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Apple has allowed Opera's desktop browser into its new Mac App Store, but it has decreed that no one under 17 years old can download the thing. Jan Standal, vice president of desktop products for Opera Software, takes issue with Apple's stance. "I’m very concerned,” he said in a statement. “Seventeen is very young, and I am not …

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Pint

First class response, Jan!

Best laugh I've had all day.

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I propose creating an annual award

for the Most Elegantly Sarcastic press release. We already have the first of this year's nominees.

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Seconded!!

letters and digits

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I've got a nominee for that too!

"In order to avoid the slightest risk of anyone confusing a Formula One car with a pick-up truck... the men from Maranello have decided that the car will lose the F that precedes the number 150 and which stands for Ferrari," the Italian team said in a tongue-in-cheek posting on its website's 'Horse Whisperer' column.

"It appears that this could have caused so much confusion in the minds of the consumer across the Pond that, at the same time as losing the F, the name will be completely Italianised, replacing the English "th" with the equivalent Italian symbol."

- Ferrari F1 team repsonse to Ford copyright infringement threat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9415505.stm

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Mind games / FUD

This is just Apple playing their usual mind games.

I suspect it's targeting parents, who don't understand the Interwebs. They have no idea *why* there should be such a restriction, but a family-friendly company like Apple wouldn't do it without a very good reason, right?

Ahhh... Whatever this 'Opera' thing is, it must be some gadget thing that the other kids in the playground are using to browse pr0n, buy drugs and "hook up with girls in your area" etc. Just like that Bit Torrent brand of DVD player I read about in the Daily Mail or something.

Well there's no way *my* little Johnny, who incidentally is as pure as the driven snow and I'm going to keep him that way, is having this preverted 'Opera' thing on his phone. If I see him even looking at it I shall confiscate his phone, ground him and revert to driving him (safely) to and from the sixth form centre every day.

And Norwegian?!! That's where they legalised all the pr0n in the 70s or something! Proof!

<valium src="www.dailymail.co.uk" dosage="60mg" period="daily">Won't someone think of the children!</valium>

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Phone?

Who mentioned phones? Did you read the same story as me? The clue is in the very *first* sentence:

"Apple has allowed Opera's *desktop* browser into its new *Mac* App Store, but it has decreed that no one under 17 years old can download the thing."

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Lame-o 5000

Let me get this right - of all the stuff in the parent post you decide to latch onto an almost inconsequential error to try to undermine the argument? Fail.

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In fairness...

...mobile is probably the default medium for internet access among teens these days. It's only us old folks that need a mouse and a screen big enough to read on.

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Nice one, Jan Standal

Excellent response. Pokes fun, but not mean.

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Jobs Horns

According to Snapple

Opera have

Frequent/Intense Mature/Suggestive Themes on Opera

I think they're actually referring to the internet not actually Opera

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Frequent/Intense Mature/Suggestive Themes on Opera

Maybe Apple got confused with those furen musical play things that you have to read the booklet thing to figure out what's going on because they are not in English.

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Yep

... That would be because Opera fails to implement the parental controls system in the OS... All applications with internet access that don't implement this get the 17+ rating.

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@Thomas

I'm not one of the downvoters, because I suspect you are probably correct in your analysis. However, I *really* need to express my continuing amazement that people buy into a company that does this sort of thing.

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RE: Intractable Potsherd

Agree completely.

More money than brains springs to mind.

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Opera

Have you seen an Opera - mad fat women screaming and all sorts of murder, incest and mayhem ensues. HipHop is much safer.

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"Productivity" software? A browser?

Is that what they call idly surfing the web when you're supposed to be working these days...?

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WTF?

As Icon

As Title

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Holy age racism!

Hell, i can understand a drinking limit and no gambling till you're 18 here in Finland, but imposing an age limit for a browser that still shows you the same goatse as Safari is protectionism at its peak!

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A friend of mine actually does use the under 17 thing as an IQ test...

She actually rated one of her apps as 17+, specifically to weed out morons that would install the app, not read the description, be surprised when it does something the description says, and then go and rate it 1 star.

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Way to stick it to Apple!

Yeah, this makes no sense! LAME!!!1 Apple hates thinking, smart, awesome people like us. They only like stupid sheep. We are 2 l33t for them. Werd. "Apparently some Apple users still know how to think!" LOL that is so true1!

No, you got me, I'm being sarcastic. Doesn't Safari (and other built-in Mac software) have parental controls? Wouldn't downloading Opera from the Mac Store be a very, very, simple way to get around them? Yes, sure, parental controls are for n00bs and any halfway technical kid will get around them. Still, this whole "Apple == teh thought police" narrative is getting a bit old and tired for anyone over, say... 24 or so. Could have gone with 17, but being generous.

Techies need to start thinking themselves instead of reacting with this knee-jerk manner to anything they don't understand.

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This title has been censored as it contained adult themes

Way to go downvoters!

I don't agree with the Apple policy, but this post offers a very believable and perfectly justifiable reason for restricting access to Opera (assuming it really doesn't offer parental controls).

Usually the commenterati on here have a pretty expert view of security related subjects. Maybe the downvoters are just providing a knee jerk reaction to an Apple-positive comment. Whatever.

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Downvoted

For excessive use of exlamation marks and capitalisation, more insults than I usually enjoy accepting from a comedian with an actual sense of humour and enough leet speak to make ones ears bleed.

Too bad. Your point is actually valid and could have been well received (even if pro Apple posts generally are not).

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Opera does it again...

Love the way Opera flips apples obtuse decision making processes back on themselves.

All the while generating more publicity for the product off the back of it. (remember the countdown to when Opera Mini was 'allowed' onto the iphone)

Good work.

