Rockband 3 Pro guitar....
Ubisoft, slow to the party!
Ubisoft has announced a guitar-based game that uses a real six-string rather than a button-bashing imitation. Avid axemen groaned when Rock Band type games first surfaced. "It doesn't teach you how to play guitar," we moaned. "It's nothing like the real thing!" Ubisoft's upcoming title Rocksmith seeks to change all that. " …
Ubisoft, slow to the party!
I have RB3 and the Keyboard controller/instrument and a friend of mine has a Pro-Guitar controller.
The game really isn't quite up to the task of teaching you to play guitar. I mean you sort of learn to play guitar, but really only by rote. They're not really teaching you any sort of music theory like which chords "go" with what notes, reading sheet music, etc.
There are lessons, but this is more about teaching you where to put your hands in order to play the game rather than where the notes are. I don't know if the Ubisoft game will do any better.
PS: No, I did not expect to learn guitar or piano playing this game, but others do. Just my $.031415
I might actually learn to play that guitar I bought 2 years ago, huh?
I've always wanted to learn to play guitar but I found it hard to hear the notes over the sound of my tutor's molars grinding together. Shame it's being put out by Ubisoft but if it's on a console, the DNA scrape DRM should hurt less than the rectal DNA scrape the PC version uses.
Ubisoft would be the real downer on this one.
Do we really want to breed a generation of guitarists that keep having to stop mid gig because the broadband disconnected?
Mines the one with the Mesa Boogie logo....
Yeah, maybe they'll all turn their Xbox 360s off and go do something worthwhile, and maybe pigs will fly.
"Yeah, maybe they'll all turn their Xbox 360s off and go do something worthwhile, and maybe pigs will fly."
Like trolling internet forums?
Why do so many people who spend their time moaning on internet forums consider other peoples hobbies as a waste of time?
"Why do so many people who spend their time moaning on internet forums consider other peoples hobbies as a waste of time?"
Maybe they are bored at work or something.
I seem to recall a game a few years ago where you connected your midi keyboard and then by playing the right notes, your little androud raced along and jumped platforms.
Anyway, I can see this taking off quite well, but also seeing shitty cheap guitars being labled as compatible with this system ( just like DVD compatible!!!eleventyone SCART sockets)
No problem with shitty guitars being sold as compatible. After all, they are, indeed, compatible.
Unfortuantely it's always been a lot easier to do things like that with a keyboard than a guitar.
The keyboard is digital and the notes are switches (not withstanding aftertouch et al but that's still just digital info as far as MIDI is concerned) so it's easy to caputure that information and use it to trigger actions.
Guitars however are a whole different boiling vessel of aquatic creatures. They way they sound and play are affected by a great many factors - not just what note you're playing but whether you're playing chords; using harmonics; tapping; sliding; pouring lighter fuel and setting fire to... etc
With a MIDI hexaphonic pickup you can at least pick up which string is being played and isolate the tone on that string (to an extent, although modern ones are getting very good). I'd venture this is how the "Rock Band Pro Guitar" works.
Without a MIDI pickup you're relying purely on the line signal from the jack which is purely analogue. If you're playing a single note it can work out what that note is (that would be how tuners work) - say a C - but it can't tell you WHICH C it's playing as with the guitar the same note (in the same octave) appears in several places on the fretboard and you won't know from the line output which one is being held down.
That's before you get into chord voicings, fingerings, harmonics and alternate tunings.
I'd be very interested to see how well this technology works (and how much it actually attempts to do - i.e. is it just going to tell you if you're playing the right tonality or somehow try to work out if you're correctly playing the right fret/chord fingering) though. Could, if it's good, lead to some really nice inovations in the "real" guitar world... or it could just be a gimic.
We'll see :)
... and jack sockets on guitars aren't like SCART. They are all compatible by nature :)
I remember it from the early 90's. IIRC there was a version for the NES, Super NES, Megadrive, Amiga and PC (at least according to Wikipedia). I remember the NES and Amiga versions myself.
I wonder if Ubisoft will release something along these lines for the current consoles?
"a videogame that teaches us how to play an instrument strikes a chord with most bands"
Strikes a chord with them? really? <insert sigh of disbelief in the key of F>
Please make a note of the above comment.
While the tone is a little harsh, I agree that the frequency of puns on this site has gotten quite high recently. While they may reverberate with some readers, they don't sound natural, and leave many of us feeling a little flat.
So tell your staff to get sharp and root out the source of this problem. Thank you.
... but sadly not how to read music. Perhaps these games could include an option to "learn from sight", "learn from tabulature" or ultimately "learn from score".
... this might get some more people interested in learning a real instrument instead of whinning away with autotune on x-factor, it won't necessarily be a good teaching aid (though I'd reserve judgement until there are more details - it could turn out to be very clever at note tracking/chords and the other analogue guitar techniques).
Somehow I doubt it's going to pick up on sloppy technique though that'd ultimately hold a lot of people back and then put them off playing.
Combine with some funky hand/finger kinect (or similar) tracking though and you may have something useful.
Not saying it wouldn't be fun though for real guitarists to play though :)
Wonder if it'll work with my 6-string bass :-)
Unfortunately, it's ultimately a FAIL because UbiSoft are involved.
"Unfortunately, it's ultimately a FAIL because UbiSoft are involved."
It will probably snap your strings if you lose internet connection.
This is exactly what is available from Rock Band 3 (excepting that it also has keyboards, vocals etc.). There are lessons, over 120 tracks for real guitar already, etc.
Will Rocksmith also be using the Fender that was developed for Rock Band 3?
Unfortunately Rock Band doesn't (yet) teach how to read music or traditional tab.
Also how come the article's author only mentions (the now defunct) Guitar Hero that never moved away from buttons but not the abominable Powergig that also claimed it would teach guitar?
Rock band 3 works by using a special midi enabled guitar (or the 150ish button plastic toy if you want that instead). The midi guitar has sensors in every fret on every string so that it can show on screen where your fingers are compared to where they need to be. A regular midi enabled guitar (not that they are that common) would only send the notes played.
Now the guitar for rock band 3 is a proper electric guitar with a jack to connect to an amp, so it could be connected to the input for this "game" if you wanted, but it sounds like this one will work by analyzing the sound (and hence making sure you are in tune as well), rather than by midi. So you can use any electric guitar you want with this one, unlike rock band 3 that only works with a couple.
Why must a game teach you skills in the real world? I shoot aliens with a controller, but I doubt that will stand me in good stead with a real rifle. Same with sport games. . People who think these games should reflect reality need their heads examining. It is a game, a bit of escapism, you know ..fun.
but playing a real Guitar can actually be fun too, so no reason why combining the two couldnt work. Course they might make a pigs breakfast of it.:)
They made some good games once. I'm generally opposed to edutainment, but I do have a Gibson Explorer hanging on the wall right next to my PS3 gaming station... if they do it well it could be good. One for the "wait and see" list, I think.
Think it will teach you how to properly tune a guitar before you play? Or will loads of people holdin their fingers in the right places be getting low scores and doing a Clash and smashing their axe off the TV
I'm playing all the right notes...just not necessarily in the right order.
It's worth pointing out that lots of professional 'musicians' never learnt music theory, sheet music, etc, certainly not in any formal way.
Learning how certain chords sound good will let you pick up common sequences and even recognise them in other songs, I'd guess.
Not a real lesson, but I don't think it deserves snobbery.