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The UK government says it hopes to "make the internet 100 times faster" by kicking off a £7.2m research project dubbed "Photonics HyperHighway". David Willetts, minister for universities and science, announced the scheme during a speech at Southampton uni earlier today. “The internet is fundamental to our lives and we use it …

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£7.2m per second

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This is broadband we're talking about

It'll be UP TO £7.2m per second!

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This is government IT we're talking about

AC said: "It'll be UP TO £7.2m per second!"

But the government are pushing it, and it's IT....(wait for it)

So the budget will START AT £7.2m, and go up by the second.

BOOM BOOM said basil brush.

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Lets all hope

That BT have absolutely nothing to do with it..

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Let's also hope...

... that the politicians have nothing further to do with it.

It's amazing how much that are able to talk, while saying virtually nothing.

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An open letter

Dear Mr Willetts,

Could you please turn your attention next to getting gas to this area? It has been available for over a century in some places, they tell me. It might get you no publicity but is sure to be a vote winner. Desparate times and desparate coaltions call for desparate measures, old chap.

Yours in hope.

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faster, more efficient...

how much of the £7.2m will be spent on repringting all the dictionaries with the new definition of the word revolutionary?

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"new concepts like cloud computing"

Says it all really.

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I'll bet his real motivations...

I'll bet his real motivation is to be able to download more pr0n faster :)

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No Cups Dummy

You plug the string in their ears , cups any size D or whatever total waste of money in the wrong place. Or with WiFi you only need a 6" piece ( Ho Ho ) at each end to make it work. Although you cannot rub the string piece to hard or the receiver person looses controlhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/graphics/icons/comment/pint_32.png

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£7.2m

The £7.2m is for the cost of the research project, not the cost of the actual upgrade.

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higher transmission rate lower data rate

look forward to more contentless HD flash videos of telling you of the thing you were looking for but not actually getting you any closer.

Parkinsons law for bandwidth: Shit will grow to fill the bandwidth hiding real data.

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Piracy....

Soon all the pirates will have downloaded everything then there will be a massive speed boost.

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On hundred times faster than what?

Is it 100x the 11Mb/sec I have now, or the 24Mb/sc it's rated at or the 100Mb/sec I could have with Virgin?

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100x faster

I'm assuming that since our core routers run at 40Gb, and the upgrades are already planned to take that to 100Gb that this extra is to take us to 10Tb

However since there must already be work in progress that increases the 100Gb, then this new research must go even higher :)

After all just giving everyone 100x 100Mb won't help because the 100Gb tubes will already be full.

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100 Gigglebits

Or 12.5 gigabyte - simple packet switching sends the overflow and my granny and she delivers it by bus , far faster, anything missing blame Blair http://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/graphics/icons/comment/coat_32.png

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Move along - it's just politician speak

Forgive me if I am being cynical but I've heard it all before - all leading to absolutely nothing (99% of the time), a squandering of of tax-payers' money (the £13billion NHS CRS debacle) or if we really do something that is actually innovative (computer technology), it will simply get nicked by the Americans.

Politicians would be far more credible if they actually delivered. Just fulfilling the promise to roll-out super fast broadband to every home in the UK would be a start. Never mind a "hyperhighway", we haven't got to the "superhighway" yet. Not even a plain "highway" in certain parts.

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Don't mistake the politician's blurb for the research that's being funded

The principal investigator on the grant (David Payne) has a world-leading track record in photonics, having been behind the development of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_amplifier">erbium-doped fibre amplifier</a> (look at the references at the bottom of that Wikipedia article). Without optical amplifiers, undersea cables would be more expensive and less reliable, so his contribution to the basic technology that underpins the global telecommunications network (including the Internet) is substantial.

Call this a squandering of taxpayers' money if you want, but this is the sort of investment in basic R&D that's essential to the future economic wellbeing of the UK.

(declaration: I'm a lecturer in the same department as Payne, but not one of his direct colleagues)

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Pollyticians speak hyper

My Parrot can do that 2http://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/graphics/icons/comment/pirate_32.png

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What in Public ?

Saw a polyti deliver in public once and it was not pretty - careful what you ask4

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So 150mb/s

Frankly, I would be happy with 10Mb/s at the moment. Downloading ISOs off technet is an overnight job and that is if I am lucky and it doesn't die 30mins after I go to bed.

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Ha!

To get to 2 Mb/s would be bloody marvellous.

Re. the failure of downloads, use a download manager . I always use KGet for any long-winded jobs and it has saved me a lot of hassle.

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What third world shit-hole do you live in?

I live in rural New Zealand. The only way to get broadband where I live is via a wireless provider using microwave infrastructure to cover the last 65km from a city.

I pay for a 2Mbit/s link. Most of the time I get over 3Mbit/s.

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Right now, I'd settle for...

...better than 2Mbps ADSL that doesn't drop the connection at random times of day and night.

And how is all this airy-fairy photonics stuff going to help me reach the vast majority of the sites I use, which are outside the UK?

