Apple's iOS mobile operating system runs web applications at significantly slower speeds when they're launched from the iPhone or iPad home screen in "full-screen mode" as opposed to in the Apple Safari browser, and at the same time, the operating system hampers the performance of these apps in other ways, according to tests …
This will be news
..when Apple refuse to release a fix. Right now the story basically boils down to "there are some possible post-release bugs with iOS 4.3. Bug reports have been filed, but no feedback has been given yet".
Apple have earned the reputation that makes everyone suspicious of them, but it's a little early to call them evil on this specific issue.
... lawsuits will follow, Apple is a cash-rich, and arrogant target
It really could be a bug - especially if it is found that Nitro is part of Safari and hard to use outside, but stopping web apps from running without a connection is a new and deliberate step, IMHO
There is a world of difference between profits from good ideas and profits from restrictive practices, and Apple will get absolutely no sympathy from the courts with their dominant market position and hugely increased profits from iOS devices.
Watch this space...
I'm not Apple's biggest fan, but I hate this tendancy for people to see a conspiracy where a cock up is far more likely. (ie: Pretty much all the time...)
Re : This will be news
"..when Apple refuse to release a fix."
I agree in the main with this, although there is some indication that they are already not considering a fix as yet (allegedly) - from the article
"if Apple didn't specifically introduce these problems in iOS, it's aware of them now. And he says that the Mobile Safari team has indicated the issues will not be fixed."
As a developer, i'd have thought it was marginally more work (more code paths) to get two different rendering engines being used depending on their source - and it's certainly in keeping with their apparent bias towards self, rather than consumer, interest to do this deliberately - but it *might* just be a screw-up. Personally, and as an Apple user, i'd bet against it alas.
If it was deliberate then presumably they either
(a) thought that nobody would notice, which smacks of gross stupidity, or
(b) thought that people would notice but think of themselves in a position that they don't have to give a shit; not that they'd do that of course.....
What dominant market position would that be? I've read it in the tech blogs - Android rules the roost!
iTunes a monopoly?
Apple is doing everything it can to maintain its monopoly in iTunes. Or, so it thinks.
Forcing competing subscriptions to pay a high 30% cut to Apple making them 42% higher in cost to the consumer is just one method. Hoping they go away to avoid the cut is another.
It is very clear that Apple wants to deceive customers into thinking that doing everything just the way Apple wants to paying Apple a fat 30% cut is the best way.
Apple is deliberately screwing its own customers.
You thought Microsoft was bad.
Do not buy Apple products. You will regret it.
Are you some sort of robot, posting your identikit comment to every Apple story that appears?
There are no grounds whatsoever from which you can conclude that Apple's 30% charge on subscriptions is an attempt to deceive customers. You've taken one wrong and used it to allege a completely unrelated offence.
@Eponymous Howard - Good point, but...
Apple is the one everyone, including Google, is trying to copy. And Apple are making the most money and the best devices. So it all depends what you mean by 'rules the roost'.
The problem with believing in conspiracy is that there are no profits to protect!
The idea is that a free web app bites into apple's 30% margins, but the same thing as a free App, Apple gets 30% of nothing, which last time I looked is nothing.
I'm betting that this is a case of needing to extract the code to run standalone, and we will see performance improve with 4.3.1.
If its in the App Store, someone paid money for it to be there...99 a year at least isnt it?
There is a logical reason
But hey, never let reason stand in the way of a good conspiracy. Apple must be evil.
An entire strategy to protect
You're looking at this with blinders on, it's not about one of two free applications. Apple's mobile strategy is based on positioning itself between content/application providers and it's device owners so that it can control content access and extract a profit. To protect this Apple needs to continually guard against efforts by application developers and content providers that might chip away at that control and the profit stream it represents. I wouldn't be at all surprised if, at the very least, this is deliberate foot dragging on the part of Apple. Addressing the issue is simply not in their best interest.
Are you sure you are not an apple fan, it is difficult to comprehend that since you seem to be generalizing this like you have looked at each of these instances and evaluated them (obviously for no monetary benefit, not sure what you call that, I call it a fan)
Apple needs to keep the gravy train going. That is why they despised Adobe and Java so much; they lose control. While Apple was promoting support for HTML5, I knew they would do something to hamper it, otherwise they lose the app store. Why would you need an app when you have access to the Internet and have access to countless on-line apps.
...another poster conveniently ignoring the fact that web apps were Apple's original preferred model until the dev community wailed as one and the SDK was released.
Yes, Apple initially said that web apps were preferred. But they also denied that they were developing any kind of tablet/slate device, for example. You simply can't take anything Apple say as indicative of their future behaviour.
It is entirely conceivable that Apple had always intended for native apps on iOS, but the integration/SDK/store just wasn't ready in time for the device launch.
A billion downloaded native applications suggest that the war is over, and native web apps by and large lost. Google has been on a hiring spree for coders to build more native Android apps - they've got the message, so should you.
