A California mother of three was cuffed last Friday for allegedly having sex with a 13-year-old boy she met in an Xbox Live chat room. Rachel Ann Hicks. Pic: Orange County Sheriff's Dept Rachel Ann Hicks, 36, of Lake Forest, allegedly posed as a 23-year-old woman in order to chat up the Maryland teen online, and the …
"...but federal authorities were eventually able to nail her." - Oh El Reg you spoil us.
To be fair...
She only wanted a go on his joystick =)
"The hunt was hindered by Hicks hiding behind a false name and age, but federal authorities were eventually able to nail her."
So they just looked up her Xbox Live account and got her address from Microsoft then?
Wow that must have soaked up the resources !
If this was a bloke and a young girl
there would be no funar funar only shock and horror, and somebody screaming 'think of the children'....
But looking at the picture I'm not 100% sure it isn't
... I think the mentality is still, 'any holes a goal'.
Wonder what achievement he unlocked?
Coffee everywhere! ;-)
the poor poor boy, he must be sitting there all traumatised now due to the interference of The State. I'm pretty sure he isn't the one complaining about having popped his cherry at 13 to an experienced older woman, so why would he be a victim?
It isn't like she anally raped him with an apple corer is it. Is it?
@ Sir Runcible
How do we know? Apple corers might be her kind of thing!
Why is it considered OK for a woman to rape a boy than it is an older man to rape a girl, or indeed a man to rape a boy or a woman to rape a girl?
In all cases it's an adult sexually interfering with a child below the age of consent...
Never understood why the double standard exists that a 13 year old boy wouldn't be traumatised by this experience. If the genders were reversed, there would be no question of whether an "alleged victim" existed.
It may sound Penthouse Forum to you, but carnal relations generally require a degree of emotional maturity. Chances are slim it wouldn't exist here. Even though the boy may also be thinking "wa-hay!" at the moment, you've no idea what damage has been done to this child - emphasis on child.
Turn it around
"I'm pretty sure he isn't the one complaining about having popped his cherry at 13 to an experienced older woman, so why would he be a victim?"
Turn it around and replace 'he' with 'she' and 'woman' with 'man' and you'll see what's wrong here.
You seem to assume that most males are always eager for sex while few females are - that may reflect your experiences but don't assume that it's universal.
What does Steve Jobs have to do with this and what exactly is an Apple iCorer?
I WANT ONE!
The trench coat with my little wife's kindle in the pocket...... (naw, she'd kill me...)
would it be different if the youngster was a girl?
even if she consented to the act? and what if the girl already had a prior sexual experience would that make it any less cringe worthy?
just where are we as a society headed?
Ok, ok, I'll admit to a teensy bit of trolling here.
I know it's as morally unsound to defrock a 13 year old boy as it is a 13 year old girl.
However, as much as you may not like it, it _IS_ seen differently for a boy of 13 to have sex with an older woman than if the genders were reversed. Everyone* thinks this way because it reflects perceived reality rather than some moralistic forced equality. If we were all truly equal, then I would have tits and a vagina and my wife would have a strapping 12" cock**. Obviously I don't have a vagina (the moobs are going..honest!) so therefore we are different and not the same, QED.
Emotionally girls are probably more able to handle a relationship at this age than boys, but the perceived reality is the reverse..go figure - I didn't make the world, I just shit in it.
*By Everyone I mean anyone who agrees with me of course
**This is clearly an absurd boast
***There is no Runcilbe spoon
...it is physically impossible for a woman to rape a man (or boy) if you're talking about 'bog-standard' sex, you need to use different terminology.
Naturally it can cause emotional problems down the line, but when I was his age had the opportunity presented itself then I can't imagine I would have said no. These days it's much easier to see what it's all about due to the profusion of internet porn, but in my day the best you'd have seen was rather tame photos in a magazine that was far less clear than the modern equivalent.
carnal relations generally require a degree of emotional maturity
If it were true, the world population would be much, much less.
Didn't see that on the YouTube clip.
I may be wrong but I think the point about emotional maturity doesn't relate to the ability to HAVE sex, but to have sex in a healthy way and not get all messed up in the head about it.
Because it is pretty difficult for a woman to have sex with an unwilling male. Sex is seen very much as something a man does to a woman.
If I get unwanted attention from a woman I don't fancy, it is mildly annoying. Unwanted attention from a man (I'm not into them at all) worries me a lot more, because there is the possibility of something happening that I don't want to happen. Similarly women are a lot more scared of unwanted attention from men they don't fancy.
All XBox buyers should have a DNA sample taken at point of sale to avoid this sort of thing happening again.
Or should that be pizza box buyers.
The way it's going...
I wouldn't be surprised if they do =)
<-- says the one who covers the Kinect camera when not in use
Subliminal ad campaign by Microsoft?
I can just imagine how traumatised the 13 year old boy must have been when he was offered sex by an older woman - what a nightmare for any pubescent male teen..
13 year old boys all over the world will be rushing to the shops with their pocket money as we speak!
Not something you should have to ask but...
Why is it never paedophilia like it would be for a man?
Re: Not something you should have to ask but...
Who said it's not?
Nobody said it wasn't...
...but nobody said it *was*, and I think that's his point. While the charges of "molestation" are frequently mentioned in cases like this, the tag "paedo" doesn't tend to stick. But then this isn't the NoTW, so it's not a label that the Reg throws about anyway.
Re: Nobody said it wasn't...
