next decade or so. Wireless can drool all it wants, it'll never get there.

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context

This is apparently a clever sarcastic attack on... something. The Register is a UK site and it's perhaps optimistic to expect we readers to be up to speed on the details of Australian politics.

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context is alright, I suppose, it placed in the proper context...

I'm in the US, and probably get Australian politics confused with Canadian, but it was pretty obvious to me that the article was satirically making the point that Australians were hanging on to their hardwire "not as fast as we'd like but still better than wireless, especially when costs are compared" internet access, rather than a lemming-like rush to slower and much more expensive wireless internet.

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WTF was that drivel

Wireless my arse.

That's unless they can invent one that can penetrate everything on this god given earth without affecting the signal, and at the same time not sear the skin off our bodies.

Until then, I'll have my nice lovely wired connection please and thank you very much.

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@Pete 9

I think there's a satire perception failure at work...

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it seems many

of the readers and comnters don't understand satire.

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@Robert Heffernan

Well done for completely missing the irony. Look again for the words "spend a couple of thousand" and re-read the article.

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Re: This article is surely pure sarcasm, right?

"yet most of you are miserly niggards who would rather buy a 60 GB per month plan on fixed networks than spend a couple of thousand running Torrents to a mobile"

Yes, yes it is.

This would be an Australian response to the oppositions statements about how the NBN isn't required and that it can be delivered on wireless.

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Spot on

Anyone who clams that that any wireless technology present or future could be a replacement for fibre automatically identifies themself as someone who deserves to be summarily ignored on the subject.

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Re: Erm

I think we need a Joke Alert icon for the articles, not just the comments...

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Re: Re: Erm

Actually I think we need a "This is sarcasm, shitwits." icon for both........

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The world isn't ready for wireless yet

Wireless promises immense bandwidths at virtually no cost. The only problem is that the world isn't ready yet and still thinks in terms of network operators and network users. Once we learn that fixed position mains powered stations can also act as infrastructure, and we have the MIMO technology needed to take advantage of that, it might find a use.

Other than that, wireless broadband is still just a pipe dream. It rarely works where you need it, and when it works, it's hideously expensive.

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Wireless isn't some magic pill which solves all woes

It's a pile of shite. Inherently, you are all sharing that bandwidth, due to the shared spectrum - it simply does not scale, coverage is limited to urban areas and it generally is unstable where there are lots of users and suffers from high latency everywhere.

Britain has one of the best 3G networks. Use it in central London, and you'll quickly see how slow and overloaded it is. Try and use it outside of an urban area, and you'll find you have no coverage. For instance, at my parents house out in the 'sticks' (yet within sight of the biggest telecommunications research institute in the UK), and not only can you not get 1G reception inside the house, but you have to wander about half a mile down the road to get anything.

A national fibre network is the only way to get high speed, low latency internet into every house - and that's what people want. Ask the Swedish, they've been doing this for years - live in the middle of nowhere? No problem, they run the fibre right to you.

Of course they pay a lot more in taxes. Perhaps the aussies should fund this by taxing the massive international conglomerates that rape Australia of its natural resources a bit more.

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Shocking data in the detail...

60 GBP / Month for ASDL ? Really ?

Are there no cable operators in Australia ?

I know they are not perfect (and their SuperHub is far from super), but at least Virgin Media keep BT on their toes with respect to pricing for high speed internet...

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60gbp a month?

60GBP/month? You'd only be paying that if you live out in a rural area, or go for one of the plans with a huge download quota (e.g. half a terabyte a month).

I pay ~45GBP a month for 150gb downstream quota (unlimited upstream) on "up to 24mbit" ADSL2+, which can sustain ~1.6mbyte/sec on file downloads (plus overheads). And that's because I go with one of the good but expensive ISPs, who have mirrors with lots of content that don't count against quota, and actually have knowledgable tech support people.

If you want one of the horrible companies, 60GBP will get you ADSL2+ with no quota and a landline phone.

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Download quota?

What download quota? I'm with Be.

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