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Beer drinkers in the Czech Republic, and that's most of country, will be raising a glass today to celebrate a local victory against Anheuser-Busch, the maker of US "beer" Budweiser. The problem was that one of the Czech Republic's most famous beers, and biggest exports after Škodas and Semtex, is called Budweiser Budvar. The …

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A victory for common sense and decent lager

Congratulations to Proper Bud*! In celebration I might try the 3 Budvar thing tonight.

* As opposed to scarily yellow American piss

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Oh dear

I suppose the guys from Anheuser-Busch will just have to search for another European-sounding name for their beer-style product. I understand Gnatspisz, a venerable Hungarian product, is available and sounds quite appropriate.

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Gnatswhat?

Even teh Google doesn't know this string of letters.

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Good.

I know which i prefer, and where "Budweiss" is (unlike your average septic).

Besides, Czech beer has a history of being the yardstick by which many are measured. Take Pilsen as well. Still like Staropramen the best though......

No i am really thirsty.....Damn you El Reg!

Beer.....Natch....

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Re: Good.

Staropramen? You're weird.

I'll stick with the Pilsner Urquell, or the Budvar, or the Krusovice (especially the dark stuff), or, well, just about anything Czech except Staropramen really.

About the only thing it's got going for it is that it's cheap*. It's also quite likely to give you the trots (and I do not mean that drinking it risks the return of a communist government).

*Except groundside at Ruzyne airport, where it's the most expensive beer in CZ by a wide margin.

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What I would prefer right now

would be Starobrno or Dalesice.

Should have drunk more of it when I was there last week.

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Czech beer

I'll have Kozel, thanks!

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title

I assume claiming that stuff was beer was the reason for the refusal

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A sensible decision for once

now is there any way they can have the US version classified as something other than beer?

There are decent American beers but Budweiser isn't one of them.

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Amen, Brother

After spending many years living in Europe and drinking local brews, I cannot stand the recycled water that many of my fellow countrymen here in the U.S.A. call "beer". That goes for Miller, Coors, Bud, etc. Give me a good lager, ale, or stout any day.

BTW, I believe it's now 5 O'Clock somewhere...

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New name for US Budweiser?

Does this mean that the US Budweiser will have to be called something different in the EU now?

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No...

...it already has existed for sometime.

It was a simple case US Bud tried to buy / force out EU Bud name.

EU bud name no longer has to worry about trademark infringements / being bullied by larger US rival.

So basically they can both exist side by side.

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New nickname...

...is Beach Sex

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ITYM

.... Love in a Canoe :-)

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Re: new name

Anheuser-Busch's American Feline Excrement has been sold for a few years in Europe as "Anheuser Busch B" to avoid a trademark battle until this issue was legally settled.

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rice beer

The american budweiser is made with rice, FFS. How is that even a beer?

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Real Beer, real victory

Can't raise a glass of Budvar tonight as I am driving but I will make a point of sampling both Czech and _good_ US beer at the GBBF next week.

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Title goes here

I have always suspected that the difference in taste between the Czech beer and the American beer is that the American beer appears to have gone through one additional filtration system prior to bottling, most likely a human being.

Yeah, go go Czech beer, I love ya!

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Obligatory Monty Python reference

What have making love in a canoe and American beer got in common

They're both fucking close to water...

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Another

"It's not a bottle for drinking, it's one for laying down and avoiding"

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Monty Python? I doubt it.

I think Monty Python is unlikely to be the origin of the "love in a canoe" simile since I'm sure that I heard it in Western Canada sometime in the late '50s or early '60s.

Not that I would disparage that fine group -- I couldn't possibly, not after Mr. Cleese announced "Michael, you're no longer the funniest Palin".

G.

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Semtex?

So after blowing something up, you can have a nice cold one?

Seriously though, I'm here in America, and even I can't stand that pisswater.

Discovery Channel mentioned that Prohibition killed all the American beers, since they had to switch to non-alcoholic drinks and apparently lost their recipe/skill in the meantime. So even though they've "been around since 1852" that doesn't mean anything... the real American Budweiser is long dead, killed by the "can't stand anyone having fun" christians.

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@gene cash

Another reason for prohibition was to get back at the German-Americans who supported Germany in WW I. The beer brewing industry so heavily controlled by the German-Americans the meetings were held using German instead of english.

