Have you ever considered the qualities a game needs to feature on your own favourites list or any top ten gaming list for that matter? Opinions vary for sure, but for me it really must be like nothing you have ever seen before or at least innovate in such a way as to be stand-alone phenomenon in its genre. Many alcohol-fuelled …
Top 10 retro games???
The last two don't look very "retro" to me!
To me, "retro" would be Donkey Kong, Galaxians, Defender, Scamble, Millipede, Jet Suite thingie (what was his name now?), Monster Maze, ....get the idea?
Blimey, kids of today, eh?
Jet SET ....
Jet Suite thingie ...
Do you mean Jet Set Willy? A fine game, but he started out as Manic Miner if you really want to get all retro.
right. give me Defender
Sad though it sounds, Defender is still my all time greatest, anyone know how to get it or a up-resolution version onto android or PC? Kids were quite impressed by it - didn't know what hit them really, as a benchmark its still a really hard game.
I've got this
It's a total labour of love. Even sound-effect bugs were re-created. Haven't tried it on Win7 but XP32 managed it.
Also comes with 'Joust'!
Should have stuck with earlier games
So that Syndicate, Magic Carpet and Tie Fighter would have made it in.
and what's more...
...thanks to Dosbox, I've just discovered that it now runs on Win7x64!
So much for getting some work done today!
Willy! that was it. Thanks. Oh... and yes - manic Miner ....and Dig-Dug :-)
And I have to agree with kevin3 though - Defender was my all-time fave.
Don't read this, look up
PC games only as the title says
Unless you're telling me Donkey Kong hit PCs sometime...
Well for me Retro PC games would be more in the Prince of Persia (2D one), T.I.M., Moon Patrol, Pango etc etc era...
Oh well as long as the young 'un wants to call Sim City 2000 retro then I humbly submit that
a. Completely wrong to leave out Duke Nukem 3D due to some feminist crap
b. WHERE THE HELL IS DESCENT??????
We're getting nostalgic about the 1990s already? I personally think more innovation in gaming occurred in the 8-bit days.
The progression of PC gaming has largely been about improving realism, better graphics, physics and AI. The Wii showed everyone that actually you need to improve the control mechanism and the fun factor.
Wii a progression of gaming??
Have you ever actually played on one or do you enjoy looking like a ragdoll being given an electric shock? The Wii is stuck in the 90's and not a progression in gaming, just an interesting experiment, and besides the article was about PC games.
wii wii wii all the way home
I have the wii and the xbox.
The wii tends to get used for novelty games when people are round, bowling and the likes, and the wii fit to pretend I'm doing my "regular exercise at the gym 3 times a week".
It it nothing more in my opinion than a gamecube with an motion sensing controller. Innovative at the time, though MS and Sony are now catching up.
The xbox is where the real gaming happens. Sitting with a controller. None of this moving about nonsense! :)
How can you have missed off Worms???
Surely the best PC game of all time... It's still the only computer game I have installed at home!
Hand grenade? The 2nd best weapon after the concret donkey!!
It always made me chuckle that spamming the chat box to bring up the madly ringing red telephone on your opponent's screen is actually in the tactics section of the manual....
As well as...
The section on 'dark side' play, tunneling and using girders to hide.
a banana bomb delivered by a careful jetpack flyby
...oh, the joys of overkill
There is a new Worms game
The new Worms is even better than the old ones.
But the best game not on the list is Transport Tycoon. I still play that game even today.
Too many shoot em ups.
Where are :-
If you want longevity,,,
You probably havent heard of Harpoon, but it came out in the early 90's and I still play it today!!
Was too buggy at the time to play, and most of the missions seemed to be launch missiles in the general direction of the enemy and pray they got a lock on a target before the incoming ones sank you.
M1A1 Tank Platoon and Gunship were quite good though, even though experience with some of the weaknesses resulted in easy victories.
I'd still kill for a really good WW2 sub game; every single one seemed to be too flawed to use....
Try Silent Hunter III with the GWX mod, best Submarine Sim out there IMHO.
But where is "Elite" in all of this?
The game that brought you the 'oh, is that sunrise?' moment for the first time. Just one more turn, THEN I'll go to bed / work / uni / school.
SW:KOTR is hardly retro; it was in the 2000's for Paris' sake.
Where is Star Wars: X Wing? or TIE Fighter? or Dark Forces?
Where is Wollfenstein? Where is NetHack?
Dam Rights - Where's Civ
All I can think of is that the Lucy never played it else it would be up there at #1.
Also, as she has said that she'd be looking at original games - why Command & Conquer ? - this was just Dune 2 with some minor tweaks (increase in the number of units for a start) and a change in the back ground and name of the sides.
