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Mozilla has officially released Firefox 4, the latest version of its popular open-source browser, after nearly a year of development. Available for download on Windows, Linux, and Mac, Firefox 4 offers added JavaScript performance through a new extension to Mozilla's SpiderMonkey engine, hardware acceleration on all platforms, …

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faster java???

well the mussus is already kicking off at me for the upgrade because stuff is in different places.

Not only that, but bloody zynga poker has froze twice loosing her chips !!!

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Duh!

Go and look up the difference between Java and JavaSCRIPT - they are NOT the same.

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Title

Right click on any of the bars, selecting "customise" and then drag and drop items where you need them.

If you want to get rid of the Orange button or just to move it then:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/movable-firefox-button/

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Loosing?

Were her chips tight previously?

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Loose chips?

She'll get over it.

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just to make things clear....

its the missus kicking off,

I know it only takes a few clicks here and there to get things looking the same as it did before..

but to be honest, i prefer the new clean look and the extra real estate it gives you for your web page, particularly on my netbook...

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Umm...

...why is the missus seeing your session? She can just move things around where she needs, or she can run a local copy of FF3.7. It's not hard on a decent OS.

Oh.

Wait.

You're using Windows aren't you?

Commiserations.

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I like it

Been using it all afternoon under Windows 7 (shush, I dual boot) and it's pretty good. Can't comment on load times as the initial load was obviously converting my profile/checking add-ons, but once loaded, it's pretty sprightly. Opera and Chrome die-hards will probably crow about theirs being 0.2ms faster to load a page, but really, the difference now is slight enough that I couldn't care less. There's far more to browsing the web than rendering speed, after all. Now that FF4 is out and IE is becoming less of a hog, I don't think there's a current browser out there I'd describe as "slow".

I'm not a fan of the new minimalist interfaces in any of the current browsers, to be honest, but getting everything back where it belongs really didn't take long. (This was also the first thing I did in IE9.)

Some of the new options and fiddles are nice. Having Sync built straight-in is a boon, and the new add-ons/personas screen is very nice indeed. I also like the "app tabs" or whatever they call them - very useful indeed for getting my most used sites down to a wee pinned favicon and out of the way.

The concept of tab groups appeals, but there really really needs to be a keyboard shortcut to switch between them. I might knock together an add-on that does just that. My personal view has always been that every second spent reaching for the mouse is a second wasted. ;-)

Probably half my add-ons aren't listed as compatible, which is the real bitch. Some of these are stupid things I haven't used in ages, like Froggr (exactly what you think it is), so I've removed them, but others are useful to me, and I'm hoping that the add-on developers are still around to fix them up. That's the risk you take with a system like this, though. You can't just assume compatibility, after all. The major must-haves still work, fortunately, like Firebug and the Developer Toolbar. Thanks guys!

Incidentally, being able to install/uninstall without restart is a kick-ass addition. That always used to do my head in.

In all, I like it. There are a few tweaks that I would have made here and there, but it seems stable enough, it zips along, and it works as well as it ever did. Just got to wait for some of my add-ons to update. Looking forward to playing under the hood with the new developer tools, as soon as I get chance.

Now, over to the inevitable Opera fanboy to yell about how rubbish it is and how all the good bits were stolen from the Cult of the Chosen.

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Minimalist!?

Oh, God, they're not hiding buttons like everyone else, are they? I hate it when they hide the buttons. Why does 'UI Design' = 'Spitefully hiding things' so often?

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Stop moaning

Why do people always start moaning about stuff like this without even trying it.

You can change it to have a regular old menu bar and have the tabs below the address bar in 4 clicks total.

If you want the status bar back, that's trivial too. Another right click on the toolbar and a click to select it.

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Because that's 5 clicks more

than it took when they released it properly. After all 0.2 ms is 0.2 ms and that's the kind of time savings were all looking for in our Browsers these days.

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Re: I like it

Funny, the first mention of Opera in the comments is someone accusing nonexistent "Opera fanboys" of something or other.

Your strawman is showing, "fanboy".

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Hmmm

"Your strawman is showing, "fanboy"."

Uh-huh. You missed the mention of IE9 in my post then? That and Opera being installed on pretty much every device I own. Right next to Firefox, admittedly, but it's there.