Even after prohibition many state had laws reducing the strength of the beers. Hence the bottled water. Before the microbrewery craze the only beer using German style brewing methods was Micholobe.

Mines the one with the botte of Sam Adams.

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"...the maker of US "beer" Budweiser."

LOL.

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Pub anyone?

I really have a fierce thirst now. And not for the merkin piss at that...

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Fair play to the Czechs, but

Most of the guys I know around Prague wouldn't consider drinking either Staropramen or Budvar, which seem to be held in the same contempt as Australians show for Fosters and XXXX.

Now, Gambrinus on the other hand ...

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@Rob Crawford

Decent American beers? It's an interesting concept!

Glad to see common sense prevailed for once, and that the proper, decent, drinkable Budweiser has won the day! They'll have their revenge of course, we'll have to start calling those glass things in walls "wall openings" or some such malarkey, when BG decides to enforce his trademarks!

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Yes, decent American beer

"Decent American beers? It's an interesting concept!"

While in England some years ago, the only American beers I saw were Bud and Rolling Rock. Upon commenting on that, a local imparted this wisdom: countries only export the beer they don't want to drink themselves. That's why 90% of the time English beer in the US is Bass or Newcastle Brown (although I don't mind the Newcastle).

There are a couple mid-size US brewers that make decent beer, and tons of small brewers. Sam Adams (although I'm not a huge fan), Magic Hat, or Victory (which I have the luck to live within 20 miles (32 km) of. :) ). And those are just East Coast.

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"countries only export the beer they don't want to drink"

Which is why you seldom see Fosters here in Oz

(Typed while drinking a bottle of Cascade,,,)

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Na zdraví, indeed!

I will drink to this (although I only have some Swedish Three Towns beer in my fridge at the moment.)

*burp*

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bud?

i fear it will simply be called "Bud" which will annoy me.

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In France

> i fear it will simply be called "Bud" which will annoy me.

Hasn't it been simply called Bub in France for the last 10->15 years already for this very reason. I thought the French had decided against the US giant on this years ago and banned them using the name. At least I'm sure that is what the French barman I used to know told me.

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US "beer"...

...superb...

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Ignorance

Ignorance is bliss isn't it?

When you talk of US beer what you mean is beer brewed by large corporations. We have exactly the same problem in europe. If you're old enough you'll remember the fizzy keg piss that was commonly sold in the UK a few decades back. This stuff was cheap to brew and had a long shelf life so the big brewers like it even though drinkers don't. As a direct result of this stuff becoming almost ubiquitous CAMRA was formed. The breweries appeared to give in and start brewing proper beer, but they didn't really. They brewed the stuff, but it was still hard to come by and the guest beer was always "off" in most tied houses. They switched their cheap brewing allegience to nasty fake Pilsners such as Hoffmeister and convinced everybody they should be drinking them. Pressure to brew "real beer" continued and such crap as "smooth" beers and "premium lagers" appeared, these are still cheap to brew and tastless. Clever advertising has convinced a lot of people that "smooth" beers are real beer and that premium lagers are somehow more real than the fake Pilsner piss we had pushed at us for years. Guess what? They're not. Smooth stuff is just a new way of having cheap beer with a long shelf life. Premium lagers are the same old piss brewed stronger, still tasteless and still not real beer.

Yup big British breweries have been doing the same things to beer and beer drinkers as the likes of AB for decades, but maybe the brit breweries did not have quitew such agressive business practices as AB.

There are plenty of independent breweries in the US brewing absolutely beautiful beers. Just like the UK most of them are regional and you have to drink or shop in the right places to get them, but they are there.

And you all seem to have missed the point that Bud is no longer a US beer as such anyway. Since AB were absorbed into the InBev giant it's become a world beer. But if there is any significance in the fact that AB Inbev are headquartered in Europe then it's a Eurpopean beer.

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Follow that bear

I liked Hoffmeister. It didn't pretend to be anything it wasn't and you didn't have to sit in a dull, brown, old mans pub listening to a bunch of anal retards banging on about how warm, cloudy, chewy water was the next best thing to nirvana.

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I feel sad

The triumph of marketing over quality that [the American] buttwiper represents makes me fear for the future of humanity. Ok, that might be a smidge melodramatic, but I can't honestly think of a beer more undeserving of selling in such volumes.

