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In what certainly represents the death of the British seaside pedalo hire industry, the Sun reports that hungry great white sharks have moved from their traditional hunting grounds off the coast of Amity in search of European flesh. Those of you who are tempted to doubt that anyone venturing out into UK territorial waters will …

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Oh Noeezz

>traditional hunting grounds off the coast of Amity in search of European flesh.

Splutter!!1 Damn! Soaked my keyboard in coffee! Again!!

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Great whites

I for one welcome our great white overlords.

Mind you, having been to Newquay, I can say for certain that from what I've seen, the surfers there are far from innocent!

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s/ass/arse/g

> for a poke at the devil fish's scaly ass.

You're not going on about that surfing donkey again, are you?

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WTF?

News? Sun?

"There have been sightings in the past but no photographic evidence, but that definitely does not mean they are not here."

Yeah, right. Big white last seen in mano-a mano punch up with Nessie.

"Today's stunner, Julie from Sevnoaks, is concerned that youngsters may be afraid to go in the water and hopes that 'something will be done' to stop the terror-beast from harming our children."

Tomorrow - more paedo terror form the deep.

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Anglers, eh?

I always suspect that when the sea's too rough, they sit up trees with sausages on hooks and haul screaming badgers into the air before clubbing them and finally drowning them in a bucket.

It's OK, badgers and fish are (to use AnglerSpeak) proud, noble creatures who actively seek out the baited hook in order to engage in a battle of wits. cunning and strength.

Anyway, best of British luck in outwitting an animal with a brain the size of a thimble, then hauling it up with the best Chinese technology your ooh-me-back disability dole money can purchase. Truly, heroes for the modern age.

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The difference between fish and badgers

Never tried fishing, have you?

No? Thought not.

A few points for your consideration:

Most fish caught by sea anglers in the UK are edible and are caught as much for food as for sport. Unless you are a vegetarian, the only difference between you and I (a sea angler) is that I'm quite willing to catch and kill my own food, while you get someone to do it for you.

Frankly, unless you *are* a vegetarian, criticising someone who is willing to catch and kill his own food, while you are quite happy to eat dead animals that have been killed by someone else, is hypocrisy in the extreme.

Badgers are, generally, not considered terribly edible.

Most sharks caught by anglers in UK waters are tagged and released (not killed). It is tagging by sport anglers that has allowed scientists to better understand these amazing creatures.

The skill in angling is not "outwitting an animal with a brain the size of a thimble", any more than picking mushrooms is "outwitting a fungus". The skill is in knowing your prey and its habits, reading the conditions and environment, etc. You don't need to outwit a fungus, but you sure as hell need to know where and when to find them and if they will kill you if you eat them!

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Pint

Hats off!

Hear, hear, Mr Cowherd.

I prefer a 12 bore to a rod, but I'll swap you half a dozen pigeons for a couple of pollock.

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Unhappy

Downvoted ...

for being a humorless git. Probably why he/she spends most of his/her time with fish.

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Downvoted

For being a git, full stop.

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Cruelty to pottery.

Sounds a good deal, though bass from the shore is more my thing.

Do a bit of shooting myself, but mostly clays.

Obviously its not much of a challenge trying to outwit pottery (which, surprisingly, don't have a brain at all), but there you go.

And the death threats from the CLF (Ceramic Liberation Front) can be worrying.

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Try to pull anything bigger than a perch and come again

You quite clearly have never tried to fish. I suggest you try to pull out something as trivial as a European trout. I am not talking about "The Old Man and the Sea" monsters or Siberian Tajmen which is the closest freshwater equivalent.

No, just trout. Not even rainbow, the real one which victorian industrialisation has made practically extinct in England. The one that is on average around 300g.

Once you have seen how difficult it is to land something that small that actually fights, please come again.

Disclaimer - I do not fish in England because if I catch something I expect to eat it.

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I thought...

1) Great whites had been seen basking in the Med

2) They don't like human flesh as we are not fatty enough and attacks are down to mistaken identity (and lacking hands, they use their mouths to feel; a bit like a toddler, coochie-coochie-coo)

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Meanwhile, in the Truro WeightWatchers committee room...

