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An ageing and increasingly cantankerous rock aristocracy is pointing its arthritic fingers at the internet, blaming it for destroying America, and even more worryingly, rock and roll. Fleetwood Mac songstress Stevie Nicks told the New York Daily News this week that the net "has destroyed rock. Children no longer develop social …

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As they told...

...the Dixie Chicks, Shut Up and Sing!

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the 'China-Russians'?

Who are they and why do thgey want to take away my rock and roll? Although if they only destroy Fleetwood Mac, my concern will be somewhat mollified...

<-the studded leather one with Rammstein artwork on the back

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Fleetwood Mac Destruction

But what about Peter Green, one of the greatest EVER guitarist?

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Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac

.. a completely different animal than Rumours Mac

.. even most people my age, 57, have no clue Peter Green wrote Black Magic Woman and Fleetwood Mac recorded it before Carlos Santana became a star copying it almost note for note

I have a copy of the unofficial Pious Bird of Good Fortune, one of the best albums ever in terms of variety song to song ..

.. can not handle the over produced pop music Lindsey Buckingham crap though, not even rock and roll in my book

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China-Russians?

Who the hell are the China-Russians?

They're 2 separate nations you ignorant hick bastard!

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Re: China-Russians

Well, quite obviously there is a group of Russian quality antique tableware collectors acting in concert to destroy rock and roll, in an attempt to protect their fine porcelain from the potentially dangerous vibrations caused by loud music.

Simples.

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Heed them not, for they know not what they say...

Remember, every true "rocker" from a(ny) previous generation who "speaks out" must have their words taken with a grain of salt - they had access to recreational pharmacueticals we can only dream of today, so it is only right that it doesn't make much sense...

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That Stevie Nicks!

She'll be putting cats in bins next, you wait and see!

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LOL

Can we have a "warning, try not to fall off the chair" icon for posts like these in future?

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"Fleetwood Mac songstress Stevie Nicks told the New York Daily News this week that the net "has destroyed rock. Children no longer develop social graces."

They have turned into adulterous egomaniacs who pump themselves full of drugs.

My mistake, that was Fleetwood Mac.

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You're like the most moral person ever. Can I touch the hem of your cloth? Not *that* hem.

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Well, I've never been adulterous in twenty seven years of marriage, and I've never pumped myself full of drugs.

Perhaps the fragrant Ms. Nicks could be more precise on which social graces today's yoofs fail to develop.

Only the lovely Mrs. Stratman may touch my hems.

Love and peace.

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Pfft.

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To quote the late great Bill Hicks...

"If you dont think drugs have done some good in this world, do me a favour - go home tonight and take out all your albums and burn 'em. Because you know all those artists that have made all that great music that has enhanced your life throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrreal high on drugs!"

I'll still take a drugged up egomaniac to supply my music hits over the balless, soulless corporate bitches the record companies are spewing out now...

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Re: To quote the late great Bill Hicks...

See also: "Never murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never beat anyone, never lost a job, a house, a car, a wife or kids - laughed my ass off - and went about my day. Sorry."

Gawdblessim.

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What a load of old...

...poop.

I'm pretty bllody sure the internet was actually invented in the USA.

Most people cant tell between a CD and a 320kbps MP3 file.

Vinyl records have a habit of melting and sounding like crap.

Big band music is heard very often out in public and I beleive there is even a dedicated show on Radio 2 catering to it on friday nights.

There's nowt to stop the US hacking China and Russia.

Bloody idiots. The reason the music industry is "dead" is because it's actually been ripping off consumers and artists alike since it's inception. I give away a lot of music I write for free. Without the internet however, I'd probably not be making music as it was kind of a expensive thing to get into thanks to the so called industry acting like a bunch of selfish pricks in the past!

Oh and Fleetwood Mac sound like a bunch of fanbois! ;o)

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@Link

"Vinyl records have a habit of melting"... Where do you keep yours then?

"and sounding like crap""... I have some rather old vinyl thats just as good now as it was in the 50's! Vinly has a more larger stereo image than CD's and I am going to stop myself, before getting into a Vinyl vs CD dance off again.

Agreed about the cd vs Mp3 - Some cant even tell the difference at 128kbps let alone 320 ;)

Mines the one with million dollar ears in the pocket.

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Big Band

"Big band music is heard very often out in public and I beleive there is even a dedicated show on Radio 2 catering to it on friday nights."

I'll confess I've been to Friday Night is Music Night on three occasions now (St Luke's Church, old Street), and have enjoyed it each time. Never listen to it on the radio, grew up on Buzzcocks, Stone Roses and many a messy all night rave, but there's something about watching a percussionist running between various bits of kit and smiling old violinists in person that puts a stupid grin on my face.

