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Google has rolled out an update to its search algorithms designed to reduce "webspam", aka "the junk you see in search results when websites try to cheat their way into higher positions in search results or otherwise violate search engine quality guidelines". In short, says Google principal engineer and search quality guru Matt …

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NICE!

I am SO tired of doing a search and getting 15 results that are just different sources wholesale copying the same content, especialyl technical forums are horrible about this...

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Alternately

They could just send a brute squad around to so-called SEOs and whack them in vital bits until they agree to stop.

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Finally something

At last Google is at least acknowledging the search spam problem. Now, will they do something about the keyword search spam sites and the shopping spam sites that I keep getting in my search results? Take care of that, Google, and you'll have gotten rid of most of the spam results that I've faced.

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Bugger the Spam

The pages that get me are the ones that claim to be an article (or similar) along the lines of what you're looking for and then take you to some other search engine. One that still doesn't contain what you are looking for!

Seem to recall 'Brothersoft' being bad for that if you're searching for software

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I hate the spam!

Usually prefixing your query with "allintext: " helps filter out some of the junk. Only downside I've noticed is if you use it a lot within a short time frame, it thinks you're a bot and flags up a captca :(.

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Personal blocklist

Would be nice if I could 'blacklist' certain sites from my Google searches. There's a pile of useless spammy tech sites that just parrot original content - and badly too. But my top blocks would be those damn stupid 'comparison' sites that add no value and are of no use to anyone.

At the end of the day Google needs to get on top of this in order to stay on top.

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Block list

This would make it worth staying signed into google.

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@Wibble

"But my top blocks would be those damn stupid 'comparison' sites that add no value and are of no use to anyone."

Or, when you're looking for info on some piece of junk, errr, Fine Example of Ancient Tech that you just found in a dusty box in your grandma's attic, those sites that claim you can buy that gear from them, new, fully warrantied etcetera. Oh, really?

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OK, naming names

I mean sites like caio, pricerunner, reevoo, etc. Whenever one looks for a particular model -- and particularly if it's rather obscure -- these sites always come up and add no value as they all show the same set of vendors with the same prices, few reviews if any...

In short they're a waste of characters in the Google result set. I've never really found them to be of any use, e.g. adding any value to a search.

Let me give you an example. I bought a telly over Christmas. The one I wanted -- from LG -- wasn't available, so I was looking for a Samsung. All of these sites came up with the same set of answers. None of them listed the company -- Comet -- which I found to be the cheapest. I hate to say this but, like the Direct Line adverts, price comparison sites don't always work.

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Direct Line

I used to work for a financial services comparison site and got to see the data before we filtered out companies who had asked to to be removed. Things may have changed in the past two years but Direct Line's products never came out very well when compared to the rest of the market which lead us to conclude that their marketing copy about not being on comparison sites was merely trying to cover up their uncompetitive prices.

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Personal Blocklist - Good idea

I agree. I just want to be able to exclude anything from eFreedom in my results.

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Make it easier to report

I wish Google made it easy for users to report spam results. I certainly wouldn't suggest they automatically delist a site just because a few people report it (you can easily imagine that being abused against political sites and so forth), but surely those reports could be very useful in combination with Google's algorithmic magic.

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Next step

Make it so half my tech searches are no longer from "Experts Exchange".

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Expert sex change gradually going away

Expert sex change is slowly getting less dominant in my searches anyway. And they do sometimes have useful info, just click on 'cached' and scroll to the bottom.

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Bloody experts exchange...

Putting this in your query seems to do the trick

-site:experts-exchange.com

Though, to be fair, I haven't felt compelled to use it in a quite a while, so maybe they have tweaked their algorithms regarding that &^%£% site.

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Nothing wrong with EE

Not sure why people dislike experts exchange, just scroll to the bottom of the page - the "You must register to access the answer" is just there to deter the luddites I think.

I find MANY of my technical answers on EE and I've never paid them a penny.

By the way, for people who dislike all those bloody horrible comparison sites:

GIVE ME BACK MY GOOGLE http://www.gmbmg.com/

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http://www.gmbmg.com/

I like this too, but it seems a shame that google can't build in this approach as a filter icon.

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Tittle tattle must be contained

I'm immediately put off by EE claiming to have "the solution". I can't imagine any query I've searched on where EE popped up having One True Solution. That's just nonsense, and I've never even been tempted to look at their "solution".

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Good.

Great. Love stackoverflow!

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Next...

Can we eliminate sites with the google bot can read, but renders such that you cant? expert-s^H^Hs-exchange, I'm looking at you!

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Scroll my brother, scroll.

Nothing wrong with expert sex change - just always access via a Google search, never direct.

If you click via a Google search and scroll to the very bottom of the page you will see all the answers exposed for free! Do the same via a bookmark or direct search on the expert sex change site and you won't - it's just one way they get indexed by Google and stay within the Google rules.

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experts-exchange

Whenever I've had Google results from experts-exchange, I've always found that if I scroll down to the bottom, the answers are there anyway, it's only at the top of the page that they're blurred / labelled as needing a subscription.

That's not to say the answers will be correct, just that anyone can read them, not just Googlebot.

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The worst

If you use Google in a language other than English you can see many Wikipedia clones that grab the Wikipedia EN article and Babelfishes it. It is very annoying.

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:p

bigresource.com's still showing up near the top a lot ...