I concur with the flaming man
Civ should be there, any one of them. And X-Wing. Retro to me is 10+ years ago and I'm sure that's a fairly relaxed criterion... Incidentally, that makes PS2 retro and xbox very nearly...
Agreed! Civ should definitely be up there!
Other favorites of mine include Caesar (I and II), Alpha Centaurii, Colonization, Lemmings, Worms, Wolfenstein (the first FPS I ever played)... some of these might not have been the best ever, but I think Civ definately places.
At least StarCraft and HalfLife are up there.
.... how did you miss the greatest of them all?
How can you possibly have missed what the vast majority of 90's gamers all had at some point?
Don't you mean...
Anyway, there's a distinct lack of pre PC era games on that list, not very retro is it?
I think the later VGA Elite+ may have been 90s, however the original CGA version would be 80s.
(Pirate: I must have shot thousands of them to finish both versions)
Shame on you
The BBC version has to be the definitive version. Especially if played with a 6502 2nd processor and a bitstick.
the "Vast Majority"?
If we're going to refer to the "Vast Majority" of gamers in the 90's, then clearly you're talking about the most GLARINGLY conspicuous absence of them all.
The only game I know of that not only generated a worldwide community, but had generated large tournaments that still take place every year carrying it's name.
Missed an alfull lot of Pre PC games
can't really have a pre-PC retro PC game can you?
A timely reminder?
Is it any coinceidece that R3play, the retro gaming and arcade expo is taking place in Blackpool next weekend?
More to PC gaming than just FPS
While you were so busy shooting stuff, you missed Leisure Suite Larry and Myst.
This ex-Netware user was also rather fond of nsnipes. (Ooh, I've just found http://www.winsnipes.com/. I'll have to try that later.)
Snipes rules (look it up if you don't know what we mean).
I think I am right in saying that nlsnipes (the one you want, by the way, Ralph) was the first multiplayer network game -- many a fun hour was spent in the school computer lab competing with up to a dozen other people, before a great many people even knew what a network was.
Essex University MUD (Multi User Dungeon) would like a word with you....
...I bought other peoples computer time to play this and performed my coursework on a BBC Micro. Probably explains why I got a 3rd....
Incidentally I went for interview to Manchester University and they were playing a 3d maze tank game on a network there in 1981 on a University Open Day in their Computing Science department
she included Monkey Island 2 at #1, presumably as a kind of avatar for all the Lucasarts adventures (my favourite's Grim Fandango), which are immeasurably superior in all respects to the Sierra crap. The gameplay works better (having points and 'game over' in adventures is stupid), the artwork is better, and the plotting is vastly better.
"the twist has to be experienced for its pure ability to blindside you"
Seriously? I find it very hard to believe anyone didn't see it coming a mile off - it was blatantly obvious from about the second dream sequence onwards (leaving Taris, I think). I distinctly remember waiting for the payoff for something like 10 hours of gameplay.
Still, great game. It has to be said I wouldn't _honestly_ count it as "retro" though. Is there really that much difference between it and, say, Dragon Age apart from graphics?
No Deus Ex? - "Every time you mention it, *someone* will re-install it."
That was the only glaring omission that I'd have included; there'd be a few more personal choices though - things like EF2000, Carmageddon, UFO, Red Alert, Civilisation, Elite II.
This brings back memories 50/50 split between the first few hours of Xmas morning, and long hot Summer days (which were of course spent in front of the screen, curtains closed).
I was in the war!
Gotta love those cunning stunts.
I am that someone.
Yup, you can feel satisfied that you have helped someone you dont know relive memories that we share.
Funny old world innit? :)
Nit-picking I know, but the screengrab is from the 1999 game Tiberian Sun, not the 1995 classic, as well as Diablo bearing an uncanny resemblence to a post-GDI/NOD-war era?
It is criminal that Black & White was included at the expense of (any) 80s platformer, or Civilisation et al.
Bond. James Bond.
Surprised you picked UT over Quake (which was surely the post-Doom gateway to FPSers) but most of the other games are spot on.
If you don't restrict it to PCs, however, my vote for the best game ever is GoldenEye 64 which nearly cost me my degree.
Quake 3 was just vanilla, whereas UT really kicked ass with it's innovative weapons and all new gamemodes. I am playing UT even now after 10 years. It never gets old.
No Xwing / Tie Fighter?!?!?
Excellent choices there! :)
Surely Masters of Orion 2 must rank up there? It must be the one game (apart from Elite on the BBC) that I have spent most time on. I also miss Age of Empires -- I find that there are too many shoot-them-up games on the list.
I approve wholeheartedly of both those games! MOO2 in particular stole too many of my hours and too much of my heart...
What no Civilisation?
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