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A 55-year-old described by the BBC as a 'man' and by Scotland's Daily Record as a 'pervert' has avoided jail after being spotted by neighbours having too much fun with too few clothes on a trampoline. James Burden of Falkirk, a man of apparently hardy stock, was having a jolly good jump around on the apparatus in his back garden …

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Unhappy

sexual equality...hmm

Naked man in own garden, seen by female neighbour = prosecution of man for public exposure/indecency

Naked female in own garden, seen by male neighbour = prosecution of man for voyeurism/peeping-tom

Hmmm...

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Re: sexual equality...hmm

Yes, thank you for that. Give us an example?

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I second Sarahs request....

With pictures please... to...ummmm "prove it" (no, weirdo! of the woman).

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Hmmmm.. I wouldn't have been quite so definite as that but the cynic in me does suspect he's probably correct.

:(

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Re: I second Sarahs request....

That's an interesting way to illustrate a double standard, No, I will not fix your computer.

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Paris Hilton

when men are prosecuted in these cases

it's because they have systematically spied on the woman - hidden cameras, holes in the wall etc. The Register voyeuse challenge could be to find a single example in the world of a woman behaving similarly to observe a naked man

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@AC

Actually, I believe the challenge is to fins a woman who has had a man arrested for looking at her jumping naked on a trampoline. (Any other event in which the woman in question chooses to display herself in public would probably be an acceptable stand in.) We are not talking about a woman having a man arrested who went out of his way to sneak a peek of her nude, but having a man arrested for sneaking a peek whilst she was nude in a public space.

I suspect a lady jumping nude on a trampoline would get into some trouble, whilst the guy enjoying the scenery would get a verbal warning. The interesting question in my mind is what the average sentences for similar crimes perpetrated by members of different genders under the same circumstances would be, and if there was an actual difference. In my mind, this is research worth funding if for no other reason than to dispel myths one way or the other. (And if disparity exists, to start to combat it.) Anecdotally, I cal tell you that where I live there is a huge judicial gender disparity for certain crimes where I live. Sarah is adamant that the same isn’t true where she lives.

All threads such as this one, without proper research, are simply pointless because there isn’t anything beyond cynicism or anecdotal evidence to back any of it up.

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@Trever

Well, I know of three other people trying to post examples citing cases that have been raised, but their posts are getting rejected (funny enough my own got rejected then accepted then rejected again).

The thing is when you get asked for proof you'd like to show it. When you are not permitted to - even though you cite cases and can prove your statements - they get quashed quickly. Fear of the truth is a terrible thing.

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Non-specific but undeniable example

Women have avoided jail by the mere fact of being pregnant. Some women facing jail will knowingly get pregnant to avoid a jail sentence. I don't know of a single case where a man has been dealt with leniently for either being pregnant or for getting someone pregnant.

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as a matter of fact

I disagree, - this thread is an exemplary example of what how the reg adds value to i t news - the story generated an excellent head and sub head, and the reg has done its' own research in identifying a source showing females trampolining in the required manner.

I myself as the a/c above did indeed do a quick internet search before posting to inform my comment as I would never pronounce on such important issues as the potential gender bias in the legal consequences of nude trampolining without having some idea of what the global perspective is on the subject.

If you feel that there is a lot of pointlessness in your life perhaps you should turn to drink?

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Re: Non-specific but undeniable example

This argument has now reached the top three of the most annoying, tedious, cyclical Reg thread arguments. Can you resolve it once and for all or just give it a goddamn rest? You may have good points (nb the operative word being 'may') but it gets perilously close to woman-bashing the longer it goes on.

There should be a gender-issue equivalent of Godwin's... Dorkins'? The longer a gender-related argument goes on, the greater the chance of someone invoking Andrea Dorkins?

(NB No I don't bloody agree with her.)

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@Sarah

You asked for examples, don't complain if they don't suit you. It's not woman bashing, a label I greatly take offence at as I have on numerous occasions stepped in to physically protect a woman from aggression.

There is no "may" about it, these links should assuage your doubt.

http://tinyurl.com/pregnant-jail-1

http://tinyurl.com/pregnant-jail-2

http://tinyurl.com/pregnant-jail-3

http://tinyurl.com/pregnant-jail-4

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Re: @Sarah

Well, good for you, but I'm just saying there's a certain attitude that emerges in these threads and while it may not be your own, all these comments tend to add up to something bordering on the unpleasant.

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Women dont have to spy

Men would oblige if asked.

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Unhappy

Some things can never be unseen

I'm not sure that image is going to go for a while.

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Pint

And, prsy tell me Sheriff, are Scotsmen ...

who wear a kilt the "proper" way also guilty of "publicly exposing their persons in a shameless and indecent manner"?

Sounds like Scotland has become a Nanny state.

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Re: And, prsy tell me Sheriff, are Scotsmen ...

I suppose that when they are on a trampoline then yes, they would.

Just picture it. A freeze frame, just after the apex of the bounce, on the way back down again as the whole thing billows upward in a Monroe-esque manner.

Now I bet you wish you hadn't.

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size matters

"publicly exposing their persons in a shameless ..."

Would rather depend on if they had any reason to have shame, surely?

Paris, because, well, really, just because.

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IT Angle

Sounds

a bit of a tosser to me

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IT Angle

what....

...a load of old wank

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"approaching his neighbours house"

Unless the trampoline base was moving or they live in the flat above him, he wasn't doing this vertically. The inference that he was doing this "horizontally" brings to mind several images that might be NSFW. Is there more to this than we are being told?