Fleetwood Mac...apart from The Chain every other Sunday, you can blow it up Stevie Nix's arse.

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@Michael 82

Yeah I was a bit harsh on records there maybe as I actually quite like them myself as it is of course still cool to DJ with them and the fact that many records from way long before I was even born survive is both a technical achievement and again very cool!

They all have pros and cons, digital downloads sound pretty crap too if you don't back up and have a hard drive failure resulting in them "not existing" any-more!

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more larger stereo image?

To my ears, the sound from an LP seems to have a touch of added L-R, even when compared to a CD made directly from the same master tape (e.g. early Jethro Tull CDs). I've no idea whether it's due to the phono cartridge, RIAA equalization, special LP pre-processing, or whatever. Plus the low rumble, feedback from the speakers to the cartridge, clicks, pops, etc. I suspect that the larger difference, by far, is due to the choices made by the recording engineers when the LPs and CDs were produced.

If you prefer that extra L-R "larger stereo image" you can play your CD or MP3 on your computer and dial up (slide up?) the horrid "3D spatial enhancement" slider or whatever it's labeled on your system. For an extreme example of vinyl L-R, dust off your Little River Band LP and cue up "It's a Long Way There" on the turntable. Listen closely to the sound image: there's precious little sound coming from the center. I'm guessing that's mostly due to pre-processing in that specific case, but you can always run your CDs through a processor to make them sound more like your albums if you wish. The Nullsoft Signal Processing Studio DSP plug-in in WinAmp is free and a good place to start.

I don't mean to give the impression that I'm dissing all vinyl. Clean 45 RPM vinyl recordings with plenty of space between the grooves, properly engineered can sound incredibly good. I have a few tracks I've ripped from 45 RPM EPs that sound better than their CD counterparts, but only after I've spent 10-20 hours per track removing the worst of the clicks and pops.

If you could dig up (!) the original recording engineers who produced your favorite LP and give them the original master and a free hand to produce a CD version, which medium do you think would give you the best end result in your listening room? I'll hang onto to the CD version of Adagio for Strings (Thomas Schippers conducting the New York Philharmonic), thanks -- even though I can hear the second violin kick the leg of his chair a couple of times in the CD version :) I know that I'm hearing essentially everything that the composer heard when he was helping on the mixing board.

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"Vinyl records have a habit of melting"... Where do you keep yours then?"

I left Zappa's 200 Motel's beside the oven in a pub in 1971. It melted. Best thing that could have happened to it

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We're not sure exactly what technology put paid to big band music...

electric guitars and amplifiers?

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They have a point ...

My daughter's Precision Big Block (formerly owned by Jean-Jacques Burnel) goes weeks without being played ... Might have something to do with her being more interested in making a living than making music, though. Being late in her third trimester might have something to do with it, too.

The cycle of life continues, even though kids think they they know better then their parents. All that computer power, and they can't come up with anything better than mag tape? MP3s? ::spit::

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Don't worry

All those belligerent youngsters will get off your lawn soon enough to go do drugs.

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@AC 04:18

"All those belligerent youngsters"

The belligerent ones avoid me ... I'm better trained & a hell of a lot meaner than they are when I need to be ...and that set knows it.

"will get off your lawn"

Actually, many "at risk" kids mow my lawns ... in return for riding and/or dawg training and/or "how yeast works" lessons :-)

"soon enough to go do drugs."

Yes. That is an issue ... We try to reach out to the kids here in the Sonoma Valley, and we are an acknowledged refuge for kids in need ... but you can't save all of 'em. Won't stop us trying.

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The Hit Factory

Heavy metal, rock'n'roll,

We don't want em back,

I'd rather jack,

Than Fleetwood Mac.

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Didn't Bon Jovi

Destory American Rock & Roll in the 90's?

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Bon Jovi was 80's

and along with Journey, Styx, Lover Boy, Foreigner, Ratt, Poison, Cinderella and Def Leppard destroyed rock and roll ...

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Shocking news

Breaking news: old people do not understand what young people do and like. Now that's some food for thought. I might even invent a name for it and call it "generation gap".

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Old people will complain about the young...

I can see Stevie's parents complain that she stayed out too long and ignored her chores. Not like I'll be any better when I'm older, but hopefully I'll remember what I'm writing today, and not be too harsh on the younger generations.

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Big band

"We're not sure exactly what technology put paid to big band music, though we understand Glen Miller had his doubts about valve powered amplification,"

3 guys with valve amps can fill a room with sound and will demand less money than a 30-piece band. This led to two things: a proliferation of mid-sized music venues, both building a new audience and discouraging people from travelling further to get to the big-band auditoriums and ball-rooms; big name small acts were able to be put on the bill in the big venues, squeezing the expensive big bands off the bill.