"They don't like human flesh as we are not fatty enough"

Hey guys, I think I've got our next poster campaign -- "shed that sharkbait".

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... wrong

> 1) Great whites had been seen basking in the Med

Great whites and basking sharks are different species, silly.

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What do great whites like to eat most...?

Depends what wildlife programme you watch, but 'seals' must occupy 9 out of the top ten answers.

Now, the grey seal is nice and large, and over half of the world's population hauls up around northern England and Scotland. If you want to find a northern great white, park your boat off the Farne Islands, not Newquay Harbour or Perranporth Beach.

I remember one naturalist being asked a few years back if great whites could be off the coast of Britain and he said that it's never been proved but might be possible since they would go where the food is - just that areas favoured by seals tend to be remote and far away from huge crowds which might be a reason why no-one has sighted any. Either that or they just aren't there...

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s/scaly/dermal denticled/g

@Rogerborg How is the extremely complicated task of getting a fish to eat outwitting? You can do the same to most land based creatures but I guess seeing it it actually happen makes it hard for you to convince yourself that the £500 pole (to save you actually walking round to the other canal bank) was good value. Oh - and the RSPCA would kick your spotty bot.

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good grief

irony and sarcasm lost on you?

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Cornwalls loch ness monster.

This is exactly the same as the blue fin mako shark fishing off the west coast of ireland .. one guy catches one and 6 years later the boats are still leaving daily for 'blue fin shark fishing' you have more chance of catching a wellie.

In cornwall nooones even caught one but there are thousands of people dying to part with their cash to pile into a rental boat to try.

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Sharks aren't the problem, humans are....

I assume these "anglers" are aware that the Great White is still on the endangered list so if they attempt to land one and are caught they can and will be prosecuted.

I really hate the fact that people go out of their way to hunt sharks, leave them alone. They have been swimming the oceans of this planet for millions of years longer that humans (in any of our forms) have been around. The ocean is their environment not ours.

Besides, I cannot be sympathetic to surfers in this....if you are going to dress up like a seal and go into an animal's hunting group you cannot complain when you have a shark nibbling on your leg. I mean, you would not dress up like a zebra and go prancing around the Serengeti(sp?) would you? You would be a lion's meal in no time flat.

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I do hope they are not going fishing for them.

Maybe someone should point out they are a protected species before they are carted of by the police.

I dont think I'd want to try 'catch and release' with one of those.

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To easy...

"join Quint for a poke at the devil fish's scaly ass."

so I'll take the pedant route: Sharks don't have scales.

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Too easy.....

....so i'll take the pedant's route: Too easy.

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Happy

Still too easy:

I'll see your "too", and raise you a capital "I".

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Great Whites

There should be no Great Whites off Cornwall. Its not their usual hunting grounds - although they have been seen in the Med from time to time.

We get Basking Sharks which often get confused by locals.

Other than that - we do get Mako and Porbeagle sharks which are of the same family and could be mistaken for Great Whites.

They are all pretty neat though and should be admired. They aren't a huge risk to people although a "sample/curiosity" bite may kill a person anyway. Human attacks are often due to being mistaken for seals.

Now if there were tiger or Bull Sharks sighted then that's different... They are quite aggressive and close to shore but thankfully not in this part of the world.

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Photos(hop) or it didn't happen

:n)

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playmobile!

We need a playmobile reconstruction!

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What utter bollocks

As a recreational diver I can only hang my head in disgust at the continuing misinterpretation of Great Whites as "monsters". Having dived in Southern Australia (where all the live bits of the Jaws films were done) and been in water, without a cage, with these incredible creatures I can definitely they are truly awe-inspiring.

Most people probably are not aware that Great Whites have been living in the Mediterranean for a very long time (Malta is a global hotspot for them) and yet not a single reported incident.

As for the fishermen - congratulations on attempting to worsen the fate of an already endangered species.

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Leave them alone, they are mostly harmless.

Exactly what SlackerUK said. They are awesome creatures to behold, and so long as you leave your seal impression at home they will leave you alone as you should them.

