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Upcoming World Cup and Euro football tournaments will not be shown in the UK by pay-to-view services like Sky, the European Union's General Court has effectively ruled. The Court this week judged that the European Commission (EC) had been right to approve a list of games, including all 64 World Cup and all 31 Euro matches, that …

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Great news

I heartily endorse this event/product.

One in the eye to Murdoch.

Side note... is it possible to have a Murdoch Halo/Horns options??

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Halo

When the fuck would that be used?

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isn't

All tv in the uk, pay to view?

If you don't pay your tv licence and you're not allowed to view it.

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No

I suggest you read the rules - they are available on-line.

In a nutshell; if you have a tuner (e.g. tv, vcr, pvr, tv-card...) that is capable of receiving *live* TV broadcasts, then you must pay - even if such devices are not connected.

There are, however, a few wrinkles:

---If you "knobble" said device (e.g. break aerial sockets) you do not need to pay.

---If you watch lots and lots of DVDs and can prove that, you can avoid paying even if the tuners can easily be made active (there is precedence for this).

If you have no tuners and only watch catch-up (no live TV) then there is no need to pay either.

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Completely wrong...

No, I suggest -you- read the rules. Having a device capable of receiving live broadcasts is not illegal. Using them to receive live broadcasts without a license is. You don't need to 'nobble' the aerial sockets, or 'prove your innocence' by harping on about your extensive DVD collection. Just refuse the inspector permission to enter your house, revoke his implied leave to pass onto your property to get to your front door, and ignore the dozens of threatening letters accusing you of being a criminal that you'll get from the TV Licensing offshoot of Crapita, and you're good.

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"Using them to receive live broadcasts without a license is. "

It isn't even illegal to watch BBC programmes on iPlayer as long as you don't recieve at them at the same time as they are broadcast on television.

Like Aquilus says go tell them to go fuck themselves. Same as you would if Tesco came around and asked to look in your kitchen because they didn't believe you only shop in Asda.

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Excellent decision.

You could say the EU smashed it.

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Proof, if any is needed...

That governing football is, now less important to UEFA/FIFA than wringing out every last penny that can be EARNT from governing it.

Can't seem to find an icon for "where's my baksheesh..."

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Fifa

The ONLY thing that FIFA, UEFA and our very own FA are interested in is money. Pure and simple. Their interest in the game of football is a long and distant memory.

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Hear, hear!

FIFA, UEFA, etc harp on about inclusion and the unifying 'language' of football in their PR but then they want to parcel out the rights to events like the World Cup, excluding the poorest and most marginalised? Is it possible to find a better example of hypocrisy?

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ha ha

Nelson points --->

The silly money has nearly destroyed football and the exclusive "rights" distorted Pay TV market.

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Let's hear it for Karen Murphy!

Thanks to this tenacious landlady, a new era of football rights is being ushered in. In fact if she wins her case in the European Courts it may have serious implications for other media rights:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2011/feb/03/bskyb-news-corporation

The annoying thing is, why do we always need the European Courts to do these things for us? Of course, 'Dave' wouldn't want to go upsetting Rupert now, would he?

(Meanwhile I long ago gave up any sense of guilt about streaming sports on my PC)

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Hmmm

The qualifiers for both events are open to all round bidding and have appeared on Pay TV in the past.

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flame on...

I'd prefer it if they were only available on premium channels, that way they would be kept off the channels I tend to watch!

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Good

One thing that Football does not need is more money thrown at it.

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title

Cue yet more anti-eu drivel in the murdoch media tomorrow then

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There's only one F in football.

As one of the majority of the UK residents who does not like/watch football, I am happy for it to be hidden away on Sky - I don't have Sky.

Keep football from wasting the air time of all the other crap I could be watching on BBC/ITV.

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and

There's only one F in Murdoch.

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Football sucks, real men prefer Rugby

Football in the EU is now as bad if nowt worse than the USA with the salaries, namby pamby nonsense, etc. As a result it sucks more than all of Amsterdam on a Friday night in the Red Light Quarter and should be avoided at all costs, or freebies!

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Real men prefer Rugby

Do you mean the type of real men who like to watch other men scrumming together. Grabbing each others gonads and sharing showers together at the end of the match?

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@AC - I Hope you're joking, but...

Yes, like the original poster said: Real Men.

Real Men are comfortable with their sexuality and don't resort to tedious X Y or Z is "gay" jokes.

Just look at the state of Premiership Football how many players? A hundred, maybe more. Yet staggeringly not one of them is gay, or worse, not one of them who is gay feels able to come out. Rugby isn't much better, having said that. It's pathetic and needs to change.