As an old friend of mine once said: "I'd rather drink my own warm piss".

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Bud

Not only can they not make beer, they can't spell either: ie "Bud Lite".

$diety only knows how one could make Bud in a "lite" version to begin with.

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Thank goodness...

...that reason prevailed.

That anyone should think US Budweiser is a beer in anything but name should be taken outside and pelted with their own shite. They should be hauled up under the Trades Description Act then flogged.

Major Road-Works (Retd)

Tunbridge Wells

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@ Rob Crawford

Agreed Rob. There are many interesting micro-breweries in the US making many interesting beers. Budweiser, on the other hand (a) is neither "beer", nor "pilsner" by it's technical yardstick, and (b) is complete pisswater.

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I've never understood the Yanks' claim...

"We had the name first so it's ours"

"OK. So where did you get the name from,, as it sounds awfully similar to the town our beer is made?"

"....."

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IIRC,

the Anheuser-Busch brewery bought a license to use the name from the original brewerysomewhen in the early 1900s, for use in North America only.

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"another European-sounding name"

What, you don't like the Malay ring of Anheuser or the Chinese look of Busch?

A hell of a lot of the old line American beers have or had European sounding names (Hamm, Pabst, Coors, Busch, Heileman's, Schmidt's, Heurich etc. etc.) because the eponymous founding brewers were immigrants from, well, Europe.

It is true that many too many of them fell off badly from their origins, alas. I applaud the Czech triumph.

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3 Budvar?

From my experience, one of the best things about 'real' beer such as Bedweiser Budvar, is that you can drink just about as many of them as you want, as they are of a less polluted nature.

unlike your 'sex in a canoe' beers like carling/fosters/carlsberg etc...

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to be fair to the 'merkins

when stuck in san diego due to work commitments ( GET THE PROJECT FINISH FOR GODS SAKE).. I was terrified that I might be stuck with the choice of Bud or Bud Light.

But , not only was there a bar where one could get Pilsner Urqel ( amongst 400 different beers, 100 on draft!!!!). There was also an amazing choice of 'locally' and not so local American beers. I'd especially recommend the Karl Strauss selection for one ( or err more ;) ).....

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American beer

There are plenty of American brewski that are top notch and very tasty. But you won't get them for eight bucks a twelve pack. "B" isn't even the most foul of the major brands. That honor goes to Miller Light, which has all the flavor of a pus-encrusted band-aid (or "plaster" for you Brits) and none of its visual appeal.

IT angle? It's about BEER! There's your IT angle right there.

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There is no beer like Belgian beer

And you have not tasted beer until you've had a Brigand, or a Grimbergen Triple, or an Orval, and I could on and on for a lot longer than the size limit allows.

I bless the fact that I live not far from the Belgian border, so as to be able to easily sample any number of simply astounding beers whenever I fancy.

The Brigand, the Duvel, the Mort Subite, the Kwak with its hourglass-shaped glass that is the foundation of so many laughs (and spills !) . . .

No. Nobody can make beer like the Belgians.

Not the Aussies, not the Germans, not the Czechs and most certainly not Americans.

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Belgian beer

While I agree that Belgian beer is some of the best in the world, I cannot help but think that Europe in general is stuck in a beer rut. The only real taste advances in beer is happening in America. It's about the taste -- not the tradition. Get over it already and start enjoying the many varieties of 'beer' from every country (even Italy -- yeah, yeah, I know).

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Why Anheuser-Busch called it "Budweiser"

Because no one would buy "Horse Piss in a Can".

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MMMMmmmmMMMMmmmm beeeerr....

American microbreweries and smaller brewing companies have been going through a quiet transformation combined with incredible growth since the '70s. If you can't get a good local brew anywhere in the U.S. it's because you're not trying. I'm partial to James Page (Wisconsin), Summit (Minnesota), Fat Tire (Colorado), Bigamy (Utah. Motto is "Because one is not enough!"), Anchor Steam (San Francisco), Leinenkugel (Wisconsin again), and a couple from Michigan whose names escape me.

Mind you, all of the above, except for Anchor Steam, are breweries with many lines, not just a single brand. Summit, for example, puts out a stout that I'll stack up to any other. :-)

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Leinenkugel

I'm pretty sure that one has been around for a long time. But since you seem to know the upper Midwestern beers, is Augsburger still going strong?

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