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A bridegroom in Turkey, seeking to enliven his nuptial celebrations by the traditional local practice of firing an automatic weapon into the air, has accidentally gunned down 11 of his wedding guests in a freak tragedy bloodbath firearms discharge mishap. The BBC reports that the unfortunate groom, intending only to let off a …

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If ever there was a reason why Turkey shouldn't be in the EU...

...the sort of place where civilians are permitted to have AK-47s, never mind use them in jubilation, probably isn't quite ready to be a part of the European Union just yet...

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What?

What's so wrong with the AK-47? You realize that people over the pond have them too, right?

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@ What?

Yes, we realise. Are you trying to reinforce heyrick's point?

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s/people/idiots/

That is all.

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Not to mention...

... the fact that they were only made illegal in the UK in 1986 in response to the Hungerford massacre - correct me if I'm wrong, but the UK was part of the EU (or the EEC as it was) at the time.

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Maybe stating the obvious but

Haven't these cretins heard of blank ammo?

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blank ammo

blank ammo will still injure at close range. There's no bullet but the wadding and packing in a blank can still cause significant damage. Then there's people thinking it's blank ammo, thus safe and it's not or is loaded with live rounds.

Have they not heard of party poppers? (not to be aimed at people... )

grenade... coz it's the nearest I could find.

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Blank ammo won't work

There is definitely a symbolic down-side to firing blank ammo at a wedding. Firing blanks == infertility.

Blank ammo also does not cycle an automatic/semi-auto weapon since it does not generate pressure against the bullet to feed the gas chamber.

You could of course use one of those red muzzle plugs but that would make you look like a bit of a wuss. and line you up for innuendo about your dick being blocked.

Nope. It has to be live ammo, fully auto.

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oh man !!

that memory will just shit on you for the rest of your life !!!!

feel real sorry for that bloke !!

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Still generally hit with lethal force?

Didn't mythbusters do an entire episode to prove that bullets fired vertically or close to it actually tumble back to earth and with nowhere close to lethal force? The only way to maintain lethality was to have the gun fire at a shallow angle so that a ballistic arc maintained the spin of the bullet. Stupid certainly but lethal rarely, losing control of the gun certainly a fail here.

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yup they did

but the myth obtained a busted/plausible/confirmed rating.

If bullet goes totally vertical (nigh on impossible really), it will be none lethal due to terminal velocity

If bullet goes off on arcing trajectory (more common) bullet can retain lethal force, but chances of being hit are quite slim.

they had two cases of injury sustained from airbound bullets (those not targeted) one fatally I believe.

you gotta be some unlucky sonofabeyotch to be killed by ammo returning to earth.

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Depends on the party

But i am highly doubting he was pointing the gun straight up otherwise we wouldnt be reading this article !!

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Mythbusters

Mythbusters = bad science.

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Speaking for experience...

I got a bullet hole in the boot of my car about 3 months after I got it thanks to someone firing a pistol into the air during the September 15th celebrations in Mexico.

While it didn't penetrate the metal completely the bullet hit with enough force to deform it. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to have tested the theory that bullets fired in the air aren't lethal when they come down with, say, my head.

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IT Angle

not quite true

Basically if the bullet does tumble you're safe, if it keeps some ballistic profile (nose first) then you're all DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED

http://mythbustersresults.com/episode50

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Myth? Maybe

I have a friend who was serving with NATO in the Golan Heights and he reports an incident that injured a fellow soldier from just such a situation. Lethal? Maybe not, but it sure hurts like hell. Especially when it falls on your head.

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happened recently in America

This happened recently in the States.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6927917/Boy-killed-by-bullet-fired-three-miles-away.html

AK-47 fired three miles away went through a church roof, hit a toddler in the head and killed him.

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rough calculation from terminal velocity

A bullet fired straight up won't come down at as fast as it left the gun barrel, due to air resistance. But it will generally reach terminal velocity, and that, multiplied by the mass of the bullet can easily be enough to break through someone's skull. If the gun is fired at a shallower angle, the speed of the projectile at impact is going to depend on a number of things including the angle it was fired at, the total distance and time traveled in horizontal and vertical planes (fairly complex integration, but easy enough to simplify to get a rough answer) and the drag coefficient of the bullet (which can be estimated). And not to forget that the final force is equal to speed times mass, so the mass of the bullet also has a big effect on the amount of damage on impact.

A quick web search should turn up plenty of good sites dealing with this particular "myth" (which it isn't) in general and the physics of it in particular (with terminal velocity in a viscous fluid being the most important).

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Journalist's Guide to Firearms Identification

http://blog.robballen.com/2009/09/08/p3717-because-im-nothing-if-not-helpful.post

Just because they say it's an AK-47 doesn't mean it is one. Or even close to one.

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Mythbusters busted

Mythbusters make too many assumptions to be considered science. They "busted" the story about using mirrors to burn a ship because they could not reproduce it (yet MIT did manage to do it).

IIRC, the Mythbusters on shooting vertically used pistol ammo which has a high surface area and poor aerodynamics. A rifle bullet, OTOH, has a nice boat hull shape and bloody good aerodynamics - nothing like a pistol bullet .

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Gates Horns

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

YOUR GOD, WHERE IS IT?

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Fireworks

I've always wondered if anyone has been hurt from the remains of a firework falling from the skies?

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Re: Fireworks

I know two people who were hurt by falling firework remnants - the girl who it (metal casing - big rocket) fell on, causing a bit of bruising to her back, and her brother who burnt his hand picking it up, wondering what on earth it was.