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Good for the most part

I am not into football at all. When the World Cup was on last, a reversal happened: it was my girlfriend forcing me to watch the footy. So I don't particularly care about this WRT football.

What I am into is Formula 1. I can see a day when this ends up on Sky Sports. At that point I will be faced with a problem.

I don't mind paying to watch it. What I do mind is having to pay for all the other stuff (football etc.) that's shown on Sky JUST to watch my F1. I don't want to watch ManU play Arsenal or whatever else, just F1, but I would be forced to subscribe to the Sports package and shell out a big chunk of my hard-earned just to see the one sport I am interested in.

I am sure many people would be prepared to pay to watch the sports they want, but don't want to pay for those they will never watch.

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Don't worry

The car makers do not want F1 on pay TV they and Bernie INSIST it is shown on free to air TV.

If it is not shown, the public will not see the cars and the team sponsors.

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WRC...

Shame the WRC guys didnt take that view. If they think I'm shelling half as much again (because I don't have sky sports there is a "penalty" price hike) for ESPN just to watch WRC.... FORGET IT!

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I agree.

I have this dilemma this year with WRC now being on ESPN. It's a lot to pay for 3hrs viewing a month.

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re: Good for the most part

I can see your point, but football fans are paying for other sports currently. For example, I absolutely loathe cricket (it's entirely pointless... how can a game last for weeks, then be declared a draw, and why are games between Sri Lanka and South Africa shown on British TV, when, say, a European Qualifier between Holland and Germany isn't?). I also loathe Rugby League.

In fact, sod it, I loathe most football. Sky's "Super Sunday" a few weeks ago was Bolton vs Everton. Hardly super. Sky rammed two games down my throat on Tuesday night - I watched neither. It transpires I'm paying £20 a month to watch the one or two games that interest me.

At least, as an F1 fan, you'll be shelling out your £20 for two races, two practice sessions and two qualifiers.

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That reminded me

Unfortunately I forgot to follow the WRC after the triple things of brain tumour, helicopter crash (RIP to both) and the ruining of the RAC rally.

I think I last saw it on an ITV channel.

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Lord Lieutenant

Who cares about the football that much?

It didn't matter which way the decision went, it's just not Cricket!

Big Brother, as it's something we all wish HAD been confined to Pay TV.

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"corporatist-fascist"

the term would be vacuous unless once in a while the corporatist element subordinated to the fascist element. this seems as innocuous an opportunity as any to validate it, to an audience of fanbois too drunk on good cheer and beer to care.

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Wish this would happen in Malaysia

That way, the stupid Astro would stop dedicating a dozen of channels for exclusive Pay-Per-View football and bring in more useful channels, like say Discovery HD and bring back BBC Entertainment.

I'm still having Dr. Who and Red Dwarf withdrawals two years into those bastards dropping the channel from their lineup.

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Who is the sore loser now Blatter!

from Fifa Mission statement:-

FIFA World Cup™ and the various other world cup competitions; it extends to safeguarding the Laws of the Game, developing the game around the world and to bringing hope to those less privileged. This is what we believe is the very essence of fair play and solidarity.

Great way to develop the game by denying it to the majority of viewers, who are less privileged and are unable to pay for "pay to view services".

I just can't wait for Sepp to pass on. Hopefully, the next bung chokes him!

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Drat!

That means another 95 football matches forcing everything else off the schedule.

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Acquisitiveness

Right on. It's about time the thieving bastards got their come-uppance and were made to realise that we, not they, pay their wages and WE say, stop digging into our pockets in order to exert your maximum pressure for maximum income which you have NOT earned. You've got me all of a doo-dah. After all, it's one thing being a nation of shopkeepers but totally different to be one of the forty (?) thieves.

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There's the money shot!

"generally pay more for transmission permission than the free-to-air services do."

I don't think I have read or heard a discussion about footy that has not involved the money-side. It's not a game anymore, it's an industry and money-circus.

Good see the consumers finally getting something useful for once, rather than getting shafted again by Murdoch.

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Sky Sports

Which must be the only place where you pay a premium to watch sports, which has advertising all over it, and then they still make you watch Sky adverts.

You pay for something, you get no adverts. You don't pay for something, you get adverts.

That's the way it should be.

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If only

When I pay for my DVD I get adverts AND a lecture about how I should continue to do so. It's all a joke.

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Thats really anoying...

Get a Pirate film, in a standard DVD player, and you can normally watch the film you didn't pay for straight away.

Buy a legit copy, and you have no choice but to sit through adverts and lectures on piracy. So you pay more for an inferior product.

Sound good?

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