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Mozilla’s Firefox just pipped Microsoft’s Internet Explorer to the European post in December, with the open source browser grabbing slightly more market share in Europe than Redmond’s own surfing tool. According to StatCounter, which monitors browser usage, Firefox scored 38.11 per cent, while Internet Explorer pulled in 37.52 …

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Meh...

I don't care about marketshare (as clearly those with the biggest pockets are best placed to push their products), I care about features, performance, style, security.

That's why I use Opera.

I feel sorry for those that can't be bothered to explore alternatives, or just believe everything they read in a Microsoft/Apple/Google/Mozilla press release.

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Oh I see

"I feel sorry for those that can't be bothered to explore alternatives, or just believe everything they read in a Microsoft/Apple/Google/Mozilla press release."

Reads a lot like:

"I feel sorry for those that don't use my favourite browser, or won't listen when I stamp my feet and tell them they're all sheep."

Personally I've chosen a combination of Firefox and Chrome. That's right, *chosen*. I don't even read press releases.

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Ahh, the old Opera cos I know best card.

Good luck with that, then... particularly with its shoddy, 5 year late implementation of add-ons, widgets cum media internet server cum e-mail client cum notepad bloat, numerous broken web pages, text boxes that don't submit when you press enter, collosal memory usage, piss poor drag and drop link support blah blah blah.

If there was ever an example of a browser that doesn't know what it's supposed to be anymore, developed by a company clutching at straws in a desperate bid to get noticed, it's Opera.

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I feel sorry for you

Anyone that emotionally attached to a browser has problems.

I seem to remember responding to almost exactly the same post the last time anyone mentioned browsers. If you could stop pasting this crap into every browser discussion, we'd have one less annoying Opera fanboi around, which in my case would make me more inclined to use it.

Still wouldn't though. I prefer Firefox. Yes, *prefer*. As in "I have tried Opera and I prefer Firefox." Honestly. Not even kidding. It is possible, you know.

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Opera - bloated and shouty

I've tried Opera several times

I've tried to love it's UI from the 90's and it's inability to work with most of the content I want to view.

I've given up and gone back to a browser that doesn't needs the EU to hold it's hand and buy it friends

My default is Chrome but I keep a shiny up-to-date version of IE9 around because it works pretty well and frankly it's better than Firefox these days

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LOL

, you really believe all that crap you have obviously picked up by reading the Mozilla forums...

Why not take Opera 11 for a testdrive, almost all your arguments will look rather silly. Opera uses less memory, less resources and smaller download than Firefox, but is 3x faster and 10x more functional.

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Troll

Funny

It seems to be populated by a few more today, that's for sure.

Anonymous ones, too.

hmm

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Ah Opera!

This the same "Opera" that has a bigger surfing-habits database than even the mighty Google, as reported on the The Reg some 2-3 months back?

Yeah I'd trust a company that wants to harvest my surfing habits!

Get back under your bridge troll!

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Chrome & Opera Leave Firefox Standing

Tried Chrome on my Notebook and it hangs at times which is something Opera doesn't do. So on a lower end Machine it works better but then again it is written in machine code

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Nice try, hipster.

Tell your revered Opera developers to maintain their ports more carefully. I don't like a web browser that crashes just because I closed a webpage that had a Java applet in it, nor a web browser that, for years and possibly to this day, has had a well-documented history (on several platforms, including Linux on x86) of spawning broken plugin wrapper processes that pile up until the CPU gags on it.

Or are you also going to play the "it's your fault for not using Windows and x86 and the awful software is innocent" card, too?

Step outside what the Opera people think is a popular platform and you'll discover a buggy piece of inefficient software that nobody seems to have bothered testing--and if they can't be bothered to test a port, then why are they bothering to continue building and releasing it?

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so?

any news on the notepad vs kedit wars?

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Kate

Kate FTW!

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Nah....

edlin all the way.....

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Barbarian !!!

vi is the only way - and don't let any of those emacs heretics tell you otherwise

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Result just in...

emacs won

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nano!

It works, bitches!

