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There was a time when if you had a pop at Spanish fascists they'd have you up against the wall quicker then you could say "¡Viva la Republica!" Times have changed, of course, and now it's entirely permissable to suggest that Franco rigged the 1968 Eurovision Song Contest so Cliff Richard's Congratulations had to bend over to …

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Anonymous Coward

I have a problem with this article

To quote :"Anyone who doesn't agree with our pinko liberal bias will, of course, end up dead in a ditch with a bullet in the back of his head."

You do realise that if this is reported to the police in the UK; they are actually frickin' retarded enough to arrest the author the article for threatening behaviour? Dare I mention we also have some extremely retarded members of the judiciary who will gladly throw the author and accomplices in the slammer?

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Sir

I reckon that's why there's a little ® at the end of the sentence.

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@AC

Yeah, that's true, and is probably why I suspect that dear old Lester has moved to Spain. The lunatics here are not as bad...

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@El Reg

"Anyone who doesn't agree with our pinko liberal bias will, of course, end up dead in a ditch with a bullet in the back of his head. ®"...

...and in common with the other workers' paradise states, will you be invoicing the victim's - sorry, -perpetrator's family for the coust of the bullet?

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Story dated 2008-05-06

You've got to hand it to those fascist, they're bloody quick on the uptake. Either that or they've take mañana to a new level.

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He's dead, Jim.

The flamer might also like to question his own linguistic skills and / or grasp of history since "Viva Franco" is an imperative form of the verb "to live" (usually translated into English as "long live"); thus he is commanding, or directly requesting, the somewhat deceased General to rise from the grave....

...which is utterly fucking retarded.

Big Brother icon, because there's something about embarrassing fascists that causes them to go for comically laughable moustaches.

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Jobs Horns

Although

Although, "The Return of Zombie Franco", sounds like a cracking film...

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Gah

Beat me to it.

Anyway, VIVA CHE, VIVA MAO, VIVA LENIN.

There, that reset the balance.

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Stop

aye

I, for one, welcome our undead facist overlord.

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Ask Franc (o)

There is also the bit about not being a murderer.

O.K. technically he never flew any of the Stukas but he did open the door for a bit of weapons development to try and clear up a smal bit of local trouble.

But will the flamer also say that Picasso was a great painter having done a wee sketch about another small incident?

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RE: He's dead, Jim.

That's not necessarily true. In this context, "viva" would be better translated as "hail" or any other salutation formula.

You can say "VIVA..." just anything, alive or not: a place (¡Viva España!), a date (¡Viva el 15 de setiembre!), an event (¡Viva la Revolución!) a sports team, a person, etc, etc.

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Yes; see example in "For whom the bell tolls"

The girl shouts "vivan mis padres" just before they shoot her, and just after they have shot her parents in front of her.

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Probably not Spanish manana

About 12 years back I tried to tell a collegue of LatAm descent the joke about "avrio being manana without the sense of urgency". He looked at me with a blank stare and answered: "That is Spanish manana, you have not seen Latin American manana mate..."

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Looks to me like the subjunctive which translates as something like "long live Franco"

This sort of language is not that unusual as José Millán-Astray when Commander of the Spanish Foreign Legion during the civil war introduced the war cry of "viva la muerte" or "long live death". I think it it was to show that that they had at least double the cojones of Franco. Se El Reg story

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/18/franco_huevo/

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Headmaster

El Grito del 15 de Septiembre

Ever heard about the Mexican "Grito de Independencia"? It is mostly used as "Hail" or something like that.

The idiocy of this guy, however, is to claim that Franco wasn't a murderer. This guy practically made "garrote" a "legal" execution method. Saying that Franco was not a murderer is like saying Hitler wasn't a mass murderer.

And no, Godwin's law doesn't apply to this comment space, as Franco actually had a helping hand from the Third Reich, as those who live (or survive) in Guernica can attest.

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Grammar Falangist

Viva can be the formal second person singular imperative, but in this kind of context it's far more likely to be the third person singular present subjunctive.