And how do I go about getting a government that knows its arse from its elbow?

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We will sell you

A photon receiver , just send my brother in Lagos a Gazzilion pounds and he will shit ( sorry ship ) you a boxhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/graphics/icons/comment/it_angle_32.png

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"Hyperhighway"

Remember the Information Superhighway? That was a favourite with politicians. It's only a matter of time before Millenium Bugbusters put in a reappearance.

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This is gunna take a lot of extra serieses of tubes to acheive!

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Preferably balsa makes great tubeshttp://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/graphics/icons/comment/big_brother_32.png

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A Bargain

For only 7million quid they are planning to reinvent the optical, fibre, the nature of light, develop photonics routers and develop new materials with 100x the throughput - at least thats what their grant application claims.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a8_SWnCrhZoJ:gow.epsrc.ac.uk/ViewGrant.aspx%3FGrantRef%3DEP/I01196X/1+Photonics+HyperHighway&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&source=www.google.ca

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It not as far fetch as you make it out to be

Most likely given the pedigree of the team they have industry funding to an University internal grant an there own pot of money to, which could double or triple the pot of money they have available of the length of the research project.

An us Brits always get stuff done cheaply anyway an usually still better than anyone else, so I would not be entirely surprise if they achieve all there goals.

Commercialisation of new technologies is often the expensive bit an the part which the UK is terrible at an has been for a long time.

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Wrong target

Suggest they focus on implementing IPV6 first.

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out of date

Actually, Southampton were doing research on IPv6 when I worked there over ten years ago.

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Not there Job

Not there job, the protocol has be written, coded up , agreed upon by everyone but no likes spending money so industry never brother implementing it, which is why there will be a mad rush over the next couple of years as the current addresses run out.

If it any fault it Government they should of force companies upgrade there equipement years ago.

Hardware vendors have only just launch IPV6, But I am sure they will jack up there prices once the crisis hit an we ran out of addresses. I am pretty sure some Hardware CEOs will be laughing all the way to the bank.

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Hyper is it ( Bring on the Bitter )

"Photonics Hyper Highway". Said real fast by my dog is amusing. Emphasis on Hyper as imaginary things flying through the air courtesy of boffins , 100 x the speed of a tortoise does not make it a Ferrari no mater how many labels they put on it. These Bozos don't even know the difference between a bit and a byte ( 8 x bits ) and their literature shows it. How fast do you want it madam ? - get outa here. We are using ESP in Yankee land courtesy of our Pres so therehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/graphics/icons/comment/boffin_32.png

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Tortoises

Now, from the best information I can find, a tortoise walks at about 0.1 m/s, or about 0.36 km/hr.

Thus, 100x this is about 36km/hr. So maybe it's not a Ferrari, but maybe a small, old Fiat?

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What happened to all the fibre...

... that was installed at the height of the .com boom and subsequently went dark as prospective ISPs went bust? I thought that at least in the speculative economies of the west there was a good chance we have more fibre capacity than we're likely to need for some considerable time - if only someone can remember where the ends are...

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Please Focus On Access Technology

b/c the trunk lines are fast enough with EDFA DWDM fibers. The expensive part is digging up the streets.

Instead develop a 1Gibt/s version of Ronja or a simple and effective microwave link usable by everybody.

http://ronja.twibright.com/

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The problem is not the backbone

The problem surely is not the backbone, in the 1990s phone companies all over the world laid fiber optic to every telephone exchange. I doubt they put less than 100 fibers per connection there.

Now 10 gigabits per second per Wavelength is nothing new any more. You can have about 100 wavelengths per fibre, giving you a terabit per second per Fibre, or 100 terabits per second per connection. Considering the exchange serves roughly 10000 people, each one of those still gets a _minimum_ of 10 gigabits per second, usually much more.

The big problem is the connection to the user. Telephone wires or cable television cables just don't have the bandwidth required for that. One would most likely have to upgrade the last mile to fibre. Perhaps another solution would be something similar like nano-BTSes on UMTS, only supplying a few people with fibre, and using MIMO technologies to service the rest. Of course nobody in their right mind would want to pay for something like that.

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omission

Shame the article didn't mention anything about the technology itself.

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Skeptical

Reading it form several other sources, including the official site and the name itself suggest that all they're proposing is to bring optical technology into the hardware like the router and switches.

Which I'm pretty sure private companies have already started this area of research as the close to market LightPeak already shows.

Basically it still relies on Fibre Optics cable unless they're saying they can solve FTL travel, so in the end, bandwidth is still limited by the cables, they're just making sure it's more effectively utilised.

7.2 mil grant won't really make any difference except the people who's getting this grant, if they can successfully beat the Americans in patenting the technology, would make them billionaires using tax payers money, if not, they got a few years worth of living expense.

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great

when this comes in, I'll be able to hit the throttling limit in 2 seconds

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Le mot just!

Like the pun: a shining example.

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