There are now more Playstation 3s out there than Xbox 360s, it has been claimed. Market watcher Strategy Analytics said the Sony console's installed base hit 43.4m units worldwide at the end of 2010, just ahead of the 360's total, 42.9m. That puts Sony a little over one percentage point ahead, and it's still well behind the Wii …
Out of all of my mates, dozens of them own Xbox 360s yet I'm only one of two people that has a PS3. I'm so surprised that the PS3 does so well, even outside of Japan, considering the 360's near total dominance amongst my circle of friends. What about other parts in the UK - has had a different experience?
It's a PITA not being able to race my IRL friends on GT, but they'd suck anyway being 360 fanbois who play.. idk.. halo or whatever.. and pay for their internet access twice and don't have any real racing games.
Xboxes are more popular in my circle of friends too...
although I do know four people that have a PS3. I have a 360 and a Wii.
So long as they keep the (good) games coming for the 360 for at least a couple more years, I don't really care which is more popular.
I only know one person who owns a PS3, but he mostly uses it for Bluray playback, as he owns a 360 too, and multi-platform games are usually nicer on there. Platform exclusives like Killzone (le yawn) get a bit of play though, and he does like the LBP games.
Anyway.. maybe the answer to your bewilderment is that there is one really rabid belgian who owns MILLIONS of the things, and always turns up on forums ranting about anything non-PS3. Give it a few minutes, and I am sure we will see one of his aliases here. Tinfoil hats on.
(Fair disclosure, I will end up buying one for the boxed set of The Last Guardian with hi rez versions of Shadow Of The Colossus and Ico, though... the first "must-have" platform exclusive release.. gonna be awesome :D)
I know quite a few PS3 owners
Most of them are / were PS2 owners however.
However children games, two of mine LOVE Little Big Planet, favourite game ever. The others favourite game is the same as mine, Uncharted 2.
I would have thought that Uncharted 2 would have done that, definately my favourite video game ever so far.
Everyone I know who has a PS3 is using it almost exclusively as a Blu-Ray player because they feel they've been stiffed by Sony. The games are frequently more expensive than those on the 360 and rarely as good featuring cruddy frame rates and murky textures. I don't think I've bought a game for mine in nearly a year.
The flaw in the sampling/anecdotal evidence is that groups of friends are likely to buy what their friends have based on either experience of similar gaming interests. By contrast, the majority of my friends own PS3s like me (one even traded his XBox 360 in to join us).
It's no real surprise. We're all consciously or unconsciously basing our decisions on peer pressure to some extent.
How about a more neutral viewpoint.
Working on the games counter at HMV over christmas, my experience was that 360 games massively outsold ps3 ones. However, that does limit the view to a single (struggling) highstreet store... online sales with the likes of play.com could be different.
Of course, DS titles outsold all of them by an even higher margin >.<
How very dare you try to bring an unbiased viewpoint to a PS3 vs 360 thread, fanbois and trolls only don-cha-know?
Expect 360 sales to go up and possibly overtake PS3 in tiem to come due to kinect
Who needs a 360?
I'd buy a Kinect to use with my PC. No console required.
Kinect has had its day in the sun. I expect most of those controllers are gathering dust right now.
Kinect had an initial boom, but Move is gaining speed and PS3 is still outselling the 360 either way.
We have the majority of friends we circle with owning 360s, with 5 of them owning both that and a PS3 and only 2 of us having a PS3 and no 360 (and we added ourselves to that pool just this past Monday, had only a beat up PS2 previously we had not powered on in about a year). After playing hours upon hours of both Kinect and move, it is readily clear move is the far superior platform. Lack of buttons to push is a big issue for expanding into other game genres, and the system 6-9% overherd of full body motion tracking vs the PS3's 2% impact, on a processor that's less powerful to begin with, does translate into a noticable lag. plus, move support is being added to retro games, but Kinect can not be.
In every house that has X-Box and PS3, the PS3 is the main system, 360 only powered on for exclusive titles. Every house that got kinect stopped playing it after 45 days tops, 2 returned it after a few weeks, but those using move are actively playing and buying more games for it.
having just got a PS3, my only disappointment with it is that it lacks native streaming support not only for iTunes (which was expected), but it doesn't talk to WMC either, just DLNA alone run by WMP, not WMC. BluRay was an afterthought, little more than a bonus feature, we bought it for the Sony native content, the streaming apps that don't require membership in Live, and move.
for use with google motion?
I only know one person with a PS3. But I know off the top of my head, nine of my friends and such that have 360s.
None of them have Wiis anymore, they've all been sold many a xmas ago.
