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A website criticising airline Ryanair must surrender its domain name to the Irish carrier because it broke the policies governing the use of others' trademarks in .co.uk addresses by earning money from commercial links on the site. An appointed expert for Nominet, which is responsible for .uk domain names, has ruled that …

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Streisand Effect?

Well done on publicising your critics' site, Ryanair!

I'd never heard of this site until now, but I've just visited http://www.ihateryanair.org/ and have bookmarked it to read when I get home.

Cheers!

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Paris Hilton

No need

Turns out that ihateryanair.co.uk is just redirecting to .org for the moment. Nicely done!

I assume that ryanair get to claim the address at some point though. It begs the question though, what are they going to do with it??

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@Annihilator

Good question, presumably they are going to have to pay the registrar for the domain in perpetuity, as if they let it lapse, someone else can grab the name. Not an issue for a single domain, but heaven forbid anyone starts registering lots of variations on this name - would Ryanair then grab all of these and end up paying silly money to Nominet?

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Great website idea!

www.theresanappforthatryanair.co.uk

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Happy

Haha

Ping ... Pong

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irish muppet

probably thinks ths is cheap good advertising - but them since it cost him so little he probably thinks it is worth it.

There are much, much worse than RAir - being able to cancel other airlines flights an major UK arports then call people the day before and sugegst they re-book with them is seriously scummy.

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Anonymous Coward

So, Eire O'Flot Strikes Again

So you want to tell us how crap we are? There's a one pound charge for that.

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what?! that cheap?!

ffs, 1£??! you're joking??! :)

ring their call centre and that'll prob set you back at least 10-20£. same goes for postmail. £5 or so for a registered letter, i think they redirect everything else to the bin without looking.

and there's not email. as if the eu online trading regulations don't apply to them...

f***ers...

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expert??

I thought i was reading the BBC web page for a second,

"tell me Mr Expert, just what impact will this have on peoples daily lives........"

Get a grip!

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ryanairarerubbish.co.uk

Is free... Just don't put any google ads on there!

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Anonymous Coward

I'm not surprised ryanairarerubbish.co.uk is free

It's gramatically awful! www.ryanairisrubbish.co.uk is the correct version!

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Anonymous Coward

@"gramatically" nazi

Not so awful in the UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences#Formal_and_notional_agreement

Also, you may want to use a spell-checker. (Correct American spellings will be tolerated.)

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Unhappy

A tad harsh, me thinks

It's not like he was making bucket loads of money from the links. I suspect he was just trying to cover his costs. He seems to have taken down the links fairly quickly. So I feel that stripping him of the domain is an unfair punishment.

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Anonymous Coward

By the book unfortunately

Though as Nominet basically said - pick a different top level domain and you can criticize and generate some small income to boot.

And now there's some incentive/a precedent to adjust Nominet's rules.

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www.ihatenominet.com

So.., we're not allowed to profit from hate, now?

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Disparaging comments or the simple fact?

Quote: "The editorial content of the website contains 'vitriolic and highly disparaging' comments about [Ryanair]," said the ruling's summary...

But these comments seem to be stating facts about the company? Is if offensive/illegal to publish the truth? It's just a plain fact that Ryanair is dishonest with its pricing and conditions.

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True

I wouldn't fly with that band of sky-conmen if the option was swimming to my destination! Truly, truly awful business that the EU should come down on like a ton(ne) of bricks.

RyanAir's motto: Never tell the truth when a lie will do (sadly my Latin doesn't stretch far enough to make that classy).

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"and leave you stranded when the cr*p hits the fan"

"and leave you stranded when the cr*p hits the fan"

Shouldn't that be "When the crap hits the jet engine spinny roundy thingys"?

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@LinkOfHyrule

Aren't those actually called fans? :)

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Paris Hilton

lol

I don't know, but if indeed they are that's pretty funny - duh!

Paris, cos I may of just had a dumb Paris moment!

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Happy

Yes, it's a fan.

The bit at the front of a high-bypass jet engine is a Fan - this is why they are called turbofan engines.

- See Rolls-Royce for more details.

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Break even

One thing i'm not clear on, is the £322 the total ad money or is it "profit" ?

If I was to put the usual set of contextual google text ads at the bottom of the page and earn say the £80 or so it costs to host a website, would that disqualify me for letting my hobby site offset its own costs?