As I've said a number of times, I think Opera is a great browser, but man oh man, its fanboys are OTT. So I find that if I'm near the beginning of a thread, and I make some sarky remark about them, they don't turn up for fear of me posting a large JPEG of a trout. Works well!

Well, until you showed up, that is.

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Re: Hmmm

You don't think it's more likely they don't show up because it's all in your head?

What does IE9 have to do with "Opera Fanboys" anyway?

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Not massively impressed...

Truth is, we're so spoiled for choice now, firefox is no longer the exciting new contender for the crown.

I recall earlier days of firefox, when the download was a mere 3.7mb, microsoft was resting on the laurels of ie6, chrome was nowhere to be seen & opera was hardly a blip on the radar.

It seemed to me, back then, that FF was a damn side faster than it is now - the whole web was faster.

Now we're being bombarded with largely pointless wads of Javascript, to the point where browsers are touting how fantastically fast thier javascript engines are - yet I'm hard pressed to see exactly what benefits all this Javascript is bringing me in terms of serving *data*.

Sure, it's nifty not to have to reload an entire page for all page update operations, but it's hardly a 'killer' feature when your browsing for information.

There's too much page bloat & poor coding practices - Javascript has become the new *flash* on the web - loads of widgets that are supposed to make the web 'richer', when all along, it's the content that makes it richer - how it's displayed is largely irrelevant, so long as it's viewable.

... I'm having a grumpy day ... and a big issue with pointless use of Javascript all over the place.

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NoScript

Install the NoScript plugin--it really does make Web browsing faster, and you can easily enable/disable it for specific sites and sessions, plus it gives you added protection from malware-infested sites.

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@Tom

Get your router (or install a service) to not download the crap at source. I've still got to get around to this, but using the g/f's Mac at home is a nightmare with all the ads, pop-ups, highlighting, surveys and general crap that gets in the way of the content.

The web is on usable with NoScript, AdBlock, Flashblock, BetterPrivacy, CookieCuller and Ghostery all installed and running. Oh, and the odd Greasemonkey script.

These plugins are why IE (even 9) is a waste of space as a browser.

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@The BigYin

And I do what when I'm not at home?

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Meh - 64 bit Windows?

A 64 bit Windows version is, as with most other software, not included by default. Considering they've been creating official builds throughout the process, how much effort would it have required to add it?

To be honest, not terribly impressed. It's faster but still tends to freeze at times. It's only a bit of inertia stopping me checking out Iron and IE9..

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Why do you want a 64 bits browser on Windows?

Unless you're opening 3 or 4 gigabytes of web pages, a 32-bit program should be fine. I'm genuinely curious what you want to do with a juggernaut gigabrowser.

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I'm not sure this is entirely true.

I have read that 64-bit code will execute faster on a 64-bit architecture than 32-bit code. It makes sense, given that the OS and code will be optimized for 64-bit code.

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Large data, and registers

64 bit will be faster if you're shifting around large amounts of data, but is not by its nature vastly faster.

On x86-64 Windows, however, there are two considerations :

32 bit Windows programs running under Windows x64-86 will typically encounter a small performance penalty (although it depends what they're doing. For accessing lots of memory they may be faster)

Under x86-64, more registers are available. With a decent compiler this can lead to a noticeable speedup (5% or so, IIRC).

Plus, it's good practice. 16 bit is now dead in x64-86 land and terminal in x32. One day x32 will follow.

You might as well ask why other platforms (Linux, etc) want 64 bit Firefox and 64 bit Flash. It's no different, except for the fact mozilla.com only provides a source level distribution, with binaries typically provided by Unix distribution repositories.

The location of an authorised *nix repository is generally known; the source for Windows software is typically the vendor's website.

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Here you go - no Windows x64, bye bye PPC

To answer my own question :

http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/2ed3dfbf9e224b07#

To summarise :

Linux 64 bit isn't officially supported, despite the fact a number of 64 bit Unix distributions include 64 bit Firefox/Iceweasel

Windows 64 bit isn't supported either, despite asking since 2008 because.. oh shut up and stop asking, will you?