When I visit customers homes its usually a 360 under the TV, no PS3.
Odd sampling maybe?
Depends on your friends
There are some out there buying PS3s. Most held off the PS3 until it became cheap enough to buy; I'm more used to people still sticking to their PS2's. The one I do find everywhere is the Wii.
But then the whole point is moot, as someone else pointed, our circle o'friends isn't quite the real universe.
Downside of Xbox in UK
Is Live service.
I feel its poor value for money in terms of what others are providing and compared to the US.
Where is my iPlayer?
Where is Love Film/Netflix?
Zune movie rentals too expensive.
Oh and you expect me to pay to watch music videos???
Sky? No thanks.
That and its a bit of a mess in terms of navigation and layout.
re: Downside of Xbox in UK
Plus the fact that they removed the button to stop the charges on your account from auto-renewing from the interface, back when I was an XBL user last year. I had to phone up and be on hold for an hour to cancel, and they still charged my credit card.
I actually tried to cancel a second time, same thing. Then the card expired, and I got endless spam from Microsoft about the fact that they couldn't charge my card. The AOL model, fucking crooks.
The wii sold well but if my house is any indication - it is gathering dust. I personally hate the bloody thing - its a pain in the arse to use the controller and its far too cutesy and wraps you in bubble-wrap for me to be a viable games console.
I had to laugh a few weeks ago.
The Gf and I were sitting watching TV and during the time there were a few adverts for Wii games shown.
The GF turned to me in all seriousness and asked "is the Wii the console for retarded people?"
You seem to be forgetting...
The Wii wasnt designed as a console for gamers. It wasnt designed to take on the PS's and Xbox's of this world. It was designed for the casual gamer, the never played a computer game before over 50, and the under 15's. Onn this front it succeeded admirably.
Most of the friends i know with young kids, the kids love it. The over 50's and the casual gamer may have moved on, but for kids its stil the first choice. Just like the Gamecube was back in the days of the PS1.
Different horses for different courses, and all that...
PS3 fanboi surprise
I'm a massive PS3 fanboi, but somewhat surprised. Maybe the numbers are skewed by Japan.
We have both a PS3 and 360 in our household, but just about all my son's friends only have the 360. Echoing the poster above.
the Xbox is a kids console, with games like Kinnectimals and such.
The PS3 is the far mature demographic, and the console is way more capable too outside gaming.
This is why it's managed to obliterate the 18month headstart that the Xbox gained by launching early (albeit chock full of faults) and with a higher pricetag.
As an adult....
I could never hold a Sony Move controller in my hand without some embarrassment.
Sales seem to confirm this.
And eyepet was soooo grown up
Back under the bridge with you
OK when glowing red
Like the Helghast googles.
Hate to tell ya but the PS3 debued with a higher price than Xbox 360, with less games at launch, PS3 has a total of maybe 3 exclusive games worth playing...the rest play better on xbox, multiplayer better on xbox. PS3 is for a more mature demographic because they are the only ones that can afford the console, its much easier for kids to save up 160$ for a 360 than 350 for a PS3...and yes the numbers are greatly skewed by japan where microsoft has done little to no advertising. a ratio of 28 to 1 in sales ...shows that.
re: That's because
Low framerates and smeary textures are a sign of maturity? Is that because it's all the same with failing eyesight?
Back under your bridge.
where did you get tour move numbers from?
as Sony have SOLD more Move than Microsoft have SOLD kinect.
Microsoft shipped 8m kinect, but 30% are unsold gathering dust.
Sony sold 4.3m move to customers in the first 30 days, the figure is likely to be double that by now.
Among my non PSN friends about equal
If you ignore my friends from PSN I think that XBox360 and PS3 sales are pretty equal in the UK.
I know roughly the same quantity.
Popcorn icon required
..for another showtime spectacular...X-box vs PS3.
vgchartz is slightly different - xbox on top by 4M
4 million more xboxes globally in total. US it's charging ahead - been the top selling for months.
UK usually more xboxes ships, almost 2:1 since kinect launched.
Japan is as the article says. Although it's selling 10x better than the original xbox, it's 10x slower than the ps3 is shipping.
I think there'd be more traction outside the US if Live offered the full range of services (iPlayer in the UK is a no brainer - COME ON! - on xbox live free, passify the BBC and please your customers)
The reason they don't offer iPlayer is...
...that they refuse to allow all Xbox360 owners to use it, no matter their Live-status. The BBC has a mandate which requires them to "not charge" for access to their services for UK residents, and so they can't allow Microsoft to carry iPlayer while Microsoft are only allowing "paying" customers (Live Gold) to use it, and blocking "non-paying" customers (Live Silver) from using it.