You know, if apple weren't so creepily odd, more people might like them.

/Operafanboi

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remember bork edition?

remember they proved msn feeds their particular browser some crap html and released bork edition? Everyone had a great laugh.

On the other hand, they also politely sued the hell out of msft and rumour says, they may have won 500M Euros.

suits at apple must be careful laughing, it seems Opera ASA jokes while they plan to bite (rightfully).

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Parental controls

What would be the point of MacOSX's excellent parental controls if the youths ca just download Opera to bypass Safari's restrictions. Apple is from the USA and in some states you're considered a child until into your early 20's!

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But, but...

in the USA you're allowed (sometimes even encouraged) to kill people way before this age!

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Age Limits

In some parts of the world a lot of people consider anyone from the USA to be a child, though most think that this applies to presidents, presidential hopefuls, and those from certain states, e.g the state of apple.

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Think of the children!

I'm pretty sure that's because Opera will not integrate with the Parental Guidance system preference pane.

This this strawman will come in handy to block all alternative browsers will be icing on delicious cake.

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Probably right, as the many above you who said the same thing... But if Opera is free to download how will they prevent those under 17 from downloading it anyway? Are they going to ask "Are you 17, Yes/No?" or require a credit card for a "free" purchase?

I certainly would not trust Apple with my credit card information.

Wasn't there a story a while back about a 1 year old who managed to bill $12,000 in apps with an iPad? Are Apple's parental controls really worth this nonsense given that fact?

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Told ya so

This is exactly what Apple has been insisting on with all apps that can download pictorial content found on the web. That Safari can download the same material is complete hypocrisy on Apple's part.

Let the thumb-downing begin!

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Except

Except that parents can go to [Settings > General > Restrictions] and turn safari off, thus preventing said porn browsing ankle biters from looking up wobbly bits.

I makes sense if you take a step back, considering that parents want to be more controlling than Apple.

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Parental controls

This has nothing to do with preventing kids from knowing they can install apps that didn't come from the app store. This has to do with the mac's parental controls. Safari ties into them. Opera (and other programs) do not. That is all this is about.

(and no, I am not an apple fanboy. I don't even have any of their products.)

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If that is the case, then how come if you enable parental controls and try to go to an adult oriented site, Safari does block you, but you can go to Opera and download Opera for the Mac. Now you would need to have administrator access to install the program though, which you would still need if you used the app store though; so that is a moot point. Apple has once again overstepped their bounds, it is as simple as that.

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@Lance 3 - that post made no sence whatsoever

Safari wont let you browse pron if parental controls are enabled. The app store won't let you install a 17+ app if they are enabled (and you don't need an admin login to install from the app store). If a parent installs an app then they are warned that it may provide access to 17+ content (do you really want your sprog to be able to do this?). How is this any worse than PC apps like Net Nanny?

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Not so

You can install Opera in your own home folder without an admin password. You only need an admin account to install it for all users in the main Applications folder.

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Might have something to do with the fact that

on some networks you can't look at sexy pictures of girls and stuff when accessing the interwebs but if you use Opera then you are still able to on their 3g networks, apparently, someone told me um maybe.

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This is different from the Usual Apple how?

Apple treats any app where there's even a hint of seeing objectionable things as needing the 17+ rating. That is, I wrote a chat program for iOS, and the dictum was to either get the 17+ rating, or filter out all the naughty words that people wrote. Pretty much anything that connects to an uncontrolled source (Like, say a webbrowser) gets this 17+, even if they use Apple's own web browser tech. As stupid as the rules may be, at least this is a case of consistency.

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/gameRatings

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Parental Controls

It's a legal disclaimer because Opera bypasses Safaris Parental Controls.

That's all it is, no great conspiracy, no real story. Just an opportunity for the people that like bashing apple to bash them.

This my friends is a total none story

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Based on what?

Have you tried it? It doesn't bypass the parental controls at all, it follows the same exact settings as Safari as the it is external of the browser.

So it is not "a total none story" as you make it out to be.

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Only One Explanation

For some reason, the parental control feature on the iPhone or iPad doesn't limit what people can access with Opera, even though it does limit what people can access with Safari.

Parental control software for PCs doesn't behave that way - it is not tied to the browser, but filters everything coming into the computer, because it has to. So Apple doesn't get off the hook if parental control is the issue, since they chose to put it where it would give them an excuse to obstruct competitors.

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It's because

web requests from Opera Mini are proxied via Opera's servers

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Another Charlie Sheen ?

They must be drinking from the same watering hole.

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"Anyone with an IQ under 80 should be forced to use Safari."

That would destroy competing products entirely.

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Anyone with an IQ under 80

That would be Apple users then?

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I think the AC here outsmarted the downvoters. He said that would destroy competing products. He is implying here that everyone with an IQ over 80 is already using Safari and that only idiots are using other browsers.

Of course, the exact opposite is true. Everyone knows that Safari is the least secure browser of the decade.

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@ Bullseyed

They do?

Does this mean all web browsers based on webkit are also insecure?

I'm not quibbling, I'm asking - I genuinely don't know - last time I kept up with this sort of thing was back in the IE/firefox days.

I stopped keeping up when I realised that by far the most insecure bit was the fleshy thing pressing the keys.

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Has anyone even considered...

You do realize, that buying or installing software is agreeing to an End User License Agreement and is considered a legal contract.... all of which (In the US at least) requires the end user to be 18+...

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Ok, shall we entertain your line of thinking, then EVERY app would be 17+ now wouldn't it? Given that some are and some are not, that is clearly NOT the case.

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Anyone with an IQ under 80 should be forced to use Safari.

Tautology buried in there somewhere, surely!

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