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It is not an easy time to be a Unix server vendor, but at least it has stopped getting harder. According to the latest statistics from the box counters at IDC, worldwide sales of Unix servers was flat as a pancake, growing four-tenths of a percent to hit $3.8bn in revenues. That drops Unix from about half of revenues a decade …

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Bad stats?

Personally, I find it's often cheaper to buy a Windows server and un-install Windows before popping a Unix OS on there. Probably related to the server distributors receiving a payment for each Windows box they ship. Not sure how that affects the statistics.

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erm no.....

Andy 18,

Working at said Server disty in a very large server franchise (HP) - we don't pre-install any OS unless its specifically asked for prior to shipment...and the servers don't come from the vendor pre-installed (again unless specifically asked and paid for).

Sounds like someone has fed you a line to get you to pay for a Windows license maybe........

That said I can't comment on what other disty's do and don't do

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Splitting hairs

But "servers with Linux ... saw a 29.3 per cent jump in revenues"?

So for all practical purposes, *nix actually grew _faster_ than all other platforms except for mainframes, right?

To those of us who aren't marketeers or bean-counters, there's more difference between different flavours of "UNIX" than between UNIX and Linux. Just think BSD vs. SysV...

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linux == unix

unix is flat if you take out the flavour that rises. Great statistic!

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GNU

GNU

Gnu's

Not

Unix

Linux is unix-like, it's not Unix, it's not a unix flavour, it's just not. This doesn't make it worse (or better) than Unix, it just makes it not Unix.

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Linux/Windows

I'm not supprised that big Unixes are not doing that well, I know of a few big companes who are dropping their RISC based big Unix systems (Solaris/HPUX/AIX) in favour of virtualising everything on Linux VMs, sharing their VM host machine with Windows VMs. Often this is augmented by z/Linux on z servers. The bang for buck of the big Unixes is dropping off very fast and is much less than is available for Intel boxes these days.

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Well yes.. but

you have to remember that just staying flat actually means that a hell of a lot of more capacity have been shipped. POWER7 for example gives you around 4-5 times the CPU capacity for the same money, and SPARC and Itanium have at least doubled.

Gee.. I sound all mainframe like :)=

// jesper

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zLinux problematic?

People here say that zLinux is buggy and unstable. Can anyone confirm/deny?

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linux == unix

Agree with catweazle. Having worked in unix for over 20 years, I always thought of Linux as just another unix flavour, and one of the most unixy flavours at that.

Where is visualization in this story ? Aren't we all just buying blades now, or using vmware to provision Red Hat ?

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Surely

Surely it's gone past the time to be counting Linux and Unix separately anymore?

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For practical reasons, yes.

Probably could use POSIX as an umbrella term for all Unix and Unix-like systems. The Unix separation mainly comes from:

- UNIX being reserved for "genetic UNIX", those commercial systems are based on SysV.

- The BSDites, that have weird things in their rc.d/init.d files and use the fugly /dev/ttyXX everyone else stopped using since the Unix98 PTY spec came out

- The "Unix-like" OSen, of which Linux is the most known. Some purists insist to call this GNU/Linux, and the same purists will go up in flames if anyone were to call Linux "Unix".

In reality, the GNU OS was never finished. Linus built a kernel and put the GNU tools over that, thus the GNU/Linux controversy began as GNU thinks that Linus Torvalds only built the kernel and thus didn't really make a full OS from scratch. Meh.

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Posix

The problem with Posix indicating Unix is that if you install SFU on Windows, it becomes 100% (IIRC) Posix compliant. I wouldn't say that this made it a Unix box though, in the same way that if you sitck Wine onto a Linux box it's not a Windows machine.

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