When will people learn to live and let live.

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"It may be a Marlin, or a Stingray....but it's definitely a game fish."

*hooper pulls as the line snaps and sends him crashing into the wall*

*quint picks up the line*

"Gamin' fish eh? Marlin? Stingray? Bit through this piano wire? Don't you tell me my business again."

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Recycled news

The Sun "reported" the same story in 2007.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article250568.ece

Didn't it turn out to be a hoax?

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Vic
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"The Sun" wouldn't know a shark from a shopping trolley...

> The Sun "reported" the same story in 2007.

They do it every few years, it seems.

> Didn't it turn out to be a hoax?

It usually turns out to be a Basking Shark. Again. And an idiot who can't tell the (particularly distinctive) Basking Shark's fin from a Great White's. Again.

Vic.

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Ahh, it must be Friday

No IT? Who cares? It's Friday and we all love stories like this at the end of the week.

Love the genius delivery - I got many a puzzled look from surrounding desks as I giggled away...

P.S. Check out the awesome pic the Sun pulled out to accompany their account if you haven't already!

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Awash

I'm confused as to the meaning of the word 'awash' in the title of the Sun's story. We're so awash with them that none have been caught, or even photographed.

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Avast

That'll be your problem: you're reading the Sun and expecting it to make sense and not be sensationalist hogwash.

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Ah, you need the right tackle?

Ok, let's see.

Oceangoing barge with salvage crane? Check.

2000' of heavy duty anchor chain? Check.

3' tool steel barbed hook? Check.

All I need now is a Sun journalist as bait and a weekend's fishing off Cornwall shall be mine.

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Endangered

Sooner these dangerous sharks die out the better. Same with those polar bears, when they go I won't need to carry a rifle. I'd be happy with that.

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(Written by Reg staff)

Re: Endangered

If you're serious then you're awesomely ignorant. If you're not, then er, I don't get it.

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'Serious', 'don't get it'?

That would be The Register comment section then. As we exploit the Arctic people shoot the bears when they are a nuisance or threaten human life. Working in that area often means being armed. Doesn't happen much in Norway/US/Canada/Greenland but in Russia it's a bit more lawless. Lack of ice for them doesn't help either. Fishing is killing great whites and removing their prey. Sorry, just the Friday depression about the state of things...

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I know you are kidding.

Penguins don't carry rifles,they use harpoons.

melty-

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Not worried

Until they get frickin lasers

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FFS

Does anyone seriously find the shark-laser combo funny anymore?

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Just another thought...

"Quite how it it takes to the innocent white flesh of Newquay remains to be seen." (One may seriously argue about the "innocent".)

I guess, they will turn away with disgust? But what do I know about great whites' preferences.

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Gawd/ess. The misinformation is appalling ...

First of all, I have personally caught a "Great White"[1], just off the coast from Bude (actually, just off Northcott Mouth). This was in 1978 or 1979. I have Polaroids, and a scar between the thumb and forefinger of my left hand as mementos. I released him/her. He/she didn't thank me. That's where I got the nick ...

Second, I have run across sharks of many stripes whilst surfing and boating here in Northern California, including Great Whites. Not a single one of them showed any interest in making me into a snack, much less a main course. But then I grok what "food chain" means ... and how it works ...

Try not to look like a wounded seal ... you'll live longer, in any walk of life.

[1] For small values of Great White ... only 3.5 feet, or thereabouts.

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Re: Gawd/ess. The misinformation is appalling ..

> I have personally caught a "Great White"[1]

> [1] only 3.5 feet, or thereabouts.

You probably haven't.

New-born Great Whites are around 4ft long.

There are many sharks - even in our waters - that aren't Great Whites. They are spectacular creatures when not threatened. Except Dog Fish, which are just lazy...

Vic.

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@Vic

It was a Great White. I have SX-70 pics to prove it. I am looking at them right now. I know what a Great White is when I see it. I grew up commercial fishing in Central California, GWs like to take Salmon struggling on the hooks of commercial fishing boats, and thus getting caught themselves.