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Magnetised needle

FTW

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and curse those jpico heretics

It sure does!

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By Country

It's interesting looking at their stats by country, the far west of Europe is much like North America while further east is where the Firephiles come in. South America is also interesting.

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Opera?

"That's why I use Opera.

I feel sorry for those that can't be bothered to explore alternatives, or just believe everything they read in a Microsoft/Apple/Google/Mozilla press release."

People have explored alternatives, this is why Firefox leads, they think Opera sucks!

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Opera User

Opera is my browser of choice at home, but the point of having different browsers is you can try and pick the one you like. I like Operas interface and if required I have Firefox portable on a usb stick which is really handy!

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Try Opera@usb

Portable opera.

No need for bloaty firefox.

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Or even Opera 11

Opera 11 gives an option for portable install from the standard installer now. Just click Options on the first install screen.

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Why doesn't Opera grow?

You'd think even even through Opera users telling their friends, it would inevitably grow, if it's truly so far ahead of anything else.

To me there are only 2 answers:

1)It's not any better than IE/FF/Chrome

2)Opera users don't have friends

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Errm...

It's not backed by the biggest corporations on the planet (Apple/Microsoft/Google)...

It's not about product quality, the size of these corporations, they can bully and tie in products....

Safari is tied to Quicktime/iTunes

IE is Tied to Windows.

Chrome is offered with most other Google products and pushed everytime I visit their site.

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WTF?

What?

"Safari is tied to Quicktime/iTunes"

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So...

Why then is Firefox doing so well? Who's pushing that one on me?

Baaaah.

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heh

Haha, I've never seen a post on Opera that so eloquently put forward me thoughts on Opera. Every die-hard Opera user I've found has been a little... off.

Firefox grew from word of mouth, largely as the tech community started to push it. They've never bothered with Opera.

I wonder if that's because it's just not good enough?

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Haha

Firefox grew from a word of mouth called AOL.

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Meh... so?

Well, if you are a web designer then these figures will probably be quite pertinent to your work.

As a business, your customers' choice of kedit or notepad does not affect sales revenues. Their ability to see or buy from your web site does.

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Good.

Hopefully, this will finally convince the last remaining few followers of the "This Site Is Best Viewed With Internet Explorer 6 on A Colour Monitor" school of web design that it's not the customers that suck, it's their web development platform.

Mind you, it has improved a lot in recent years. It's also a nice comeback for the idiots at "why firefox is blocked.com". Several big players in the browser market makes for an environment where you can't favour one, and are therefore more or less forced to stick to standards.

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whyfirefoxisblocked.com

I can see their point, but AdBlock Plus doesn't come with the browser - it's my choice to install it. So don't be pissed off with Firefox, be pissed off with me. I probably won't listen, but take your best shot.

In fact, when it comes to browsers with oh-so-superior ad blocking technology built right in, shouldn't they be going after...Opera? ;-)

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LOL @ whyfirefoxisblocked.com

Oh good, it filters out the loser web sites for me!

So their philosophy extended is if I don't clink on some stupid ad when I go to a web site then I'm stealing?! Get real, and grow up. How petty and stupid can people get?!

Seriously I have a hosts file installed from MVPS AND Ad-block. It doesn't matter if I use Internet Exploiter, soap Opera, or my favorite Firefox (v3.5x BTW), I don't see any of the retarded ads that I'm never going to click on. Most especially those disturbing stretch mark animations that make me want to hurl or any other gross, offensive, or disturbing Internet ads.

... Oh! That reminds me I haven't updated my hosts file in a while.

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

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re: whyfirefoxisblocked.com

They are trolling, surely?

And their solution to the problem? Use the IE rendering engine!? WTF?

Not to mention the numerous logical contradictions in their shitpile^W argument:

"[Firefox users] are even smaller in terms of online spending" Okay, so if that is true, then why do you want Firefox users to look at your adverts? For fun? For their health? As an ironic joke? Why?

And then you tell them to use another browser, as if that will cause them to suddenly start spending all that gold bullion they must be saving. Sorry, stealing, from the rest of society by not having the decency to go out and spend it on edible undies or whatever other shite you're hawking.

