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Been a long time coming, but yesterday the European Commission got its mitts on the first sample of a universal phone charger for member countries. Commissioners were so excited that they ran a press conference, with TV cameras and all, in Brussels to show off the beast. The brouhaha was a bit overdone - we are after all …

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Where is HTC?

My last two HTC's already sported a micro-USB connection, which was annoying as the previous three HTC's had mini-usb and I had to replace all my chargers.

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Check your facts

I think you'll find that HTC already include Micro-USB ports on all their new handsets, so don't need to make any pledges to change

It'll be interesting to see if Apple include an extra port, remove the 30 pin one or just include an adapter (my money would be on the latter)

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Probably very expensive adapter

My guess is that the micro USB / 30 pin adapter will be quite expensive, and included only in kit sold in the EU.

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Already support the standard

If I'm not mistaken, HTC already use Micro-USB across their range, so why do they need to join - and presumably pay - into this love-in?

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Next stop: common laptop chargers, please.

Magsafe or GTFO...

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laptop chargers

aren't quite as straightforward, for example I own 2 laptops, one has a tiny 40watt charger, and one has a bulky 150watt charger.

A standard charger would have to be at the higher power to even turn on that one, nevermind charge it. So bye, bye to the tiny low powered jobbies! The different connectors are needed to prevent you from plugging in an unsuitable charger, so even with different power outputs it would be harder to standardise those.

The number of different types could probably be reduced quite a bit though.

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That Commission statement in full.

"We've copied China's rules. We had to, they make most of the phones anyway. Kthxbai."

Add spin and hype, slop on some greenwash, job done.

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Where is Nokia?!

More importantly, where is Nokia?! It's all very well putting MicroUSB sockets on their phones, but they dont use them to power up the battery. Grrrrr.....

[ Evil Bill - well old habits die hard ;-) ]

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N900

The micro USB on the N900 charges the battery - I'm looking the charge indicator right now :)

Can't comment on any other Nokias, I'm the only Nokia user in the household now...

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..in the Doldrums like always

My X6 can't even charge off the USB socket.

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N Series

My N85 and N8 both charge from usb.

...but the N8 also comes with a small round connector for charging so that you can charge and use USB to go at the same time.

Are nokia going to be obliged to ditch this useful feature and have to provide 2 usb sockets?!

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Not all mobs

Why do some of the latest Blackberries sport a squashed mini USB socket when the earlier ones were standard mini USB? The EC should stash the Champers until all vendors play ball.

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Um...

The "squashed mini USB" socket is microUSB. The new standard. And technically superior to mini USB (smaller and more robust).

Earlier ones were mini USB because microUSB hadn't been invented.

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What's in a name

The squashed mini USB is called...... a Micro USB!

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So where is HTC?

More importantly, where is Nokia?

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Re: So where is HTC?

They are there - now...thanks for the catch.

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A triumph for ... The Peoples Republic of China ...

As I recall, whilst the EU were busy congratulating themselves on being the EU (happens a lot), the PRC simply told mobile phone manufacturers that if they wanted to sell phones in China, they had to have a common charger.

Endof.

Mysteriously, the mobile phone companies, who for *years* have dicked us around with a plethora of chargers (even nokia could decide on a common connection. I have 3 of their sodding chargers) suddenly discovered that with the threat of losing the biggest market in the world, they *could* come up with something.

Watch now, as phones come "charger optional", but at the same price as they used to be "charger included".

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HTC

Do HTC actually have any current phones that aren't already micro USB?

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HTC is there

My wife's HTC Desire has a micro USB but my Hero has a miniature USB though the socket is an odd shape. It will take standard leads but the HTC supplied lead won't fit any other miniature USB socket due to the non-standard profile. So I threw the lead way and used a stadard.

Kindle uses micro USB so there is wider standardisation - but how do we stop the chargers coming - I have 7 that will take a USB lead at the charger end

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Is the cable for connecting an Amazon Kindle one of these?

Are there different varieties of "Micro-USB" cable that we have to watch out for? Will it always work if it physically fits?

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My Kindle charger

Will charge my Nokia N97 and the Nokia charger works on the Kindle. So as far as those two are concerned, they definitely do work together.

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Yes, but...

Yes, most of the time. I'm currently using a Blackberry charger with a Kindle. Works fine.

Only gotcha is that the charger must provide enough current - Blackberry's seem very fussy in this regard, I have one USB car charger that won't work with a Blackberry, but works fine with my satnav.

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Almost..

The press release says that companies can supply an adapter rather than having to put a micro USB port on the casing, so whats the odds Apple simply suppy a micro USB to Apple Dock connector cable to do the connection, and no doubt charge a fortune for a replacment.

Not sure ho w this really make a huge difference to the world

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Car chargers

It has always seemed a bit odd that every phone in the world has a different charger connector, but every car in the world has the same cigar lighter to plug the charger into.

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Ref Car Chargers

Thats because Cuban cigars have been size-standardised for over 50 years.

(Mines the one with the 48 Cohiba in the pocket)

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Re: Car chargers

There are actually two different sizes of fag lighter sockets in cars worldwide. Better than phone chargers, true. Just don't expect your Euro lighter plug to fit into a car on the other pond side.

Coat. Exit.

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Next stop: common laptop chargers, please.

Er. I already share the same chargers across different branded laptops. So long as the voltage is the same.

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If it fits the hole its a goal

Who doesnt share chargers, If the plug fits the socket and the lights come on, then job done! I presume it has no impact, the charger may get slightly hotter?

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Lucky

Try sticking to one brand - HP Compaq. I have five, all less than 4 years old, all use different charger connectors. Not only that, but the mains inlets are IEC, figure-8 or cloverleaf. Arghh.