If Microsoft would allow all Live users (Silver and Gold) to use iPlayer, it would already be available on the Xbox 360 console.
vgchartz != oranges
Yeah but numbers shipped will include RROD replacements. Installed base, which is what the article is about, is the number still in circulation.
<dives behind sofa with popcorn>
No 360 here
We have a PS3 and a wii. PS3 is only used for blu-ray and media streaming, Wii doesn't see a lot of use.
I have young kids and know a lot of families in similar situations. Everyone has a Wii, a few have 360s, I only know 1 other person with a PS3. All the kids have a DS though.
Where I used to work there were a lot 360s where the guys would have Halo nights etc.
ps3 v xbox 360
the xbox maybe popular but guess what the ps3 is catching up and soon will dominate enough said ps3 owns baby
However, its a bit like plucking up the courage to dance at a school disco, just as Lady In Red comes on and the nights over. Bit too late really.
New consoles please. These are all looking distinctly tired.
Your 360 might be
with it's PS2-era DVD player.
My PS3 is just getting going and has another 5 years of life (at least)...
Every single story I've read today I've thought "it's April 1st" ... I'll wait until tomorrow before I decide whether this is a piss-take (which the "1963 XBoXs" sold in Japan makes me think it is) - yes, I really am that much of an inveterate cynic I'm afraid.
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What's the failure rate like for both?
If you take the previously high failure rate of 360 due to the RRoD (30%? ) out - the PS3 and Wii have comfortably out sold the 360.
In reality , its not a bad mix of sales. Im glad there is some competition!
X-Box have more FanBois IMHO.
Mainly because us PS3 owners suffer more problems than X-Box users and have to buy new units. RLOD, YLOD, Failware Updates, Blu-Ray lazers, etc, etc.
$ony at work.
Rubbish! Ive had my "fat" PS3 now since launch with no problems. I also have a PS2 which ive had since a year after it came out, again, with no problems. Many of my friends have had to send their XBOX's back 3 or 4 times due to problems and RROD.
Its a known fact that Microsoft will release a product to get a head start over a rival, even though its not finished, full of bugs and will require lots of updates. Just look at their software products.
As for failure rates, I believe from an article I read a while back, the XBOX was about 30%, the PS3 was around 7% and the WII even less at around 3-4%.
The failure rate on XBox 360 is higher. This has been known fact for a very long time. BD drive failure rate is on par with DVD, and system failure rates are also exceedingly low. Firmware flash replacements have been especially rare on PS3, and those don't count as sales since Sony will replace one, even out of warranty, if a flash update killed it. X-Box systems have had RROD issues across multiple versions, Power supply failures and recalls, cooked systems, HDD failures, network troubles, and more.
I am good friends with a local BestBuy manager, and out of the 7 local stores, X-Box sells about 2:1 vs PS3, but has 4:1 the PRP replacements. (and PRP warranty sales are about even across them). The 360's remotes also tend to be failure prone.
The x-box failure rates are way out of what with industry norms. Sony is a bit below average, having built a pretty hard core box, the most common failures are HDD, and they're user replaceable with common drives (not special proprietary disks).
I have both and...
The XBOX360 rarely gets turned on and all dual-format games are bought in PS3 format.
It's just the superior platform, IMHO, everything it tries to do it DOES do. The XBOX is hit & miss on it's non-game-playing 'features' to the point of utter vexation.
No interest in chipping either unit so I couldn't give a toss about the 'SONY/MS are Evil' whingers
I also have both...
and have been caught out by dual format games being only 720p on the PS3 when they're 1080p on the Xbox (Fallout 3 and Colin McRae Dirt 2 spring to mind). I thought it would gradually die out but a quick check in Game the other week showed that new releases are still suffering from this.
Until the developers stop being lazy (or Sony provide decent development tools) then PS3 games are going to be hamstrung by developers coding for the Xbox first and then doing lazy port jobs to the PS3.
Still, as I say, I have them both so it doesn't make a blind but of difference to me really.
"and have been caught out by dual format games being only 720p on the PS3 when they're 1080p on the Xbox"
No you have been caught out by Microsoft's dishonest labelling of games.
Sony report the NATIVE resolution of games.
Microsoft report the UPSCALED resolution of games.
Both systems run the games at the same resolution, and both the XBox and PS3 wil upscale if needed using their hardware upscalers.
You need to stop listening to what Microsoft tell you.... I bet you even think that Xbox games look better than PS3 counterparts because Eurogamer told you so.....
Actual resolutions listed here ... Not imaginary ones