Quality conspiracy theory!
Apple have never denied they were working on a tablet or slate. They never confirm or deny their plans in advance.
As a result of that, I agree that they very often have plans they haven't discussed and that we can't conclude with certainty that the SDK wasn't a plan at initial launch. But it's wrong to impute dishonesty.
Conversely, in response to the original poster, half a decade of maintaining a bridge between their native APIs and Java and citing Java as an on-the-box feature, then half a decade of maintaining it internally at their own cost, then a collaborative effort to transfer maintenance to the same people that maintain Java on Windows — including providing source code and documentation — suggests they probably don't despise Java.
Native apps were always in mind.
I suspect web apps were only the "preferred" model because all the plumbing to the App store platform and SDK wasn't completely ready when the phone came out and it was far better to recommend that and say it's "the master plan" instead of, "oh yeah, please don't jailbreak and hack your phone...the tools and channel to sell it all aren't quite ready yet"
That isn't to say Apple hasn't been a leader in supporting HTML5 and open Web development -- just that the native platform takes precedence. I think that was always the end game - It's pretty logical.
Java on iOS
Sun was more than willing to create Java for iOS and yet Apple would not let them. While Apple developed the Java port for OS X, Sun would have as well. Apple wanted to keep control of it and Sun was more than willing to let them. Given that they are killing it on OS X and never allowed it on iOS that really tells you something especially since they just launched the app store for OS X. Red between the lines and you will see that Apple likes control and money and no Java gives them greater control.
Ever think that Apple transferred it because they know they still need it, I know I use it and that is at home. So it is just not an enterprise that needs it.
I can't imagine what sort of architectural mess must underly iOS that would amount to this genuinely being a bug.
BTW I hear that iOS clocks have gone wrong again on the change to daylight savings time in the US. Whatks going on there?
That's not the way it works.
It's also nothing to do with http versus file. If you read the article, you'll see that web apps no longer appear to be cached locally. So both routes are http. The distinction seems to be between UIWebViews, used everywhere except Safari, and Safari. Their browser is a lot faster than web content displayed everywhere else.
It's more than possible that they want to get a significant amount of field testing done for free by incorporating the new engine into Safari. When they're sure it works properly, they'll put it into the standard web component used throughout the OS.
Finally someone talking sense
iOS is a week old. Let's wait and see shall we?
So does that mean it will take Apple the better part of a year or two to fix it then? They still haven't sorted out the clock and they have tried to fix that how many times?
iMovie had a two year old audio bug.
How about critical Java flaws and five months after other Java releases were fixed Apple still didn't have a patch.
It has taken Apple months to fix QuickTime bugs as well.
Hoe about RAID Admin, it took Apple a year to fix a bug.
They beat MS and their 17 year old bug though.
This is why I stay away from apple. Alot of their products are designed not for consumers convenience but rather apples. Make it looks nice and fashionable and the lemmings will forgive it and make excuses for it. Imagine if MS did this stuff. There would be an uproar and every news channel in the evening would have the story.
Time for some anti-trust shit to hit apple.
likely the case
Antitrust is likely to hit Apple.
The effort to charge music subscriptions with a 30% cut forcing the cost to consumers to go up some 42.8% to cover is clearly anticompetitive. And Apple does have a strong or dominant position in the iTunes to protect. They have no problem doing so illegally.
Keep Apple customers away from competing alternatives or force a nice juicy 30% cut on all subscriptions.
Apple is out to screw Apple customers.
It does not take much intelligence to figure out a way to illegally control the marketplace. All it takes is the market position necessary to pull it off. And that is why such acts are illegal. Many have figured it out before. And many have decided it does not benefit consumers.
Apple does not give a crap.
I believe the US Department of Justice are already looking into the area. There's some suggestion from the usual quarters that connections between Google and the current administration may have helped expedite the issue, but absolutely no suggestion that the investigations will be influenced in any way.
The problem is that they wouldn't actually be leveraging their iTunes monopoly. To find competition infringements, authorities will need to establish that Apple have and are using a dominant position in one market to distort competition in another. In this case that'd be a dominant position in app vending to distort various subscription models. I actually think there's a good chance because Google aren't the only app vendor for Android so pure Android sales numbers aren't the question and iOS people tend to spend more on apps anyway. Apple's subscription rule limits what those offering subscriptions can do about passing Apple's 30% on to the consumer and thereby seems to distort the market.
That all being said, I maintain that Apple think they can use their current position — for as long as it lasts — to gauge subscription vendors, not that they're intending to keep down competitors.
Apple - run everything on our OS through us from us and no-one else, do not do anything we don't approve of. Leave us and lose everything!
Google - run everything through a browser on the web, no matter what, give us all your information along the way...we decided we own it anyway, even if you didn't specifically give it to us.
MS - run whatever is developed for our OS on our OS and use applications through whatever browser is available. Here are some protections and warnings but you can do what you want with your PC.