I don't know that the word 'paedophile' is always used in cases where the genders are reversed. It's generally implicit in the reporting. It doesn't look to me like she's getting any sort of special treatment or easy ride (ahem) because she's a woman.
So it follows that I don't think there is an issue specifically on this level, and we can all safely skip that and get straight to the usual screaming about the other issues.
Because it isn't paedophilia.
If it was, the boy woudl not have been able to maintain an erection and have sex with her.
You (and the knee-jerk NoTW-reading morons et al) need to look up the definition of the word. Paedophile does not mean what you seem to think it does.
If he's reached puberty, then it's simply under-age sex.
It's properly termed...
...Ephebophilia, or possibly Hebephilia - see for example:
I get so tired of so many people using that word without understand what it means!
makes me sad
I feel sorry for the woman. sure she isn't a pervert or malicious or anything. just a bit dumb really....she looks so confused and sad in that photo, like she doesn't know what she's done wrong. plus, like many people have said - i'm sure the 13 year old buy in question was more than happy to go along with her suggestions (and probably made a few of his own). lot of fuss over nothing much imo.
Dude it's still wrong!! (Not to mention illegal)
Just because she looks a bit sad doesn't lessen the crime.
Engage brain before operating keyboard
Of course she looks sad and confused - she's been nicked for doing something illegal and immoral and is feeling all sorry for herself. I'm 36. If I posed as 23 with the intention of doing the same thing with a 13 year old girl - even with her explicit consent, and don't think that doesn't happen - I'd be rightly condemed by society and the state.
What's the difference, genius?
This was premeditated grooming of a minor. It's illegal everywhere. It's understood to be outside the boundaries of decency - everywhere. Glad you used IMO in your post. For future reference. Keep the O to yourself.
Re: makes me sad
Would you still feel the same if it was a 46 year old confused male who was the perpetrator?
>like she doesn't know what she's done wrong
She's a mother of three, are you also suggesting that she told her own children that it's alright for them to have sex at 13 with someone who's 46?
Re: AC 15:27 GMT
You said, "It's illegal everywhere." Clearly referring to the act of an older woman having sex with a 13 year old. To be strictly true, it isn't legal everywhere. For example the age of consent in Spain is 13 years old. In some parts of Mexico the age of consent is 12. In Japan, the federal age of consent is 13; but most prefectures have local laws that change this.
Of course, in this case, even in Spain the woman would be committing an offence by the use of deception.
Sorry about this ....
.... but I'm wondering if, like so many popular games out there, she has included a multiplayer co-op campaign.
Also I'm sure there are plenty of references to noob tubes etc. Aaaaand on that note I will leave it there.
I bet lots of young girls would not mind the roles reversed either actually, but it doesn't make it right. They don't know what they're getting into (!)
The biggest d*cks are the people saying anything remotely close to "hey I think he probably enjoyed it!" Or, "No big deal, he lost it to an older woman!"
Just speaks to where this world is going as a whole.
....just wait til 18, please. Or, better yet, a meaningful relationship.
Why 18? And I think most people lose it in a shitty, rushed experience before their parents get home from work at 15-16...seams to be the pass of rights
Where this world is going?
Perhaps, but it's also where the world is coming from. If I'm not mistaken the common law age of consent was 12.
"home from work at 15-16"
That's a pretty precise estimate of the time of arrival there..oh wait..
I think the age of the "alleged" victim tells you why it's wrong.
@Those above regarding any hole being a goal etc.:
I actually think that's part of he reason that sexual relations with "a minor" is illegal in most societies -- while hormones may allow it sometimes emotions and intellect are not ready. The boy may not be traumatised but perhaps she persuaded him not to use a condom, or did "use an apple corer" -- at his age he may be more easily manipulated. Perhaps he even did regret it afterwards, and he will now not be able to wear a funny bracelet and say he's saving himself for marriage if he wants to.
Then there's her motivation -- she's not ugly, and most single guys in their late teens and early twenties are still of the "any hole's a goal" mindset so why didn't she try for someone at a bar of even college campus (assuming consent in that state is 18 etc.)? Sounds like she's a manipulator and likes to take advantage of children -- which isn't a particularly innocent motivation.
@maclovinz: Why? So the first time with the one you love can be even more awkward and be over quicker (sorry, I'm at least half-joking)?
To those talking about rape
Rape is non-consensual. Nothing about this story suggests that rape is a subject being discussed here.
The premeditated actions the woman carried out were certainly immoral, but please don't confuse the issue by talking about a completely different offence.
re: To those talking about rape
"Nothing about this story suggests that rape is a subject being discussed here."
Apart from the victim having not reached the age of consent.
re: To those talking about rape →
You can only consent if you deemed to be old enough to consent. In many places, this is indeed classed as rape.
Incorrect. You cannot consent as a minor. Even if he wrote down, drew pictures of what was going to happen and recorded a video saying 'woo hoo - MILF love for me tonight boys', it's still statutary rape.
So, you know, wrong and that.
.."statutory rape". The idea being that a 13 year old boy is legally incapable of giving informed consent, so in the law's eyes it's still non-consensual.
Nobody is confusing the issue - in fact the argument exists that as the child grows older and develops maturity, they grow to realise that it was in fact non-consensual and the trauma gradually grows.
RE: To those talking about rape
Statutory rape (it may have a different term in the USA) is a crime and is non-consensual because the victim is not legally permitted to consent. It's a subtly different crime but is not difficult to understand.