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The Anonymous hacking collective took revenge on a security firm that had investigated its membership on Sunday. HBGary Federal has been seeking to uncloak the identities of senior members of Anonymous involved in attacks against financial services firms, such as PayPal and Mastercard, that had suspended accounts run by …

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This should be good...

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Yeah...

If only I could remember where did I see references to this lot before.

The name definitely rings a bell. It is not the first time they have shown themselves to be worthy of working with Jim Henman.

Damn... It has been a very long time since I have put down the grey hat on the top shelf (and it was nearly white at that time anyway). If someone in the elreg readership can remember please post.

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+beer

and watch the show!

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If only I could remember where did I see references to this lot before.

Probably at ebaumsworld

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Back in the day...

... (October, 2005), Greg Hoglund (who founded HBGary.com) decided to take a look at the guts of Blizzard's "Warden" anti-cheat software. He noticed that it was doing a whole lot more than just watching the WoW client for "cheat-like" activity; it was in fact actively scanning various textual elements belonging to "foreign" windows (chat programs, web browsers, etc.). "The Warden" would then aggregate the data and pass it back to Blizzard.

The knowledge that Blizzard's "Warden" was performing such a thorough examination of users' systems gave it (Blizzard) quite a black eye...

However, like you, I also believe that I have forgotten something else regarding the early years of HBGary's existence. Googling hasn't turned up much... Yet.

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Oh Yes

It looks like Anonymous have go some new toys to play with, let the games begin.....

A beer,

A packet of Chips,

and fireworks.

Better than a movie...

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Heart

We are Anonymous.

We are legion.

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No I'm Spartacus ...

Say, isn't a body without a head just a corpse?

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For all that it's mostly an army of me-too morons

It would appear to have a very competent special forces unit as well, most likely made up of disgruntled and amoral black-hats with proxies and botnets all over the place.

Piss them off at your peril, it would seem.

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don't piss them

Surely everyone knows that's the first rule of the internet?

Can we have a guy fawkes / legion guy icon now please?

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From what I can gather...

this guy seemed to be trying to use the Legion to further his own career and that of the company he works/worked for...

Well looks like that's not going to work out to well for him!

You would have though a security consultant would be a bit more savvy.

I think "Pwned" would be the operative word!

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me-too!

Problem? =D

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Guy Fawkes

Better yet, can we have an icon that *isn't* based on a hopeless patsy who got caught and executed by The Man of the day, and furthermore is ritually re-burned every year by the common people?

Come on. I can't be the *only* one who thinks Guy Fawkes is the most nonsensical choice for wannabe anarchists, can I?

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Agreed

Except ... it makes for a much more believable icon / hero.

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History Repeats Itself

This reminds me of Great War generals ordering troops to march into new-fangled machine-gun fire.

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IRC

The reason they were able to launch an attack this strong on the guy is because they try to compromise the PCs of some "members" (by IRC vulns, for instance) as a matter of routine. They then have this in hand if ever they need it.

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Darker Corners of the Internet

Here be dragons.

Badgers icon for the lack of dragons.

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NOOOOooo

The dragons live in FF land!!!!! lol

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A security consultancy pwned?

They obviously don't practice what they preach ;)

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Re: A security consultancy pwned?

"They obviously don't practice what they preach ;)"

My thoughts exactly. Poor password strength, no measures against brute force/dictionary attacks, such as long time outs for each failed password after, say, 3rd attempt, and much, much more.

However, this will merely incite the appropriate bodies to work even harder at apprehending these people. It will happen.

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Pah. Security consultants.

The last security auditor I had to deal with suggested that we turn off FTP, because apparently it sends passwords across teh networkz in plaintext. No, really? Well, given that you've been *told* that this is a print server, and all they can do with FTP is waste our paper, also that it doesn't have a password, and even if it had one, they could still print stuff using port 9100, I don't think we'll prioritise on manually logging in on ~50 print servers.

Run the script, take the output, cut and paste it into Word, profit!

There are security experts out there who really deserve respect, don't get me wrong. But they don't work for the kind of outfit that ends every report with "And therefore you need to install our spiffy security package".

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CLAS and CISSP do not a techie make.

Nor a TDA, because offhand I don't know my TCP Port numbers, other than 1521. You probably wouldn't be surprised how often the blindingly obvious needs to be stated though.

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Re: Pah. Security consultants.

There are a few things to be said about ftp and security.

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&biw=1048&bih=829&q=ftp+secure+tunnelling&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&fp=2cebb34f216005c8

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You don't turn up to a gun fight with a knife

...unless you're Ninja.

(I have selected the Ninja icon, but you can't see it)

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Ninjas don't turn up for fights

...they are already there

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excellent work

another one for the good guys.

worst way to combat anon is to try and be sneaky and underhand, that's what fuels them and keeps them doing what they do.

best way is to stop p1ssing all over the rights of the little people, people you are supposed to look out for dear governments of the world. Stop selling us out to the highest bidder.

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Good guys?

Personally I don't think you should ever consider a group of self-appointed totally unaccountable people the "good guys". Maybe right now they are doing something you agree with but what if they do something that you don't agree with in the future? You have no recourse. I'll stick to calling people who are accountable (to me as a voter) and abide by the law as the "good guys".

And if you don't like some law (or what your government is doing) get off your arse and change it. You know you are living in a democracy?

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O Rly?

That is All.

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Ah...

"Personally I don't think you should ever consider a group of self-appointed totally unaccountable people the "good guys".

You talking about Lobyists, Bankers, Corperations and others who run our governments or Anonymous?

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OR more specifically, the likes of...

....Peter Mandelson.

