>>"BT just upgraded their backbone, there is no reason whatsoever the UK cannot have uncontended access with the relatively low speed of our connections here- the technology is available. The two barriers to this are a) BT's profiteering off it's monopoly, and b) ISPs having created this myth that there is a major bandwidth shortage, no way to solve it other than destroying the customer experience. There is no fundamental reason the UK has to have this severe bandwidth shortage."
So BT have paid for a backbone upgrade that they don't intend to use?
In any case, surely in any sanely designed network, there's likely to be contention, it's just that given enough capacity the contention might not get in the way of most people's usage, as long as not too many people are taking the piss.
If I (or almost anyone else) had a 100mbps connection, I wouldn't be likely to be using the full capacity all the time, or anything near that.
Given that, it wouldn't make any sense if the rural exchange I connect to actually had sufficient connection to the wider world to allow me and all my neighbours to all use our connection flat out all the time - it would just be a waste of money (that I'd have to pay for).
As for other countries, some may well have a cheaper/faster deal, but we're nowhere near the most expensive country for net access.
Even if you have somewhere where people can be on 100mbps connections, that's not necessarily uncontended - it could be that most users aren't actually doing much more than the average user here is, and the few people really using their connections are being subsidised by the rest (as they are elsewhere).
>>"Try connecting to a service like say Giganews using their SSL tunnel on many UK ISPs, ... they're capping bandwidth baed entirely on the provider. This is very much a breach of net neutrality."
And are they doing that because they hate Giganews, or because they reckon that slowing down a few people pulling down lots of large files improves service for other people and/or allows more sufficiently-happy customers to be serviced?
Who actually *cares* that it's 'a breach of net neutrality', apart from a few people doing a lot of downloading?
>>"Indeed but we're already paying enough, when we pay more than others, and are getting far less for it, the problem can only be a combination of higher profits and greater inefficiency from the likes of BT and ISPs - this is not our problem, but we're being forced to shoulder it. Not enforcing net neutrality just encourages this and allows them to get away with it."
But if 'they" are overcharging us now, when they're not neutral, do you think that forcing neutrality would actually improve services for the average customer, or lower prices?
Do you think that it'd make BT/ISPs decide to drop their profits?
Or maybe they'd just get rid of unprofitable customers, rather than trying to moderate their usage.
Would the all-you-can-eat restaurant lower their prices, or provide more food for everyone if they were required not to serve some food slower to some heavy eaters.
Or would they just tell the heavy eaters to eat elsewhere, if they reckoned that they cost more than they paid?