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Mozilla release manager Christian Legnitto confirmed in the early hours of this morning that there will be just one more beta of Firefox 4 before the upcoming but oft-delayed browser hits Release Candidate status. "I just wanted to send a quick note clarifying again that Firefox 4 beta 12 is the last planned beta," he said. "It …

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Had to check the calendar for this one.

Hotmail? It's 2011,folks. Nobody is using hotmail anymore.

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I regret to say...

...that, unfortunately, you are wrong. There are plenty of the clueless still using it.

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Not just the clueless!

Also those of us who want a spam-catching email account for giving to businesses alongside our normal ones. Hotmail used to be such a spam magnet that now its spam filters are actually quite good.

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one hotmail account I use

just for spamtasic websites; which I though would last 6 months is still usable 6 years later.

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Re: Market share

Unfortunately they are the no. 2 email provider with 25% of the market, just behind the market leader Yahoo which has 26%.

Changing email provider means telling everyone your new email address and persuading them to use it. That can be a bit of a pain which is why a lot of people still use hotmail.

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Been with them since before MS bought them.

I've had a Hotmail account as my backup account since they were called HoTMaiL and their servers ran BSD. It's outlasted at least 6 ISP's and an ill-fated attempt to host my own mail server. Hotmail has done well by me, despite Microsoft's best efforts to ruin the service.

And like Magnus says, their spam filters are rather effective these days, in my experience better than Gmail's. These days I use Gmail as my spam magnet.

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It is 2011 and it was in 2008 that Hotmail was last useless

It is 2011 and it was way back in 2008 that Hotmail was last useless. These days it is "okay".

Things go in cycles. As Firefox was once more efficient and faster than MSIE, now FF is slower and less efficient than MSIE.

If Mozilla doesn't ship an improved production FF by mid-summer, I'm off to Chrome or back to MSIE.

In other words, there is a 50% chance I'm switching to Chrome or MSIE.

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How coincidental!

An MS service might be the only one on the internet to cause a large enough problem to delay a competior product? I for one am shocked.

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y'know

It's funny but that doesn't really sit well with alongside the claims that "no one uses Hotmail" does it?

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I think it is a lame excuse by Mozilla

I think it is a lame excuse by Mozilla.

I think if Hotmail was their only problem they'd have shipped.

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FAIL

fuck it

that'll do...

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If...

If it stops just ONE person from falling into the clutches of Hotmail, then it's all been worth it.

If it makes others leave - then it's a triumph.

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*Gasp* A Firefox article? I wonder what comes next?

Wait for it, wait for it...

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Joke

Use Opera!

It cures cancer!

Firefox smells!

umm... That about what you're expecting? ;)

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Stop

Enough Betas already!

Give Adblock a chance to catch up.

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No.

"...the team needs to rely on Redmond's help to fix the glitch. "

No they don't. If the Hotmail site is delivering standards-compliant HTML/CSS, then they need to fix FF to be standards-compliant. If it's not, then they need to LEAVE it looking crappy.

Just write to the standards and let the shit web developers look like shit.

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Only problem is

The end user, being most probably ignorant of how a webpage works, will blame Firefox, because it works just fine in Exploder.

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beta11 seems good

After the disaster area of beta9 I expected plenty more betas - but beta11 has surprised me. All the annoying broken UI elements seem fixed, seems at least as stable as FF3 (yeah, not saying much) and I can live with the RAM use. Looks good to go.

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But does it work with Excite Mail?

Why are you looking at me like that?

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Updated old saying

Microsoft isn't done, until Firefox won't run.

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Hotmail - no problem, no-one in their right mind would use it anyhow!

Hotmail bug?

Pardon !?!?

Of course Firefox users are far to educated and refined to use such a CHAV tool as 'Hotmail'.

Problem solved.

QED

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Did you not read the article?

Nearly half their testers use Hotmail. One hotmail problem knocked out their whole ability to communicate with their testers.

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UA spoofing helps

UA spoofing helps.

This problem fixed if I set general.useragent.override to "Mozilla/5.0

(Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.14 (KHTML, like Gecko)

Chrome/10.0.607.0 Safari/534.14".

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627729

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The patch for bug 627729 is a Hotmail-specific code path that forces the use of

the old HTML parser for document.open() on Hotmail.

Remove that code path once Hotmail has deployed a fix for the problem at their

end.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636692

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Good links

I would also include https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636690

I'd recommend that all commenters be forced to read those threads before commenting on this article (I know it would have improved my comment) but I know how likely that is, so:

In summary:

MS Hotmail stopped working in FF4b. FF developers investigated and found that it was an issue with UA sniffing in Hotmail. They contacted MS developers, who confirmed the issue and have written a fix.

The Hotmail fix has been promised by the release of the FireFox release candidate. In the meantime, a workaround has been added to keep the (apparently many) FF beta users who also use Hotmail happy. That workaround will be removed once the Hotmail fix is released.

So nothing really left to see here. Move along.

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MS delaying FF until after IE9 by tweaking Hotmail?

Smart.

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FF + Hotmail user here

I use Hotmail via the Webmail notifier plugin, alongside a couple of yahoo accounts and a gmail account.

I get lots of newsletters sent to the hotmail account. I use a yahoo account for sites like this one.

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If Hotmail was the only problem, why didn't Mozilla put the OS X and Linux versions into production?

If Hotmail was the only problem, why didn't Mozilla put the OS X and Linux versions into production?

Surely there aren't many Mac fanboys or Linux types using Hotmail via the web interface.

I think the Hotmail thing was just an excuse.

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This reminds me of my days in first year university ...

This reminds me of my days in first year university, when it was always one more change and it will be working, one more test ... for hour after hour.

Maybe by mid-summer they'll have something to deploy in production, hopefully.

And now Mozilla has gone from one more change, one more test, to one more beta and one more month.

(And actually Hotmail is a pretty good service these days. The spam filter works really well. But Windows Live Mail, it is missing a lot of useful features. The way things are going, though I'm more likely to abandon Firefox than Hotmail.)

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