PPC isn't supported because not as many people run OS X PPC and those that do, don't count (despite the fact Camino runs nicely on sub 1GHz PowerMacs, at least until Flash is added)

Parts of the DOM code run 20% faster on OS X x64-86, but hey, who needs 20%?

No worries though, it's not as if Firefox has any competition, is it? (and yes, Chrome/Iron doesn't have a 64 bit build easily available either. IE does, though).

Must also check if the internationalisation in Firefox Windows is still incredibly poor. I thought it could do with some work on IE8 until I discovered how much worse everything else was..

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It's not so much the juggernaut aspect as it is having an app

that is compiled specifically for the OS. Mozilla I am more forgiving of, but M$ really pissed me off when their default IE client in the 64-bit OS was the 32-bit client and you had to adjust the OS if you wanted to use the 64-bit version by default.

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Blame Adobe

I'm sure Microsoft would love to select the 64 bit version by default. The issue is that most plugins would stop working, and they're essential for many people these days.

By the time Windows 8 comes out, the 64 bit Flash plugin and others might be out of beta and usable.

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"The browser is only as good as the operating system it runs on..."

What utter crap. What about when the browser IS the OS?

What they meant to say is that, due to a management oversight, all of middle management were given a bonus goal for 2010/11 of making sure none of their devs were running XP anymore.

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"The browser is only as good as the operating system it runs on..."

As you say. Crap. As long as the OS can get your image off the hard disk and into ram, and connect you to a few network sockets and HID things, the rest could be up to your browser. If chrome & firefox can do it, refusal by microsoft is either lies or manipulation. Or both.

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"Only as good as the OS" is 100% correct..

"The browser is only as good as the operating system it runs on" is indeed correct insofar that it thus totally disqualifies ANY version of IE as usable or safe - because all run exclusively on Windows (version in principle immaterial).

I think you should applaud such openness. I'm sure that wasn't quite what he meant to say, but that's what he actually meant, a Freudian slip*.

* : A Freudian slip is where you say one thing, but you mean your mother. Or something like that.

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Quarterly releases

Are a good thing! I've always used late beta versions of firefox since it was called phoenix. They are always pretty stable. The only downside is that extensions often don't keep up. Hopefully, quicker releases will make developers keep their extensions in sync sooner rather than wait for release candidates.

I've been using firefox4 since well before Christmas and it's been great. Today is a bit of yawn moment for me :)

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Not bad at all

Today FF3 asked me if I wanted to upgrade on my work's XP box. I said yes and to my surprise the download was only a few minutes even over our crap network. At first I thought it was was just downloading an installer but when it restarted it was all fully installed. All but two extensions worked out of the box, one needed an upgrade the other I don't need/use.

I ran the rest of the afternoon with FF4 testing various intranet sites that I have to use and some internet sites I frequent. Overall much faster on XP than FF3, making the company standard IE6 seem dreadful.

Visually you can see the Google influence on it, but it's not that radical, especially when compared to Opera. After a few hours of use it seems fine we shall see if it's fast enough on my home Linux boxes to make me switch back from Chrome/chromium.

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Always .

Firefox,

Always rough around the edges, and an unfinished look and feel.

Firefox is done. Mozilla is DONE.

Switched to Chrome and not looking back.

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Good for you

How's that £2m a year tech forecasting job going for you? You've obviously got it tied down so tight you've got time to come and gift us peon masses with a bit of your sparkling insight before heading off for a quick chopper ride to play the back nine at St. Andrews.

Geez peace ya radge.

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Firefox/WebGL? Driver dependent

"unlike IE, Firefox 4 supports WebGL, which provides hardware accelerated 3D inside the browser"

If your video drivers support it. Want to find out if yours do? Go to demos.mozilla.org (spoiler alert - if you have an Intel integrated chipset from Dell, likely not)

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Over-the-top bullshit hyperbole alert!!!

"[...]a browser running on a ten year old operating system tethers the web to the past."

<-- Made me honk all over my keyboard

Puh-fucking-LEEEZE!

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oh, a title

reverse direction, i'd rather have the web 2001 than the web 2011.

(and still prefer XP over 7 but i'm no longer overly religiouos about that and have started to accept that sad joke of UI)

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"The browser is only as good as the operating system it runs on..."

