The Spanish Ministry of the Interior has expressed its regret that an international crackdown on IT masterminds inside the violent Basque separatist group ETA was dubbed "Operation Linux". Apparently, penguin-loving outfits are complaining that the antiterrorist operation sullies their good name. "The Ministry of Home Affairs …
No jokes around
ETA has killed over a thousand people (many children included).
Is the IRA a terrorist group or just a little nasty too?
Please don´t make jokes about this matter.
Beware the sliding slope.
Jokes are not allowed?
This is getting disquieting.
At first, one may not laugh at aimless weirdos blowing stuff up for no good reason.
Next, one is unable to talk badly about state-appointed psychopaths blowing countries up for no good reason.
Sorry, but no.
Sorry but jokes and humour, when used correctly have pulled countless millions through hard times. Without humour people would not have been able to band together and pull through both the World Wars and other conflicts around the world.
Humour shows these scumbag terorrists that honest, law abiding people are not scared of them and their pathetic tactics of inducing fear in people will not work. Should simply bow our heads and allow these people make us cower in fear? No way! You fear, they win! Something the UK Government still don't understand, constantly stripping our liberties and making us fear these "bogeymen" terrorists supposedly lurking round every corner.
Seth McFarlane for Family Guy and American Dad fame, has no problem with constantly mocking Osama or Saddam and others who deserve to be put in their place.
Laughing at terrorists is a) important and b) the opposite of supporting them. Terrorism works because people are crap at probability, and are kneejerjk artists like you.
State-sponsored or carried out by bearded loons*, it's all the same. Also, not that whether something is terrorism or not very much depends upon which end of the violence you're sitting, as people in both Israel and Palestine have noticed.
* No, not Alan Cox and John Hall, the other beardy loons, the ones that hate beer.
"Penguin lovers have been known to complain about things that are ultimately of no consequence whatsoever."
Like calling Linux "GNU/Linux". It's just a matter of time that the terminology nazis complain that it should've been called Operation GNU/Linux, blah blah blah.
Anyway, it does seem kinda weird to call a counterterrorism operation 'Linux'. Does that mean they're going to go after MS after they clamp down on ETA?
I bet RMS is angry as hell.
It should've been called Operation GNU/Linux, dammit.
RMS is always as angry as hell
..so I honestly lose track.
Waiting for Operation OpenBSD
That'll show they've gotten really serious about security.
(Joke! Joke! I run neither OpenBSD nor Linux at home...)
There are actually a few operations in progress...
There is Operation Vista, only they are still tied up in red tape - "Sit at conference table, allow or deny?" - and there's always the idiot that says "Deny!"
There is Operation HURD, but they've been in the planning stage for 15 years and no one really knows about them.
There's Operation Windows Phone 7, which sounds really exciting, but no one has actually seen them.
And finally, Operation Apple, who have only just recently begun to infiltrate other criminal networks.
his righthand woman, Itxaso Uritiaga Valderrama
I shudder to think what is lefthand woman is called
RE: his righthand woman, Itxaso Uritiaga Valderrama
The right hand is "the wife" and the left is "the other woman"
<-- "the wife" icon
"I shudder to think what is lefthand woman is called"
I think the name is Gonorrhea Nitxeria Eturriberrigoicoerrotaberigoetxea :)
Could've been worse...
...they could have called it Operation Snow Leopard.
If they;d called it operation windows phone 7 they would have been too late to achieve anything
I think you'll find ...
That it's only teenagers & evangelists who get pedantic over things like this. The rest of us just use it and get on with our lives :-)
Jake,I am as mad as Hell
and I am not a teenager, but an Octogenarian (what a big word).
Just as well I am having a cup of tea or I would have been even more angry .
Finally - Linux is loverly.
(and -Peace and Joy to all)
Well, elderlybloke, that would make you an evangelist, no?
Yes, Linux is loverly ... I've been using it as my main desktop for over a decade and a half. But I'm not emotional about it. It's a tool that gets the job done better than any of the other options, nothing more, nothing less.