Or does it only kick in if I'm getting direct kickbacks from airlines for profit over and above running costs?

Both this article and the one on the Graun are distinctly low on info regarding the exact nature of the ads involved.

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there is text here shut up and look

Ok as I'm doing Miss Bee's work for her I'd appreciate a backhander or some kind of handjob;-) In regards to above comment I don't believe El Reg or even the Groaniad are responsive or even advised to provide technical legal proclamations.

It seems apparent that even Nominet's arbiter had second/third/nineteenth thoughts about this ruling and was most likely swayed by assessing who had the funds to lodge unlimited appeals. I don't think 322 quid was enough to sway the decision.

You're welcome Miss Bee. Love Stu x x x

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(Written by Reg staff)

Re: there is text here shut up and look

Excuse me?

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Happy

I know. They need to create a vulture WTF icon, but hey!?

You are excused, Sarah.

I read that first post as a comparison of this fair site, that is almost as beautiful as it's moderatrix, to the Grauniad. A most unfitting comparison and I immediately looked for Miss Bee's incisive witty comment below. I was heartbroken to find her out on beer break (just like a ciggie break but less cancerous :-) I decided I could provide no better service than to muster my meager wit; stating that finding all the legal loopholes was not a requirement for either the Register's great news article or even moreso for the Graun's lesser standards.

I'm certain, though, that three centuries one score and maybe three quid would find someone willing to give all the advertisers another plug. In the meantime I'll just work my magic for improving my moderation pass rates. I do avidly read all Miss Bee's comments and oft debate compiling a scrapbook of them; but that's way too creepy and a lot of work.

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It doesn't matter

The "offence" is earning revenue from someone else's trademark, not making a profit. It doesn't matter whether he earned a penny or a million quid. Nominet were perfectly correct in their judgement tbh, but it hardly matters in the long run.

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Shame.

Whole thing could have been avoided, if ryanair were not indeed, sh*t.

I am off to look at the new website.

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Unhappy

moan, moan, moan

I don't like Ryanair either. As with Facebook, I have the right not to use it. And I use neither.

BTW, if you really want to piss off Michael O'Leary, make comparisons between Ryanair and CIE[1]. There aren't too many that can be made, but user-experience is high up there.

[1] CIE = Coras Iompair Eireann [http://www.cie.ie/home/]: A company run for the benefit of its employees. Theoretically a transport company.

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I flew Ryanair once...

...to Glasgow but I ended up in some f@#$ed up airport in the middle of nowhere... Took me ages to actually get to where I wanted to go. "Ryanair flies to Glasgow", me arse.

One other time, I had my flight cancelled and because it was an urgent, important trip I was making, had to buy a fare on another carrier.

Bugger Ryanair, I'll fly Aer Lingus... They got me there when you couldn't (And that is saying a LOT).

In fairness to CIE, they aren't as bad as Ryanair.

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Coat

:D

Technically Glasgow Prestwick Airport IS in Glasgow, the same way that Heathrow is in London.

Fear not, the other Glasgow airport is also miles away from the city.

Mine's the one with the BMI Baby logo on the back.

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Off to buy.....

www.readingtheregisterrotsyourbrain.org

see you later ;)

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Re: Off to buy......

You are actually Michael O'Leary and ICMFP!

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Stop

I hate them too

Please, don't send money...

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Cowardly ruling

So the bloke was using Ryanair's "good name" to generate revenue from his site by willing, cash-thrusting punters? I think not. The brave decision would have been to tell O'Reilly [*], erm, O'Leary to improve his business's service and thus reduce any inclination for people to visit a site where they can share their experiences describing how his business sucks.

[*] See Fawlty Towers, "The Builders".

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Paris Hilton

Don't like it, don't use it, stop whinging

Just what is the point of whinging about a company you don't like? I used RyanAir because you get what you pay for, low cost service. When will people realize that no one is ENTITLED to more than you pay for. You get what you pay for, it's that simple. You're paying to go from A to B, that's it. If you need to be pampered along the way, fly with another airline and pay the higher prices. Service with a smile comes at a price. The proof is that RyanAir is still making a profit despite what people think of them.

Personally I'd prefer to see inflight service operate on a tips basis, like the food service industry.