Yes, that nugget almost made me fell out of my chair laughing too :D

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Opera to the rescue

Let Firefox update itself to version 4.

It grumbled about an incompatible extension, downloaded what it said was an update to the broken extension, showed me the start screen. Then hung solid. Hung solid while using 100% of one of the cpus.

Hung so solid that even Vista's Task Manager refused to stop it. Had to kill it with Process Explorer.

Tried a few restarts. Same.

Had to start Opera to get to Mozilla's support page and learn the -safe-mode command switch to start Firefox with no extensions.

Disabled and uninstalled all extensions. That made it work.

Now slowly adding them back to find the Firefox killer.

So not an automatic update for me.

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I think I might see the problem here...

"Hung so solid that even ***Vista's Task Manager*** refused to stop it." [Emphasis added]

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Youtube Videos

Anyone else having issues watching youtube videos?v Just get a black screen but the video plays and if you double click on it it does go full screen.

No problem in 3.6.15 or chrome for that matter.....grrrrr

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I did the first time, hit refresh

As per title really. First Flash vid I tried to watch did squat, hit refresh, now everything is fine. Don't look at me, I've no idea either.

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Single threaded?

The first thing I do when I sit down at my computer or open my laptop is to hit refresh on all my tabs (at least the ones for news sites). This slows FF3 to a crawl, tab switching gets painfully sluggish, etc. Doesn't seem to have improved with FF4 unfortunately. Chrome does not suffer from this problem.

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O-RLY?

"The browser is only as good as the operating system it runs on and a browser running on a ten year old operating system tethers the web to the past..."

FF4 on linux is fine, and that's been kicking around for >10 years. Maybe if MS concentrated on writing an OS that wasn't so spaghetti, they might find they could update core pieces of it as required to make it run better over time, without complete borking the whole thing.

But then I suppose they're happy forcing their users to install complete OS upgrades every 3 years, keeps the cash coming in...

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FF4 is ok

..speed has improved and the sync'ing with mobile phones is great. Good job this time and dont listen to M$.

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Its Microsoft lost

Now that Microsoft doesn't want me and my xp ? After all these years I have always used MS stuff ... Well because of it I am now starting to use Firefox . So far I am happy to use Firefox 4 on my xp pc . It loads a lot quicker than IE 8 EVER did ... They ( MS ) want to push forward well I can say you have lost me because of your choices ... I am staying with xp as last as I can and whenever that day come and it dies on me ? I can guaranteed I will never buy another software from MS again ... The sad part is I have Vista and 7 but I don't care for either . I'm going to try to sell them ( retail version )

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Good intentions and all that

I've said that in the past.

Problem is, the next new OEM machine comes with Win7.

A self build doesn't really save much money these days as the OEMs can buy in bulk, even including the Windows tax.

And there are always those 1 or 2 applications that need a Win machine.

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No thanks, too busy

Installed it, looked at it, went back 3.6.

Too many low value cosmetic changes and too many extensions not ready yet. The All-In-One Sidebar menu bar is stuffed, its supposed to be FF4 ready. I'll wait a while & find a time when I'm less busy, assuming grim reaper doesn't take me first.

I wish they'd provide a dark default theme in the box.

Browsers are so f@#!ing boring, even word processors more interesting than browsers.

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Better on the Mac

Performance is much improved on the Mac over 3.6, and no stupid orange button. Nice work.

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Developers

"The developer community has been vocal that they want to push the web forward"

And everyone in Infrastructure and Operations actually knows that developers are idiots. If they developed decent code that was optimised and efficient then we wouldn't require the powerful machines with the extreme OSs. The developers are pushed along by the arty-crafty poofters in Marketing who haven't got a clue either.

Given the numerous FAILS by many websites in recent years, do the public really want the web pushed forward? Or let me phrase that better - is it in the public's best interest to push the web forward!

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You arrogant tit

The statement you quoted is all about the next set of web standards being widely adopted and actively supported. It has sod all to do with requiring Cray superboxes to run your browser on. But then you wouldn't get that, since you're clearly not a developer.

And if progress is bad, what are you reading this site in? Lynx? Or did someone "push the web forward" to the point where you can use a mouse?

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