Coffee here ... 3:15AM, and one of our mares is foaling ...
true comment is true
How long before Sarah Palin hunts down Linus Torvalds like Osama Bin Laden?
Please forgive the link. I couldn't resist.
"Iraitz Gesalaga and Itxaso Uritiaga"
Usernames that will stand up to a dictionary attack. I'm impressed.
Operation <insert a trade mark>
"Linux" is actually also a trade mark owned by Linux Torvalds. I don't know if he has commented on this or not, but I am pretty sure Apple would have objected, if the name had been "Operation iPhone".
That has a ring to it.......
isn't that one of theirs too?
"Linus" Torvalds. Not that I'm being anal, or anything.
Linux: a brand of washing powder
"Linux" is a brand of laundry detergent from Switzerland:
Maybe the Spanish thought their Operation Linux was some kind of cleanup.
The Linux community demands free electrical power
Because it should be free and GPL. And free. Because!
I can sort of..
I can sort of understand why they might be unimpressed about it, it doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the actions of the Spanish Security Service, having something you have a vested interest in used as a publicised code name in an operation that very well may lead to violence isn't something most people would approve of.
Everyone gets publicity from the bogus "controversy"
Just yawn and move on.
Just for the sake of correctness...
Please check the article, where it says "(...)Fernández, 27, (...)", it should be "Gesalaga, 27" as in Spain you bear your father's and mother's family name, and for this alleged terrorist it would be like this:
Father's family name: Gesalaga
Mother's family name: Fernández
That is if he has not changed the default, as you can reverse the order to be the other way around, (having your mother's name first), as I did.
P.S. Now, where did I put my penguin?
That's the same reason why some US-based stuff I receive insists on using my mother's surname as my "surname" instead of either the first one ro both of them. I actually like bearing both of them, otherwise I would have the same name as my father!
There are some fun cases, when someone's first or second surname are a composite one, and the person has three names:
Given Name: Maria Alicia Norma
Surname 1: Lopez Velarde
Surname 2: del Palomar
Full Name: Maria Alicia Norma Lopez Velarde del Palomar
Guess why I have to use varchar(50) for those fields when setting up databases...
PS: Latin American countries will do hideos things with their male population, putting them FEMALE names like "Maria" or "Guadalupe". Ow!
Could be worse
Imagine Operation Windows, doomed to grind to a halt and fail embarrassingly just at the critical moment, or preventing them from do something important. At least they picked a name associated with stability (hence being used for all those servers and website).
Re: Terrorist Group
Actually the IRA are trying to secure the reunification of Ireland. They are not trying to secure a seperate state for themselves.
The problem is that most people in Northen Ireland font want to leave Britain and become part of Ireland.
There is a treaty in place that says that if the people of Northen ireland did want to reunite with southern ireland then they can.
I actually despise the general use of the blanket word Terrorist. It's a stupid term applied to just about anyone that does not agree with government.
The Taliban for example, are fighting against a foreign invader on their own soil yet they are somehow terrorists.
still, branding everyone terrorists certainly makes it easier for governments to wipe them out.
Anyway, stupid code name to use, stupid non event of a story to complain about as well
as per title.
Or just "us Spaniards in the Castilla/Madrid region?" or "Us followers of the PP?"
Yes, ETA have been pretty much a violent gang, but they did come about thanks to the "Spaniard Hitler" known as Francisco Franco. Is it any surprise that ETA has stopped being so violent now that the Francoist lovers have been rooted out of power?
Of course, ETA wants an independent Euskadi country, which isn't quite a sensible goal for the Spanish government. But they seem to have softened in recent years.
"Is it any surprise that ETA has stopped being so violent now that the Francoist lovers have been rooted out of power?"
The surprise that after Franco died, when the Spanish Democratic constitution came to be all members of ETA were offered TOTAL AMNESTY?