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Easier said than done.

I spent Christmas away with family and left my Medion netbook charger at home. None of the other five or six laptop charger there would fit. All 19.2v, but different plugs.

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Medion?

And the moral is: Don't buy another Medion product until they start behaving too?

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@mccp re: Lucky

You must be (un)lucky indeed - as I have 4 different Hp/Compaq laptops between me and the kids here at the house, ranging in age from 2 months old to 5 years old, and all of them use the same interchangeable wall chargers.

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But I like Medions,

I bought a P6624 from Sainsburys a few weeks ago. No crapware to have to remove. And its charger also fits my Netbook,

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Tesco

Eight quid at my local Tesco got me a generic mobe charger with enough plaugs to fit all the various phones in our house form ancient Nokias to Crackberries.

It comes with a 12V and 240v power supply - both of which have a full sized USB outlet which you can use to charge up everything else.

(and it's the fastest thing to charge from as all the laptops and PC's here have shite USB power outputs.)

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Sounds great but....

I've been there and bought a couple of those over the years (one uk plug, one eu) and found that all but the connector I use regular gets lost. Sounds like a non issue untill you have a friend over who wantes to charge their phone and you're like "no problem, my universal charger should have a connector for that"..... then when you can't find the set of fiddly connectors you're like... "oh, maybe not"

So however it's happened (china likely helping) a big WIN that there is now 1 charger type which should work with everything. Plus if you're stuck then with the right cable you can always charge from your pc !

Pint, cos it's a wednesday and I'm REALLY looking forward to the weekend !

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Re: Tesco charger

> and it's the fastest thing to charge from as all the laptops and PC's here have shite USB power outputs

That's not the fault of the laptops and PCs, it's the fault of the standard.

A device charging from a real USB port is only allowed to draw 500mA. A dedicated charger can provide more than that, but it signals this capability to the device under charge by *shorting together* the USB data lines (well, it has to show a resistance under 200 ohms or something like that)

That means it's impossible for a USB port to be simultaneously used for data and for high-current charging.

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RE: Nokia

My n900 already has micro-usb. Thanksbye

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Not all mobiles are included, read the LARGE print

"New technical standards for data-enabled mobile phones", the important word being data,

There is still a market for for non data mobile phones, that are actually just phones, with a decent battery life.

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Would have been done quicker if a certain network vendor hadn't tried to block it

Apparently this standard upset a certain vendor of overpriced network equipment who spent a long time and no doubt lobbying money trying to block the whole idea of common DC power connector and voltage standards.

Bet that had nothing to do with wanting to carry on milking Power over Ethernet technology, I mean of course 100m of Ethernet cable is the best way to get power to the phone on your desk, not some nice common power connector that could be supplied on every desk by a monitor or some other device that doesn't cost $50 per port....

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Lucky Continentals with small pinouts - UK monster plugs fail again

As a technician my universal plug comprises two wires with bared ends - the damn monster plugs they use in the UK are far too big to carry around. Malaysia, Singapore and HongKong also use the UK monsters - as do some Singaporean owned hotels in their region.

Chinese outlets offer combo sockets - they even accept the weird Australian ones.

Don't forget plugs and sockets don't indicate the voltage - better to check the lamp/bulb ratings for that.

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China

basically took the Australian standard and turned it up-side-down (I used to like claiming it was because China was in the Northern Hemisphere and so up-side-down itself compared to Aus.).

The Australian configuration has the advantage that a two-prong plug (no earth pin) can only be inserted one way, which since Australia wires the neutral pin back to earth at the box (extra safety), is a very good thing.

As for the inversion: the Australian plug was designed back when plugs were all bakalite and the leads came strait out perpendicular to the wall. In this case, having the earth pin on the bottom made sense as a drooping plug would disconnect this pin last. When flat-to-the-wall plugs were thought up, the lead had to be bought out at an odd angle, so as not to clash with the position of the earth pin.

When China started to switch from the 2-pin US plugs to 3-pin Australian plugs, they had the benefit of being further forwardln time and put the earth pin on top, with flat-to-wall plugs with the lead coming out the bottom the standard (a pulling-out-from-the-wall plug like this needs the earth pin opposite the lead so it will dis-connect last) .

I have never encountered a better-thought-out mains plug than the Aust. one, other than the slight modernisation from China. So careful who you call "weird" :-D

Also, China uses 240V@50HZ so using an Australian-like plug makes more sense. Silly visiting USians just don't understand why their radios blow up and their electric clocks run fast.

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phone chargers and mains voltage

"Don't forget plugs and sockets don't indicate the voltage - better to check the lamp/bulb ratings for that."

It's irrelevant. The small phone chargers are invariably 100-240V so that they'll work anywhere.

The current crop of UK phone chargers are slightly larger than their US counterparts but I think you'd be hard pushed to call them too large to carry around.

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USian clocks

Running a USian 60 Hz synchronous clock on 50 Hz would make it run slower, not faster.

All of the mains powered electronics that I travel with are perfectly happy on 100v to 240v, 50 or 60 Hz; and one or two will even work on 400 Hz aircraft power.

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The Australian configuration has the advantage that a two-prong plug ...

must be like US 2-pin plugs which are also polarised to ensure the line always follows through to the equipment.

China seems to have an eclectic mix of plugs/sockets now, at least in the newer buildings, as they accept US/Euro/Australian connectors. Pity they don't have a world standard.

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onechargerforall.eu

and in the silence bind them.

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@Where is Nokia?

My Nokia E5 charges from the microUSB port (well it does when the battery's not been removed to reset yet another crash). About the only thing it does that's right. Nokia of course in true style, provide a proprietary charger. Aggh.

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