So yes, the valve amp did it.

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Destroying Rock

That was done by the music industry, with lots of help from the TV industry and the likes of Simon Cowell.

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Inernet is not destroyed the music business

Greed, ripping people off and creating a commercial engine to churn out throwaway pop trash is killing the music industry (I'm finding the apparent implied definition of music industry being the economic value of the biggest labels interesting...).

Music industry will never die, its like nature, some animals who do not adapt to change will go extinct but others will flourish and evolve in their absence. There is great music being produced off the mainstream, its just not deemed worthy / profitable enough by the big labels.

Internet provides a wonderful access to music, the number of major artists that were recognised through myspace and youtube is enormus. It provides a mechanism where a pennyless artist can upload some tracks to a billion wide audience -- how can that be destroying the music industry?

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Re: how can that be destroying the music industry?

"It provides a mechanism where a pennyless artist can upload some tracks to a billion wide audience..."

That means that the "industry" doesn't make any money off of 'em, that's how.

Icon - because I'm happy about it.

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Thanks, Stevie for pointing it out

Because I thought the US (and UK) rock'n'roll music has died as the result of the record companies realising that it's far easier to mass-produce sickly-sweet teen-oriented crap on their conveyor belts than invest in risky development of real talent playing real music.

If you, Stevie, join Sir Rich Cliffard and the likes, lobbying for copyright extensions, DRMs, internet disconnections and other IP "protection" you will sure help to put the final nail in the musical coffin once and for all...

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Luddite.

That is all.

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Thumbs up

It's exactly this kind of tongue-in-cheek, gentle piss-take commentary for which I love the Reg. I mean, the proper tech stuff's /interesting/ and all that, but reading about washed up old toots getting their well-worn knickers in a twist about something they neither understand nor really even care about? That's entertainment!

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Kids prefer the sound of mp3s...

I read somewhere about a college professor who plays a music track to his new students every year (for the past however many years) and asks them to select which track sounded better - one encoded as flacc one as mp3 (possibly others I can't remember) and with each new generation more and more students prefer the sound of mp3s.

That and them all becoming unsocial, politically jaded, environmentally aware freetards. Or some such.

Cant these ageing and embittered cheese wits simply enjoy that they contributed something creative to the world and presumably made a living from it?

p.s. John - I'm listening to your entire back catalogue for free on spotify - just to spite you - I don't like your music - but I'm going to listen to it all damn you! "Oooohhh yeah life goes on"

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MP3

The real draw to mp3 is that it quickly plays, and takes up less space. It is not better quality. Nor what folks in the industry use.

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I'm just distressed to hear that time marches on, and the lovely Stevie Nicks is now 62.

But she's wrong to claim it's the Internet that's destroying social interaction.

It's the big downturn in the economy that keeps men from getting steady jobs so they can buy a house and a car. And it's this feminism that allows women to refuse to settle for less before they'll get married.

And never mind the death of rock and roll. It's not just that they're not going out dancing. At a birthrate of 1.3 children per couple, I'd think that the dying out of the entire human race, rather than that of one of its art forms, would be the major concern.

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@John Savard

Must be why the population is falling - Oh, wait...

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Sir:

1. It is not feminism that is giving women pause before they marry someone with no job, no house, or neither: it's common sense. Why should anyone haul the load (financial, &c) of a partner who can not carry her/his fair share? I can become poor on my own, I don't need any help.

2. With a global population of +/- eight billion, why are we worried about producing fewer consumers? An economy based on more people buying more useless crap faster than important natural resources (potable water, arable land) can be replenished is not tenable.

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Re: Sir:

Oh yes, I missed that one. Obviously feminism has ruined everything for everyone.

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HMHB

Stevie nicks books about kleptomania .....

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Unplug and go to a gig

Forget the charts, the real music scene is alive and kicking; lots of acts from the decaying pension fund mob to new unsigned acts gig all the time. Not that you would know it from the zero media exposure and the 'play it safe' majors.

Everybody dressing to the new casual conformity, like it was the bloody 50's with freaking 70's Sláger dross pumping out from the radio and a recession from the 80's.

The internet is my Radio Caroline, and I'm hopeful that the young uns' will wake up soon.

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I'd Rather Jack...

... Than Fleetwood Mac.

Now, The Reynolds Girls. There was real talent.

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Rock is dead? Who cares?

Rock is dead? Who cares? Music genres come and go like any other fad or popular culture interest.

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Once again

The infinite wisdom of The Simpsons provides the answer.

Abe "Grandpa" Simpson: I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me.

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Has-beens

John Cougar Mellonhead? He's on the moldy-oldie stations now....

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The music industry....

I hate that term. The creation of art that so touches and moves the human spirit should NEVER be an industry.

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