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Yes, their search algorithm is shiite! Has this happened to you?

Try searching for a review of any consumer product. In the old days...let's say at least a year ago, the search results would actually include several legitimate product review links to choose from. Since then, the Google Empire building engine instead mostly displays a list of sites claiming to have reviews but are in fact just reseller sites that have snuck in the search keyword "review". As we all know, the boys at Mountain View are incredibly talented and I can't believe they're either not directly behind this crap or don't fully embrace these bait and switch tactics for the additional revenue it brings in.

The bottom line is these increasingly irrelevant search results are getting more frustrating while comparable alternative search engines are nowhere to be found...Yahoo? Bing? Yeah...right.

It's now time for a new search competitor, let's call him David, to arrive on the scene to take on the Google Goliath. What say you?

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Called...

Doovid and Googliath perhaps?

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this helps

-inurl:(kelkoo|bizrate|pixmania|dealtime|pricerunner|dooyoo|pricegrabber|pricewatch|resellerratings|ebay|shopbot|comparestoreprices|ciao|unbeatable|shopping|epinions|nextag|buy|bestwebbuys)

That cuts out a whole heap of shit from search results, big thanks to http://www.givemebackmygoogle.com/ for their site.

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Re experts exchange

Think sites like that tended to vanish after Google looked for hidden content and feeding Googlebot one thing where the user got something else. They eventually stopped doing that and you simply jumped to the bottom of the page for the real content (ignoring the "register" links).

Now I think they've gone back to the original system and they seem to have vanished mostly from the results again. So in some ways Google is making things better, but it causes headaches for more legit sites using things like show/hide text.

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If it weren't for the OptimizeGoogle add-on to FireFox, I'd be really annoyed.

One of the features it offers is "filtering" of google finds.

If a google find is to a particular URL (or part thereof, wildcards are supported), it greys it out.

It's still clickable, thus accessable if you need it.

Really useful when I've ironed out the sites that demand payment for semiconductor datasheets the original manufacturer has for free come up first. Along with the sites that merely sell the semi in question, but offer no other information at all.

experts-exchange is no longer an issue.

Finding software downloads is by far less painful now that I don't have to battle with dozens of "SuperDuperWizzBangDownload" sites that demand payment or registration for the mere "priveledge" of being able to download files at faster than their normal retarded speeds.

It takes a while to add the filters in, but once you have, ahh, bliss. :-)

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thanks for that, my initial filter list :)

www.datasheetarchive.com

www.alldatasheet.com

www.alldatasheet.net

www.datasheetdir.com

www.datasheetcatalog.com

www.datasheetsite.com

datasheetz.com

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The Google algorithm is broken

Developers have been grumbling about the Stack Overflow scraping sites for months now. It's definitely been discrediting Google search in the eyes of geeks: if the algorithm can't figure out which is the original source of two identical posts, then what else is it getting wrong? The fact that Cutts singled the SO scrapers out by name makes you think that Google was worried - also you have to wonder if the fix is an algorithmic one, or just (as Google have been caught doing before), a hard-coded bodge.

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*YAWN*

Just scroll to the bottom!!!

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Fudge Factory

Who is working in the fudge factory sampling the output?

Where have all the people gone?

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Experts Exchange

Not sure why people don't like Experts Exchange. Just scroll to the bottom for the solution to your problem. Ignore the rubbish in-between. It's not difficult.

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Really?

Try scrolling to the bottom of this to get the solution -

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Languages/Java/J2EE/JSP/Q_21345435.html

As a previous commenter said, the reason expert sexchange doesn't appear to be hogging the result sets as much these days is because they aren't including the content in the page which is rendered to the user rather than the google bot.

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The title is required, and must contain letters and/or digits.

Personally, I've only ever come across about 2 or 3 pages like that.

The VAST majority are like this:

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Languages/Java/Q_20676650.html

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Well I couldn't with that link

But when I typed the question from that link in to Google, then clicked on the Experts Exchange search result, it gave the answers at the bottom.

You're welcome!

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Expert sEx change

is a really annoying site

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kill list

I want a kill list in google search.

I hate the datasheet for electronic component sites that want you to log in,

they always come up first in google search even when the chip manufacturers

have put the latest version of the data sheet up for free.

This would be first on my kill list:

www.alldatasheet.com/

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An end to 'Sponsored' results?

"the junk you see in search results when websites try to cheat their way into higher positions in search results or otherwise violate search engine quality guidelines".

What, you mean by buying their results to the top of the list using competitors trade names as trigger terms...?

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product names

Another trick is to add +problems or +faults to the end of the product name to get the real review site

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Experts Exchange

There seems to be a lot of hate here for the exchange, but I've found it useful in the past - particularly for little nuggets of weird-ass legacy application trickery.

As above posters pointed out, if you follow a google link to an experts exchange page you can scroll to the bottom for the answers. BUT if you hit the url directly you get the garbled page. Consequently I on rare occasion have actually found myself putting an experts exchange page url into google and following the hit to get around their paywall!

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They should buy

... alternativeto.net

Problem solved - at least for software choices.

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Search for : Bugger off

10,000,001 Results

GET INCREDIBLE PRICES ON "Bugger Off" AT NEXTTAG.COM

TOP NAME PEST CONTROL PRODUCTS AT LOW PRICES.

[sigh]

Yes, some relief from dimwit search search results (like the above example) would be welcome, even from a data mining operation like Google.

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