The surprise was that against all belief they refused the amnesty, killing over 900 people during the democracy, and all for the same reasons they killed during the dictatorship.
ETA are terrorists, a criminal organization not too different from the Mafia, they are even extorting protection money to business in the Basque region in the name of the cause.
ETA never killed for democracy nor anybody's rights, they killed because they believe in their mythical country that was invaded by the Spaniards. An invasion that of course only happened in their imaginations.
Is it that the surprise?
Learn your bloody history man.
Francisco Franco is STILL dead!
= chirp chirp =
What ... no old school Saturday Night Live fans out there?
Learn YOUR history
" ETA never killed for democracy nor anybody's rights, they killed because they believe in their mythical country that was invaded by the Spaniards. An invasion that of course only happened in their imaginations. "
ETA did originally kill for democracy. Unfortunately, direct action of this kind ends up attracting the wrong kind of person. The internal politicking in the film "El Lobo" isn't too far from the truth, by all accounts.
OK, so Navarre wasn't invaded by Spain -- it was allied by marriage -- but the historical Basque nation is far from a "mythical" country.
You cannot disarm the power of groups like ETA by labelling them with the broad brush term "terrorist". Certainly they *are* terrorists, but that's only part of it.
Whether you are a supporter of Basque independence or not, you have to take into account the very real issues of self-image and collective identity that ETA draws its support from. If you deny the Basque identity, you push people who hold that identity towards those that do recognise it.
Respecting people's personally identity is the only way to undermine secessionist terrorism.
Personally, I say the same thing about both the Basque Country and Scotland. Give us a referendum, then we'll all have to live with the results and stop arguing about what they would be. In both cases, I'm in favour of independence, but in both cases, I believe that's a minority view and that the vote would come out as "no". So just ask us, please....
It's funny ..
You invade a country , bomb the hell out of them , massacre them , kill them , occupy the country
and topple their government and all of a sudden , for no reason , they resist and try to get you out of their country.The people who fight for their country are termed terrorists.
Like they don't have a choice to abide by what the US lays down as law in THEIR OWN COUNTRY!.
Well F THAT .If it was my country , id resist too and give my life for it.
Did you call the French terrorists when they resisted Germany ? Hell no !
These people are heroes to their nations.Not terrorists.The term is made for us to think that the US way is the only way on the planet and that the blame is always on the other nation. Well BOOHOO it aint !. The USA is as much a terrorist nation than those fighting for their freedom in their countries are. Think the drone attacks aren't terrorism ?
If these were to happen to the USA what do you think they'd say ?
Im gone for a drink
So we can expect to see the next operation targetting ill-doers called operation windows......and we can expect MS to just stand there and ignore it? Silly, what was I thinking, cue lawyers and threats of sanctions and removal of MS discounts (cough, cough) for the Spanish government.
Linux improving world security again...
Hey it's only a joke, relax.
When did codenames become publicity tools? (Desert Shield maybe)
The proper way to use a codename for military purposes is to maintain a central list of "random" codenames. When someone wants a codename for an operation they simply get assigned the next name on the list.
In particular you should never be able to infer anything about an operation from its codename.
Commencing operation "Paris"...
In other penguin news (BBC) :-
"The standard way of tagging penguins for science - putting bands around their flippers - affects their survival and reproduction, a study has found." Tag the terrorists instead.
There is no such thing as bad publicity.
Ciboure is also a Basque town, but on the French side of the border and is known as Ziburu in Basque. It is next to St Jean de Luz, which is Donibane Lohitzune in Basque.
"Penguin lovers have been known to complain about things that are ultimately of no consequence whatsoever."
I wish to complain about this remark.
Well, why not? In Spain they put out fires with UNIX!
Unix is a popular brand* of fire extinguisher in Spain, so extending the idea to a police operation
isn't so different.
*Made by "Universal de Extinctores S.A."
Someone who can install Truecrypt?
I could do that job.....
Send in a CV.
It sounds like ETA has a position vacant.
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