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Quite Possible

I was a a fireworks display on July 1, 2001 or 2002 where the crowd was allowed to be within 50 metres of the firing area. There were bits of plastic from the assemblies and slag from the burned metal that were raining down on the spectators as the wind had changed direction. Got some very small specks in my eye and saw some pieces land close to me. Frightened those with small children. Rightfully so.

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Not quite returning to earth, but...

I was supposed to be providing wildfire suppression control one Guy Fawkes night, with the assembled masses of the Cape Flats (it turned into a first-aid evening for us).

After watching people holding roman candles, standing in and amongst exploding fireworks (including small kids), holding catherine wheels (the spinning ones?) in their hands, etc, the evening reached it's climax when some dude shot his cousin in the chest from a few feet with a rocket. No major penetration/death, but serious burns and one very shaky person eventually carted off to hospital.

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Well.

You. Utter. Twat. Really, what else can be said?

Fuckwit icon please.

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Joke

Perhaps...

...this would the only time a groom would be happy to be firing blanks?

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sorry,

which one is yours?

;-)

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Shouldn't laugh, but...

"in a freak tragedy bloodbath firearms discharge mishap"

Shouldn't you be working for the readtops with prose like that. Cheered me up no end.

However, regarading your later comments, shirley bullets fired straight up would come down with no more force than a hailstone of similar mass, gravity and air resistance being what they are.

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"Shouldn't you be working for the readtops with prose like that."

They are working for a redtop. It's just a digital redtop aimed at the IT industry.

That's why The Reg has the best title and sub-head writers around.

Long may it continue!

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Re Shouldn't laugh, but.

Bullets are heavier than the average hailstone. And if you google, you'll find that hail can be fatal.

Grenade as I'm going to a wedding at the weekend.

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When you postively have to kill every mother f***er in the room!!!!

Whats that saying "Guns don't kill people......." What a complete nugget, what did he expect to happen bringing an AK47 to his wedding. FAIL for obvious reasons.

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Guns don't kill people

...but they clearly make it a hell of a lot easier.

Not the blanks would be much better. They have a tendency to break up a bit and spit shrapnel everywhere. It killed the guy in The Crow and is the reason the army uses 'crap catchers' when shooting blanks.

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Actually ...

As I understand it was a combination of a blank and a slug that killed Brandon Lee.

In an earlier scene they had used dummy cartridges (no powder but still had a live primer) to show the gun being loaded, then someone pulled the trigger. The primer in the "blank" dummies still had enough power to push the slug out of the drum and into the barrel of the revolver. When the same prop gun was used with true black powder blanks for the "Bang, Bang" there was enough pressure to shoot the slug in the barrel with enough force to kill.

for full details; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee#Death

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blank firing attachment

Is that "crap catcher" a blank firing attachment?

Yes there is a safety element to this, but the main purpose is to build up pressure in the barrel/gas chamber to cycle the reloading mechanism.

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Such a nightmare!

Unbelievable...

And we do that in some parts of Greece as well. The peasants are thick-headed enough not to get the risks involved (what do you city people know etc.)

Unfortunately it destroyed somebody's life for ever. I mean, to kill your own father... Really the stuff of nightmares...

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Same stuff

These people were also peasants. Despite countless media reports of previous incidents involving guns and harsh condemnation from everybody they still do this.

Greetings to Greece, btw.

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Funeral

If the activity is also practiced at funerals then this may well be the last generation of the family.

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Darwin at work

If the activity is also practiced at funerals then this may well be the last generation of the family.

One can only hope.

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No

If it had been Darwin the groom would have shot himself. Those he removed form the gene pool had already bred and now he will probably want to have some extra kids now so he can name one after each of the dead.

Mines the one made of Kevlar.

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Just for the conspiracy minded...

...was it really an accident, or perhaps something a bit more sinister?

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You might be on to something

Triple inheritance as a wedding present to self?

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Exactly my thoughts

I guess a photo of the bride would shed some light on it.

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I have a Great Big...gun!

"...and will still generally hit with lethal force when they do." Really? I've heard that bullets falling at terminal velocity might knock you unconscious, but that's about it. Assuming, of course, you fire them upwards in the first place.

This is why you train in the use of a weapon before you go around shooting it. Sounds like an AK was outside this guy's range of experience. Overcompensating, perhaps?

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Precisely!

"This is why you train in the use of a weapon before you go around shooting it."

When I've taught people how to shoot, I show them all the features on the firearm and shoot a few rounds off first to show them what it's like, plus teach posture, form, etc. If you start firing any round on automatic, even the low-recoil .22LR, you might get spooked and drop the weapon which could cause a slam fire.

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@David Eddleman

Why in the name of $deity would anyone fire a weapon on automatic unless they were trying to kill someone, or training to do exactly that?

There’s no possible reason except killing another person to even own an automatic weapon. (Semi-autos I actually don’t have much of a problem with.)

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Recoil

Not an AK47 but interesting. At least was in a training booth.

http://davestopher.com/images/Videos/irak2.asf

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Because it's a matter of skill? Trying to say that ANYTHING is designed exclusively to kill someone is a logical fallacy. Let's see you try to fire on automatic and even keep your sights on a target, let alone score some decent hits.

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@David Eddleman

I would never be firing on automatic. There's no possible reason for me to do so, except to kill someone.

All of my guns are semi-auto or manual, and I am a reasonably good shot with them. I keep them locked up at all times, with the ammo locked up separately in another room. I only take them out for practice at a licensed facility, or for hunting. Should the revolution come, I will be more than able to defend me and mine with a semi-automatic weapon that I can use surgically instead of a bullet hose designed to mow down whatever is in my way.

Fully automatic weapons have zero purpose other than to kill another person.

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