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@ A.Cotsworth

"You can say "VIVA..." just anything, alive or not: a place (¡Viva España!), a date (¡Viva el 15 de setiembre!), an event (¡Viva la Revolución!) a sports team, a person, etc, etc."

** VIVA Vauxhall :)

** You'd need to be over 30 and aware of UK cars to get the slight attempt at humour there. :)

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Actually…

Well, "viva" is used as "hail" more often than not. For "long live…" one could use "que viva…", which clarifies the imperative voice a bit, and even so…

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Garotte

Didn't practically make it a legal execution method. It WAS the preferred method of carrying the death sentence for most, if not all of Franco's post-civil war years.

And on a separate note, even though Spain won, the BBC ended up having to ship all the equipment and expertise for RTVE to do the live broadacst from Prado Del Rey. RTVE had to build two new studios, and the equipment was sold to them by the BBC as part of the deal. I known this because I did a show for Miguel Rios in one of those same two studios, still with most of the original gear, 19 years later.

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yes centurion, certainly centurion...

i'll write it out a thousand times

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Grammar Falangist

Nice!

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re: he's dead

@Jimmy Floyd: To understand what "Viva Franco" actually means you could try using a decent Spanish dictionary.

The 22nd edition of the Diccionario de la Lengua Española of La Real Academia Española gives twelve meanings for the verb "vivir", of which one (the seventh) is specifically applicable after death/ It has nothing to do with life after death or rising from the grave or anything of that sort, as this dictionary definition is "Mantenerse o durar en la fama o en la memoria después de muerto" - now just take the secon person singular imperative of that and you have the meaning or "Viva" in "Viva Franco".

You can check this at

http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual?TIPO_HTML=2&TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=vivir

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VIVA HC!

was a crap car, really.

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So you've just received a flame...

...referencing an article you published back in May. *2008*.

The "mañana" jokes sort of write themselves, don't they?

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Not a bad response time

...we have to wait for internet until it's percolated through Telefonica

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Philip II

What?? Comparing Franco and Philip II? Philip II, that bloody son of an inmigrant!! (Charles I). Philip II, that for a time was married with one of those bloody English that occupy the sacred soil of Gibraltar!! That's insulting!

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FoTW?

Nul points for that (even if you translated it into Spanish and submitted it in 1968).

Ok, there's some swearing, the writer's obviously right up on his high horse and hasn't got a leg to stand on, but proper punctuation and correct capitalisation*? Starting a sentance with "And" isn't enough to make up for that.

Very poor......

*I guess that the commies were right and the bourgeois intelligentsia are actually fascist running-dog lackeys after all.

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Here Hear

I have to agree with TeeCee - it's fails on too many criteria to be considered FOTW. Leaving aside his opinions for a moment, it is well capitalised and punctuated.

He even uses paragraphs and fails to fall into the standard FOTW your/you're trap for goodness' sake! Only two exclamation marks in the whole letter, and those could be construed ironically.

I must say, I strongly deprecate the rising standard of these flames. There's just no fun any more.

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<checks on YouTube>

Actually, LaLaLa wasn't _that_ bad. And - let's be honest - it's not as if Con-friggin-gratu-soddin-lations was exactly a high water mark in popular culture, is it?

B'sides, she's a damn sigh cuter than Cliff. Not that that's particularly difficult.

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Con-friggin-gratu-soddin-lations

Obviously i have to recognize the creative use of the language when I see it, definitely worth an up vote for Con-friggin-gratu-soddin-lations

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I don't understand

I may have been just a kid, but I definately remember those were the words. I remember Cliff's bitter, distorted face spitting them out like a crooner with Tourettes.

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I'm going to push the boat out here

and suggest that maybe both songs were shit. I would also dare to suggest that perhaps *ALL* eurovision songs are shit.

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"all eurovision songs are shit" ?

except Lordi's "Hard Rock Hallelujah" of course.

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Eurovision "song" contest?

Mindless drivel pap contest, more like ... And undoubtedly the ancestor of the over-produced, badly written, so-called "reality TV" shows that infest network television today.

The fact that people get extremely political and/or nationalistic over this crap is sad, in the old meaning of the word.