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Quite

Just this last weekend, I flew with RA from Bristol to Dublin and back again for the princely sum of £30 (although £10 of that was actually a charge levied for, errrm, paying for the flights). For this amount of money, I was hardly expecting a great service but I got what I paid for, the staff were polite and, honestly, I can't find a reason to complain. Obviously, I had to fly at silly-o'clock and could only take hand luggage and their charges for anything else are somewhat hefty but they are a company and they have to make a profit somewhere.

AC because if I posted with my real user name, my boss would be able to figure out when I'm posting on here rather than working, not because I'm a shill for RA or anything.

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and the ward for using

'low cost' and 'service' in one sentence goes to Bugs R Us

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caveat emptor

Actually, you don't get what you pay for quite often. Cattle get treated more humanely on the way to the abattoir than paying customers do from the airlines. I say more power to people who name and shame shoddy service.

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Profits

Ryanair's business model and thus profit is largely down to tax subsidies from governments desperate to see jobs in the province. As soon as an aiport loses the subsidy and they actually have to pay for using it they are off- Screwing customers and staff are just, er, added boni. So, yes good for their shareholders and arguably good for those who manage to get cheap flights close enough to where they want to go but generally shit for the economy as a whole.

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similar?

So Nominet think that "RyanAir" and "IHateRyanAir" are similar? Really?

Similar in the same way that "Walk" and "Don't Walk" are similar, I suppose.

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Profits

So, can't make a profit using a commercial (co.uk) domain, but it's OK to go ahead using the .org domain for non-profit making organisations.

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A damned good thing too.

"...the website contains 'vitriolic and highly disparaging' comments about [Ryanair],"

Nice to see that Nominet ruled that this was irrelevent. Ryanair would be able to take possession of just about every* fucking domain that allows user comments otherwise.

If they don't like the hate, maybe they should try not deliberately pissing off everyone stupid enough to fly on their crappy airline as an approach to the problem?

*i.e. all of them except their own.

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Big Bill?

Lets hope Nominet charge RyanAir zillions for bringing the case/dispute and an extra £5 for paying by credit card, £30 for checking in their luggage and £1 to use the loo ..... gits!

keepyour.co.uk .... nah f@!k it - what's the point?

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Is that all?

£322 from affiliate links to services including travel insurance that appeared on the site... He should take a leaf out of Ryan Air's books. I've never seen them offer a special or bundle during ticket booking that I couldn't get at least 25% cheaper with 3 clicks and going direct to the company concerned.

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A collective noun for Ryanair passengers...

I was at Dublin Airport waiting to board a decent carriers flight when a message came over the PA advising LyingAir passengers that the flight that was boarding at Gate 20 was now boarding at Gate 28.

There followed a resultant rush of what could only be called humanity's lowest common denominator, each elbowing and pushing in order to be the first in line.

I asked my friend what he thought the collective noun for this herd was. He pointed out the (drunk at 7am) hen party and suggested "Trampede". My suggestion was "chavalanche".

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Or just maybe

It's a collection of people who don't earn as much as you and therefor could not afford to fly using anyone but RyanAir?

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No, not really.

Its a collection of people who think they cant afford anyone but ryanair. If they did the maths, and included the cost of getting to a ryanair airport, then getting from a mis-advertised airport in the middle of nowhere to where they wanted to go, as well as ryanairs hidden charges, they wouold realise that most other airlines are, in fact cheaper. Ryanair are not just a shitty service run by a bunch of wa^&ers, they're also a false economy.

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Spot on, "It wasnt me" ...

...however, I'd rather that the lowest common denominator (with the emphasis on "common") keep travelling with RyanAir so that my choice of budget airline keeps a better standard of passenger.

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How is this different..?

<quote>In the Expert's opinion commercial links have no place on a criticism website</quote>

How can Nominet make that argument? Aren't Foxnews.com and sun.co.uk mainly criticism websites thinly disguised as news websites?

One rule for one.......

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my comment title

Seems fair enough, the silly sausage should not have stuck adsence up there. Not really a problem though, just needs to register a similar domain name and transfer the content over minus the advertisements. Ryanair then have a new problem as it has now been ruled that the content was just fine n dandy.

I'll even offer him free hosting :-)

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