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Re: excellent work

"another one for the good guys.

worst way to combat anon is to try and be sneaky and underhand, that's what fuels them and keeps them doing what they do."

The 'good guys'? Oh puhleeese, a bunch of skiddies. Also it would seem that you have not learned from this lesson, never mind the target; the point is to remain sneaky, to be undetected, to use passive techniques, to use a machine isolated from a main network in such a way that it is not attributable, to use highly secure proxies and, above all, to zip it up and not say a word. The old saying is 'loose lips sink ships'.

The rest of your loose cannon rant snipped

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Lol...

don't get me started, I still reckon he has lizard eyes!

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Nope

> You talking about Lobyists, Bankers, Corperations and others who run our governments

No, maybe in your mind they run the government but in the real world they don't. Grow up. If you struggle to spell long words correctly (or even use a spell checker) I'm not surprised your grip on reality is tenuous.

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It's a forum...

you got my meaning!

Is spelling all you could pick up on?

Paris, cause I bet she wouldn't care about spelling!

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Re: Nope

I think you're the one who needs to grow up and see the world the way it really is.

There is a ruling class in this country and it's not that mob in Westminster. I'm not even talking about the Royal Family. The Queen is a figurehead, nothing more. The political parties (if you can really see any difference between them) are all singing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to appeasing big corporations and stepping on the rights of the little guy.

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naive

"No, maybe in your mind they run the government but in the real world they don't. Grow up. If you struggle to spell long words correctly (or even use a spell checker) I'm not surprised your grip on reality is tenuous."

You don't have to be a conspiracy nut to see that financial institutions and corporate lobbyists have a hugely disproportionate say over how things are organised when compared to the rest of us. The idea that it's solely the government that runs the infrastructure free of outside influence is naive in the extreme and shows a complete lack of understanding of how modern society is arranged.

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Humph!

"You know you are living in a democracy?"

Can't be a post from the UK...

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democracy?

"And if you don't like some law (or what your government is doing) get off your arse and change it. You know you are living in a democracy?"

What, like when a million people march on the houses of parliament to say we don't want to go to war and they do it anyway?

If you think there's any country on earth that really runs as a democracy you are truly naive.

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Living in a... WHAT?

Sean O'Connor sez on 02.07.11 at 11:31gmt:

"You know you are living in a democracy?"

P'wah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahhh... oh, damn, I've wet 'em.

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Dude, stop digging...

...you're in deep enough already. (giggle)

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@Ted Treen

> "You know you are living in a democracy?"

>

> Can't be a post from the UK...

Or the US for that matter.

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Good guys

"Personally I don't think you should ever consider a group of self-appointed totally unaccountable people the "good guys".

So you agree the gouvernment are all crooks? And before you go all "but democraty" on me, consider what your choices are in that democraty and tell me if you really have one.

After all, what's really the difference between one politician and another?

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Re: Living in a... WHAT?

I hope you're going to take that amusingly exaggerated guffawing to Egypt, you arse.

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Re: @Ted Treen

Seriously, have a little goddamn perspective. Put the news on, or something.

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Blah

> Seriously, have a little goddamn perspective. Put the news on, or something

Sarah, having lived in the Middle East for the best part of a decade, I fairly quickly came to the conclusion that they have a more representative form of government than the "West". Please do not let yourself be carried away by the inaccuracies and stereotypes which you are all fed in this part of the world.

Not talking specifically about Egypt and the reasons why a certain, largely unpopular "leader" is able to cling to power for so long, but in general, I would suggest that putting "the news on" is about the worst thing you can do, as usually neither you as an spectator, not the journalist as a communicator have the necessary expertise in the subject matter being treated to understand what's going on. To boot, access to reliable information is often lacking as well.

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perspective

Sarah, I've lived in Africa and seen 3rd world dictatorships first hand. Thing is, there's plenty of corruption in the west, it's just more subtle and manipulative.

Put the news on? Like we did when the govt lied to us and said Saddam could strike London in 45 min?

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Wait a second!

You mean you're so naive to believe the governments are caring for the public interest ? You're cute!

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AND?

"Accountable ... *and* abide by the law?"

Oh! So basically your dog then?

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>>"Put the news on? Like we did when the govt lied to us and said Saddam could strike London in 45 min?"

And when did the government actually say that?

References please.

The claims actually seemed to be that some weapons could be ready to use within 45 minutes of an order being given.

Though being concerned about the precise timing always seemed very odd anyway.

If one country could attack a target within 45 minutes of being given an order by a bloodthirsty leader, and a second country would need many hours' warning to do the same, unless there was real confidence that in the case of the second country there would be time to discover the orders and intervene to stop things, should a potential target *really* feel much safer with the second country than the first?

If we knew that a country had had (and used) chemical weapons for battlefield situations, who would really have been shocked by a 45 minute claim anyway?

In any case, even if there'd been a situation where weapons would normally take some time to get ready, in any real conflict situation we'd have to expect that things may be put on a more rapid footing, so claims as to precise times seem fairly meaningless.

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Since it hasn't been said yet:

"I'll stick to calling people who are accountable (to me as a voter) and abide by the law as the "good guys"."

Actually, the general population votes don't really matter. There's plenty of sheeple that will cause your vote to get drowned out. Therefore, you don't matter, unless you can convince a majority of voters to vote like you.

"And if you don't like some law (or what your government is doing) get off your arse and change it. You know you are living in a democracy?"

The USA is actually a democratic republic. Representatives are voted in democratically (democratic is basically "everyone gets to vote"). These representatives then vote on actual meaningful stuff, such as laws. Therefore, not only does your vote not really count (see above), but you're even one step removed from the true voting process for laws. And if you think you voted for Obama, you should Google "Electorial College."

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