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Huzzah!

It's good to see Ms Bee's name appearing on stories again on El Reg, instead of watching her soul slowly getting destroyed by the foul creatures of the comments section.

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Re: Huzzah!

Aw.

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he just wants to f**k you.

White knight much?

Anywho, this crazy sexual deviant got let off.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/5014450.stm

Please actually read the article. She was not in her BACK garden but strolling down a shared driveway. Sure she wasn't actually visibly masturbating but still, there's no reason to walk, nude.. knowing you are in plain sight of your neighbours. How can anyone fail to realise that this could be offensive?

I think she's either mentally deficient or the though of being seen gets her wet..

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Nudity is not illegal in the UK

Only if it is done to cause harm or distress I think...

I look forward to the day when nudity laws are clarified so just being nude where someone can see you can't cause you to be arrested if you are not committing a crime!

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IT?

Fun as it is, what's this got to do with IT? What's next, Lolcats?

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Re: IT?

It's in the Bootnotes section you blithering cretin.

Never has so little had to be explained by me to so many so often.

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Suggestion

Add a highly visible note to the end of these stories saying that maybe? Then again, when people still ask that having seen it elsewhere it might not work in the slightest...

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the nature of bootnotes stories

has been well explained many times - can't you adjust your moderation rules to simply block these comments on the grounds that the author lacks the mental capacity to go outside on their own?

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Pint

Very apt Churchill mis-quote

How about Kennedy or Martin Luther King next?

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Nothing...

...indicates that he was being a dick as far as neighbors go, trimming the grass with loud lawnmowers at 4:00am or listening to loud music.

1. "You should do it on spring". He got it wrong.

2. Who was having a dick time? He or the neighbor?

PS. Having a nice time with the missus on trampoline should be really interesting. Gonna try it sometime. If I ever find a trampoline.

Mine is the trenchcoat. The one with "insert pervert here" written inside.

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...If I ever find a trampoline.

...or I suspect, a girl

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RSI

"PS. Having a nice time with the missus on trampoline should be really interesting. Gonna try it sometime."

It has it's ups and downs.

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Trampolines and the missus

I've done that with a missus, not mine at the time, and it is lots of fun trust me. Said trampoline was fortunately in a spot where it would be damn near impossible for any neighbour to spot us.

Unfortunately now that we are together, we got rid of the trampoline.

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Respect

This guy deserves his own reality TV show

> the boinging Burden with cigarette in one hand and - ... - his "manhood" in the other.

... and who says blokes can't multi-task?

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Britain's Got Talent

Where's Simon now that we need him?

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re, Hot chicks on a trampoline

They were wearing bikinis - where can I find the naked ones?

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First, Donkeys paragliding...

Now this..

It's been a long week.

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Playmobile reconstruction, etc.

Really, I mean it. There are important questions that need answering. Like what kind of loser calls the police rather than just going back to bed and forgetting about it?

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Not possible

At least one elbow would be required

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What The....AHHHHHHH MY EYES!

I suspect with one glance the image was permanently ingrained in his neighbor's retina. Reconstructing via Playmobile could risks secondary effects like mass temporary blindness, a dramatic increase in calls to the fire department from smokers attempting to have imitation trampoline sex in their bedrooms, etc. No, I think this one is best just left to the imagination.

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Sad...

I'm very sad that the BBC doesn't appear to have a stock photo for this incident.

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Great neighbours ei?

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Sex offenders register?

Wasn't that for people who, you know, actually committed sex-related offences?

I mean, yes, poor judgement to have a good toss and bounce at five am and expecting nobody to be around to spot you in your own back yard as opposed to, I don't know, parliament square at noon. But does that warrant putting a massive "sex mark" on someone ensuring he'll be branded for life and will have to fess up to this event every time he's looking for a job, gets a parking ticket, whatever?

This is function creep, making the register creepier than all the people on it together. And though not all are that creepy*, there are some righteous creepy people on it. Even the Victorians weren't that creepy.

Thus, this sort of blacklist I can't help but feel is yet another overarching database that is doing more harm than good. Besides, it was pretty superfluous already if you assume that the judicial system works as it should. Which, true or false, either way, is pretty damning on the people running that show.

* Is the guy who thought he'd had good fun with a 16yo only she turned out to be only 10, and _the judge agreed with him_ that she looked mature enough to be mistaken, really such a criminal that he deserves to be on that list? Well, he is, for life. So to be sure to stay off, what do we now do, ask your friend for the night for an ID card before? What?

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Re: Sex offenders register?

*Ten*? Dude. I think that merely reflects quite poorly on the judge, who should have looked a bit beyond the photo and questioned what sort of idiot couldn't tell a ten-year-old from a 16-year-old after talking to them for any length of time.

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sex offenders register

The sex offenders register isn't worth the paper it's printed on for protecting people.

Just a tool the powers at be can use to ruin your life.

But i'm glad I'm safe from people having sex with their bikes in a locked room and men masterbating in on their own trampoline at 5am.

Stupid world we live in run by ----s

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Well tbh

You obviously haven't spent any time in Gosport or Portsmouth, the vast majority of the population sound like 5 year olds till they're well into their 50s

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Bounce and Toss?

Isn't that a bit like Pitch and Putt?

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Better examples of people who were/were threatened to be put on the list who shouldn't be

People caught urinating in public, the schoolboy who was twanging bra-straps, and teenagers sexting each other.

(No, I don't have references, but I don't think I've fallen for something a tabloid made up)

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