Note that "3.5 feet or thereabouts" is statistically 4 feet, at least when it comes to fishing (I try to never estimate high when describing fish; it's the fastest way to be classified as a teller of fish-tales).

Unfortunately, none of the pics contain any landmarks to place shark & location together ... but the rest of the collection in the envelope clearly show us making ready at Bude's Strand, and the boat on the sand/pebbles at Northcott Mouth at the end of the day.

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Innocent white flesh?

Judging by the state of some of the innocent white flesh in Newquay, any shark taking a bite would die in unspeakable agony of something unimaginably horrible in about 30 seconds. I have an idea......

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Another Sun fake

The 2007 report in the Sun was a fake:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1559791/Cornwall-Great-White-Shark-photo-a-hoax.html

Is it possible that a Great White might be in Cornwall?

http://www.wildlifeonline.me.uk/british_carcharodon.html

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I reckon its possible.

I've heard of local fishermen on trawlers that have talked of sharks that poke their head out of the water a habit attirbuted to great whites and I don't think attributed to other sharks, and its just about in their operating range of temprature in the summer so it is possible to get great whites of the cornish coast.

We've already got some semi tropical species from the med in these waters like triggerfish so it wouldn't suprise me if the ocasional white wanders over from the med or african coast since its not a big journey for these sharks and they are known to wander big distances.

Suprised though if so that theres not much evidence of seals populations getting hit (unless they are just the odd occasional wanderers) since we have some of the biggest grey seal populations on our coast.

As for catching them hmmn for sciience yeah ok, but for sport what a waste of a beautiful creature, that isn't really interested in humans, even the more dangerous ones like bull, tigers, oceanic whitetips don't always go for humans were not their preffered prey.

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I can't believe nobody has said this!

"You're going to need a bigger boat" if you want to fish for Limey Jaws!!

The good news for your Brits is that I hear the QE2 rents out cheap these days.....

On a more serious note, living in Northern California, we have one of the world's biggest concentrations of Great Whites offshore. You can leave them alone and they will do the same, but the human-related shape in the water that they do respond most forecefully to is a surfer on a surfboard. When seen from below (Great Whites like to cruise deep then rush up at their prey) the shape of the board with the surfers arms and legs paddling off the sides looks a lot like a big fat seal paddling around on the surface.

Bon appetit!!

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"Oh for the love of Darwin!"

This story is a complete joke.

Anyone who set's out to go fishing for Great Whites off the coast of Cornwall is going to have a very boring day. We have plenty of indigenous shark species to these shores, the Great White is not one of them. You might as well go fishing for Unicorn's.

@Jake you almost certainly caught a small Porbeagle, which is often confused for the Great White.

As for the people criticising anglers for threatening the sharks..... Where do you start?!

1] No anglers in Cornwall are going to catch Great Whites. The people quoted in the Sun article are clearly deluded and inexperienced.

2] The majority of Sea angling is done for edible fish. I fish for Mackerel, Bass, Pollock, Plaice, Whiting, Gurnard, Turbot, Dabs and Sole. Everything undersized is returned alive and everything kept is eaten. I've never been on a fishing trip with anyone who hasn't adopted the same attitude. Line fishing is the most sustainable method of fishing, catching and cooking your own fish you get the most out of the fish, in terms of less waste. I fillet my fish so get more flesh off the bone than fillets pre-packed in the supermarket and I use the bone to make fish stock. Fish this fresh is also so much better tasting and good for you than fish packaged and sat on a shop shelf for a week as even chilled fish start to break down the minute they are killed.

If you can't sea fish for yourself or don't want to, but still eat fish. I hope that you look for the Marine Stewardship Councils (MSC) logo on any fish you buy, any fish with this logo means it has been caught from sustainable stocks.

It would be good to know that the same people who are getting uptight about sea anglers fishing out the (non-existent) Cornish Great Whites, think about the MSC and where their fish come from the next time they tuck into a Tuna Panini from a "Café au Chic" or Cod and chips from the local chippy. Because overfishing the fish stocks that we do have is a much more present and important issue for us all to get aggravated about.

Rant over.

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