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"Mindless drivel pap contest"

"Pap (n)

1. (Anat.) A nipple; a mammilla; a teat."

Really? I'll have to start watching it!

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@Ian Yates

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pap%5B2%5D?show=0&t=1287149610

Enjoy.

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Eurovision

It used to be worth watching for Wogans commentary alone!

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On the other hand...

Eurovision is good for seeing how comically out of touch some countries can be. And as a benefit, although the contest is spread over three nights due to the size of Europe, at least the votes are made, collated, and announced on the night. No agonising sing-offs and all the other pop-idol crap, it's a three hour (roughly) programme and at the end of it is a winner.

All in all, SEVEN hours of programming a year isn't much to ask, is it? Coronation Street takes that in a week, what with the rebroadcasts and "omnibus edition".

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NOT a title

I thought we were only allowed to refernce the Oxford dictionary on el Reg, on pain of ridicule and old tired jokes about "real" English...

http://oxforddictionaries.com/search?searchType=dictionary&isWritersAndEditors=true&searchUri=All&q=pap&contentVersion=WORLD

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Franco?

Hitler once said he would rather have his teeth pulled out than endure another meeting with Franco... hm, perhaps the FotW has a point. Hopefully there is a hell where both events are happening simultaneously.

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Evening all.

You're all nicked under s127 of the Communications Act 2003.

On the spot fines and the cessation of your net connections. Can't have you being grossly offensive about mass murdering dictators online.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Guernica

Or your minds might wander...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

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Dresden?

Yup, we flattened it, not the only German city to be flattened either. However having discussed this with people in Cologne (site of the first 1000+ bomber raid) it is clear even the Germans accept that they started the war and that in war damage - sometimes a hell of a lot of damage - is done.

What would be interesting to remember are other facts:

a) Hitler hadn't really wanted to start the war that early because he wanted more time to build strength BUT that the weakness of the UK made his generals itchy to get going.

b) Had we had the balls and brains to listen to Churchill and rebuild our military early enough we would have won quicker and avoided such destruction.

c) If we hadn't so dangerously weakened our military (so they were short of equipment - my Grandad remembers the promises of protection for the army lorries that still hadn't arrived by Dunkirk) we would have been able to stand up to Hitler instead of coming back with a piece of toilet paper.

d) The Russians - for all Stalins faults - suffered - and then inflicted - a good deal more deaths than we did.

So STOP the stupid beating us all up over bombing a city and look at the way we are currently weakening our already weak military and appreciate the lessons of history and the dangers we are putting ourselves in front of.

With democracy anyone can be elected (Hitler was along with many other dictators and unpleasant leaders ... quite a few of our own) and what might seem safe now (like relying on the USA for defence) might prove very stupid in a year or two (who knows what might happen in the USA next election or when the oil runs out... don't forget we have some).

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Don't mention the war!

You mentioned it once, but I think you got away with it.

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FoTW?

If that's the hottest flame you have managed to incite this week then you should be ashamed!

Get your fingers out and start making derisive comments pronto!

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Eurovision and Franco

Didn't he sing: Line 'em up against the wall ??

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So is he saying...?

That Philip II and the his backing vocalists "The Aramadas" would have beaten Sir Francis Richard in a Eurovision sing-off?

Uuurgh - fascists make me sound like AManFronMars.

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Franco

There is a very big cross on the hillside where I live dedicated to some of what happened under Franco.

<tounge in cheek>

However, he didn't do anything bad, he just started defending us against the terrorists(*) before the americans did.

(*) terrorist = anyone you don't like (from the american english dictionary).

Should I show my photo to everyone in my street / calle now?

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You in Paracuellos?

If so the cross is dedicated to Francoists murdered by Republicans.

No question in my mind, the Republicans were on the whole the good guys and the Falange definitely the bad guys - but there were definitely atrocities on both sides.

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Eurovision

Why, Sir Rich Cliffard should be happy with his narrow escape - what could be more humiliating that a Eurovision win?

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How Embarrassing?

Errrrr........Being Criff Litchard

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