As much as I detest some of MS's past practices, I have to say I'm happiest with MS's approach. I only despair that WP7 might set a trend like Apple's. Here's hoping that Windows 8 won't lock us out from doing what we want.
So, Apple improve the speed in Safari and people complain because it's not improved everywhere?
If Apple don't fix this over site in the next FW release then please feel free to continue with your Apple bashing. But until then, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
I'm sure many others won't - but haters gotta hate.
Microsoft didn't have an army of apologists following them around leaping to defend them for every monopolistic / evil act they did.
What reality were you in?
pointing out illegal acts is not hate
Pointing out illegal acts is not hate.
Neither is pointing out technical restrictions like commingling code and imposing technical disadvantages on alternative means. Blocking Flash is just one of them. Not fully utilizing HTML5 is yet another.
Do you really think that Apple engineers do not know any better? If so, that is hardly a reason to buy an Apple device.
It isn't illegal.
Apple has no monopoly - curiously on players it's not far off, but customers have multiple ways to secure music, and if they want subscription content the only stipulation is that it must be available to customers via the app store at the same price as elsewhere (not as 42% more as you have twice claimed up thread).
Making shit up is what makes it hate.
We should be shifting away from Apple's proprietary app store
With the advent of HTML5 it's becoming easier and easier to develop application that mimic almost or entirely the functionality of their native counterparts.
Take this for example http://bbc-news.snaver.net/ it is almost on par with the bbc's equivalent, yet can run straight from the browser. But then I guess Apple misses out on its big 30% cut? Ho hum indeeed.
@Snaver: Good theory but terrible example...
.. the BBC News app is free, so Apple would be only missing out on "its big 30% cut" of nothing.
but shows well
How it would work for people who provide paid for subscription material.
And thats the Apple fear, content delivered without apps means no sub rake off.
Apple throttle free web apps in preference to "real" (paid for) downloaded applications, 90% of which are little more than a wrapper round a public website which could be handled in HTML/CSS with media="handheld" or "@media handheld" by any half competent web designer?
Not to mention said webdesigner would then have a site suitable for iphone, Android and Micronokia all in one go...
Nah, I don't believe it.
I recall that Apple had documents about how to create Web apps for the iPhone which presumably included details about caching for offline use etc...
Have these been changed to indicate that this is no longer allowed for web apps?
Hmmm... Replying to my own post - how quaint.
Anyway, surely the easiest way to determine if it's deliberate or not is to check Apple's web app developer documentation for iOS 4.3 to see if caching and whatever else isn't working is still supported. I would do it myself but don't really know why to look for.
Yep, don't believe it, because you got it wrong: Real apps which are are launchers for a webapp are in the same position as web apps on the homepage - they run 2-3 times slower than run directly in the browser.
Nice how everyone is skimming over that. Its a conspiracy!... to make paid apps run slower than they need to…
I think Apple are so tied into symbolic dates and launches, occasionally this kind of stuff happens, and they didn't have time to fully integrate Nitro, they just managed to get it into the browser before His Stevieness had to get up on stage and launch ios 4.3.
there's a thread here about that:
I am not an apple fanboi, but this sounds like a Bug or something that they planned to leave out of the 4.3 release for development reasons eg, not enough time, or it threw too many bugs when implemented.
Its a little too soon to confirm Apple as a shepherd for devil (even though they are w8nker$ now and then)
sunspider nitro JS test
got results close to those found in the article here:
4495.2ms when run directly in Safari
10427.7 ms when launched from a homescreen bookmark
In an Apple country garden
I don't want your dirty non-Apple toys occupying the same position as my clean Apple toys in my walled garden, although I'll gladly take your cash. If that bothers you, take your toys away and let me play with myself!
Sent from my iShed.
...page loading is severely crippled when running a Safari shortcut from the home screen. The page is initially loaded full screen, rather than within the Safari wrapper, and freezes up until the page is fully loaded (or reloaded, which happens every time you launch it).
This is particularly frustrating for 'launch pages' which merely contain links to other useful mobile content - the links cannot be clicked on until the page is reloaded, which takes unnecessarily long.
Not to mention the propiatry 'iPhone web app' icons that the site needs to host so the launch icon shows correctly. Why can't they just use favicon like everyone else, which can include multiple resolution icons anyway?
Apple need to revamp their web app strategy, badly. I suspect a lot of it made more sense when web apps were their sole iPhone mobile app solution, but they occupy an entirely different purpose now.
Reading through your sources, Cade, I think you've got this story a bit arse over tit.
Create a quick icon from Safari on your iPhone home screen and all that icon does is launch Safari at that URL. There's no difference in speed to opening Safari and typing in the URL, or using a bookmark.
However, Apple has provided custom bits of HTML which you can use to hide Safari's controls, if you want to use the full iOS screen (they've also added tags which let you do cool stuff like specify a startup image, which makes your web app even more "native-like").
Heck, if they didn't like it they'd just ban it
It's not like Apple has shown any compunctions about banning apps it doesn't like.
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