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Pay rises in the private sector are on the increase again as firms start to feel the benefit of economic recovery. Media pay rises are running at around two per cent this year, with over half between two and three per cent. Most staff expect bigger rises next year. Those in the public sector are likely to be less happy - median …

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Anonymous Coward

With RPI running at 4.7%...

...it's still a real-terms fall in earnings for most of the population. At a time of rising fuel and food bills and with the rise in VAT to 20% in January, it means less disposable income.

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What a load of bollox you talk!

I'll be interested to see if the CBI now say 'It's time the public sector realised that the good times have arrived' to balance the tripe and diatribe against the public sector they published at a time when they were all awarding themselves pay rises well above inflation.

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Unhappy

re: Public sector pay "freeze"

Ah, the great public sector gravy train fallacy.

Yes most public sector workers do have a sliding scale when they join but i think you'll find that:

a) The increments, which average around 2%, lasts a maximum of 3 years so if, like me, you've been in your job for 6 years it's now a distant memory.

b) The majority of new jobs in the public sector are now fixed term contracts, a lot of them lasting 1 year. You don't get an increment when your contract finishes obviously.

c) In my council we got a 1.47% pay rise in 08/09. We got 0% in 09/10, 0% in 10/11 and will be getting 0% in 11/12 and 12/13. Coming out with figures like 6%-9% is just ludicrious in the extreme.

So please, before you start tarring everyone in the public sector as a work-shy layabout with their snout in a trough, actually try speaking to us first.

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Coffee/keyboard

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

Guaranteed 5% every year... my sides are splitting. Last year we were capped at 1% which actually translated here into a 0.5% rise for IT staff. As for being overpaid well in the past 10 years I've seen 2 members of my team restructured into different posts and 1 person left and wasn't replaced. Since my workload has gone up by 300% as a result I have never been more willing to switch sector.

Still we should be glad you have aquired all this tabloid sensationalism about our sector as otherwise I would have sworn you were illiterate.

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Switch sector?

Feel free to do so...

a) the conditions are not better in the private sector, regardless of which ass the author pulled this report's figures from. I imagine anyone "here" has been lucky to get 2% in the last 5 years. And that's before they started laying us techs off for even cheaper staff "abroad".

b) You're lucky you got 10 years in that job; that's "job security" in the private sector. Some of us in private have even forgotten how to spell "job security".

c) one less public sector worker = ones less salary we privates indirectly subsidise. In some councils, the ratio of public/private workers is nearly 30%. That's not sustainable.

d) your increases got capped only last year...what was happening in the years before? You're lucky to have a salary increase to be capped on, frankly.

e) And what about this infamous gold-plated public sector pension, we in the private sector can only dream about? And the earlier retirement age? You're lucky to even have an employer funded one these days in the private sector.

Sorry, but the grass is definitely not greener here in the private sector. Some harsh lessons in reality coming to the public sector methinks, and parity is long overdue, tabloid sensationalism or otherwise - and it was due long before the casino bankers kicked off the official recession.

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You don't actually take things in too well do you?

>>To all the public sector workers responding to me, you seem to have jumped to the conclusion I''ve always worked private sector

Nope... not my first conclusion I have to say. You should likewise avoid assuming that I have always worked in the public sector.

>>the last AC mentions 1% for example, so is again clearly referring to the annual rise on top of the sliding scale increment which, as I stated, were quite clearly separate, as he states he's been there 10 years, granted, he wont be getting annual increments but will be at the top of his scale- i.e. overpaid

As I said the 1% was the upper cap set by the gov. We actually got 0.5%. Couple that with the 300% increase in workload and that's why I'm thinking of moving on. Not to mention the people they restructured were a DBA and a server admin - both jobs I have since had to take on myself and I'm a lot closer to the 23K than the 28K you suggest. As for my competency level well the 99.9% uptime over the last 12 months speaks for itself doesn't it? If not then I'm at least hoping the Cisco CCNA and 1st class computing degree (with honours) that I went out and studied for in my own time will look good on my CV.

>> he also fails to mention is that at 5 years public sector workers also get an additional 5 days leave

That's because it's no longer the case. Holidays are "appropriate and commensurate to your scale" according to the blurb. The only way to get more days off is to get a higher position. You could always take sickies I suppose... oh no hang on. They introduced the Bradford factor so any more than 4 single days off on a rolling 12 months would result in an investigation and possible disciplinary action. I bet that wasn't in your contract back in the good old days either.

>> okay, so why haven't you left?

The two reasons I'm still here are I live fairly close by and I accept that the hours are good (9-5 being almost obsolete in IT these days). I was recently offered a position paying 2-3k/yr more at a place 20 miles from here but once I factored in the expenses of running a second car it just wasn't worth it, especially with the extra 2 hours per day stuck in traffic. If I'd known then about the changes here I might have thought differently.

>> the majority of public sector workers are completely inept

I would avoid telling that to doctors, nurses, firemen and the rozzers should you ever require their services. Traffic wardens I leave entirely to your own discretion.

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bullshit

i work for Fujitsu.

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None of that matters!

Whilst there will always be squabbles between private and public sectors, there are more pressing truths that make the discussion irrelevant. Firstly, the toxicity of debt in the world banking system has not gone away. What we have is merely a blip of calm on the back of tax-payer bail-outs. Secondly, my own informal research (that has never let me down - I forecast the collapse in 2006) is showing that we are now into deflation, with a consequent stagnation of the economy only a matter of months away. If the BoE tries to increase interest rates you can expect that stagnation will lead to a deeper recession than the one we've just had. Sorry to be all doom and gloom but the last recession is not like 1929 because we are very close to the situation repeating itself, again and again until the toxicity is shaken out. The difference this time is that, in terms of UK bank's debt, we are all now the shareholders.

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Why doesn't it matter?

It does matter, there will still be people employed in the public and private sectors, there isn't going to be any overnight total collapse, we are a civilised country with a relativly stable governement and economy. IT systems still need to be looked after and maintained. Please elaborate why the public/private scetor divide doesn't matter?

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Why it doesn't matter...

Why doesn't it matter? Because you didn't read the article! it doesn't relate to just IT pay, so the self-indulgent discussions above are itrrelevant.

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Anonymous Coward

Maybe the divide is not so divisive after all

It seems to me there are pro's and cons in working for both. It's a question of whether or not you beleive the crap that sells newspapers. There's a nurse up the road from me who works long hours yet she hasn't got a ferrari. I'm not sure I'm willing to belive she'll get one when she retires either.

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Yes apologies are due

I had no intention of being self-indulgent however I can only comment on my individual circumstances which are very different to those which are being suggested by some as justification for annihilation of public services. The pension (incidentally I'm due to retire at 67) is unlikely to be gold-plated (see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11466273). Likewise the 15 flexi days and 5 service days claim is untrue for myself and all my colleagues.

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