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Important for developers, not for users

Market share isn't that relevant for end-users - as long as it renders properly, it doesn't matter whether your browser is used by half the population or you just wrote it yourself.

As a developer, though, it's a glimmer of hope for us, and a weapon to use against lingering legacy IE-only problem software. There was a time when companies could say "well, IE's used by 90% of our customers, so screw the rest" - somehow this was acceptable to them, even when they'd never have accepted their physical stores being unusable by left handed people. Now, even the dumbest outfit should struggle with "our site only works properly for a minority of people"!

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Firefox blocked

"why firefox is blocked.com"

Never seen this before!!! What a retarded site!

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Can anyone...

give an example of a site which actually re-directs there when visited using Firefox? Please?

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Fail!

Imagine a shop saying "we refuse to serve 40% of our customers".

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Netscape???

From http://whyfirefoxisblocked.com/

"Netscape users can simply set their browser to IE mode to continue to enjoy the site that sent you here"

Well, the site (El Reg) that sent me here was using..Firefox. YAAAYY!

Netscape? Does the Anonymous Coward needs a bit of oil for his Abacus calculator?

Sodding retard site, indeed.

The Muppet who posted here is sounding like the complete retard from FOX who said that - effectively - going for a 'brownware dump*' , or making a cup of tea during the ads. was "stealing".

Sheesh.

* "Brownware Dump". Thanks, BOFH, but I think the expression needs a Service Pack upgrade.

Don't you think "Going for a Vista" sounds better???

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Easy..

http://whyfirefoxisblocked.com/

Tried with IE 6. Maybe because Firefox was still active, I got the same page. Don't have time to research further..

Epic Fail!!

Children writing scripts, I guess. I'm sure the new Lab-lib Lib-lab flip-flop will be urgently investigating this, with their new VAT increase money...Nah.

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Interesting numbers

UK, Italy, Spain, Denmark- IE dropped over year but still at 50%

Germany, Hungary - Firefox stable at about 50-60%

France - IE dropping to around 40-45%, IE stable at 35%ish

Netherlands - IE at 60ish, FF at 25ish

(then got bored looking up countries)

Are we seeing cultural preferences for browsers, or for StatCounters software.

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the debate

IE's domination came very close to destroying the web's open nature, what with its own interpretations of HTML and proprietary technologies like Active X which if widely adopted would have locked out other vendors forever.

I really hope that we continue to see no vendor with more than 50% of the web, and better still, no more than 40%. It is this diversity that has ensured more focus on web standards both by browser vendors and web sites.

And the present level of browser development has seen huge improvements in stability and speed for all browsers (the javascript engine race being a great example).

Regardless of what browser you use, you benefit from a market where there is real competition.

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block more...

LOL that FF blocked website is hilarious. I use ADBlock+ on Chrome so please add Chrome too :D (the domain should still be available!)

and of course new line of TVs that don't allow you to change channels during commercial breaks and turn volume up!!

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Title

I use IE 8. It's free, its protected mode is very secure and it boots up a lot faster than FF. Job done.

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And..

I use Opera. It's free, it's very secure whereas IE has unpatched critical vulnerabilities( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/03/ie_0day_leaked/ ), and it boots up a lot faster than FF. Job done.

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re: IE 8 boots up a lot faster than FF

IE doesn't load much faster than FF, Windows just pre-loads some of its components so it appears to load faster when you click the button. There is a pre-loader for Firefox that does the same trick (or did - I don't know if it works with the latest versions). These days I just use Linux, leave my apps open when I hibernate it, and don't reboot for weeks at a time.

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IE not free

You purchased IE.

Microsfot forced you to pay money for IE. It came illegally bundled with the OS. It came illegally commingled with the OS.

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What?

Then how do you explain Opera and Chrome open faster than IE?

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safari is bollox

and i'm a mac fan....FF was good but now takes 3 weeks to start, so do i choose opera or chrome.....there's only one way to find out.....

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