Space boffins believe they may be on the verge of discovering a vast, hidden network of tunnels beneath the surface of the Moon. Pit crater in the Mare Tranquillitatis. Credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University Collapsed pit-crater shaft leading down to a sub-selenean tunnel? The tunnels aren't thought to be the work of long …
I think you need to clarify one sentence
"President Obama has lately stated that there will be no manned return to the Moon"
ITYM "no *American* manned return to the Moon", or at least not until after the Chinese get there.
Isnt this where the Clangers and Soup Dragon have been living for decades?
Not to mention the Iron Chicken and the Froglets.
Ha, they don't make TV like that any more.
PS. El Reg, Can we have a nostalgia icon?
No, no, no!
Oh, this is too much. I can no longer sit idly by while people perpetuate this myth that the Clangers live on the Moon.
Listen to Postgate's opening remarks to practically any episode (DVD available from all good online retailers) and it is quite clear that the Clangers' planet is far away, hanging amidst the infinite void, silent and serene, all alone in the inky blackness of space.
So pack it in, do you hear? End this foolishness! There are NO CLANGERS ON THE MOON.
By gum. Is it Friday already?
@ Gordon 10
A cure for the world's food shortages! Blue String Pudding!
I think you'll find Torchy, the battery boy got there first
//So pack it in, do you hear? End this foolishness! There are NO CLANGERS ON THE MOON//
But it was well documented that they had invented space travel, it's quite possible that Clangers have been visiting for some time, and the Moon is a similar scape to the Clangers planet so it would make sense they preferred the Moon to earth.
You cannot prove there are no Clangers on the Moon therefore there must be some.
Don't believe everything you're told!
It's just BBC misinformation. They lied to us to stop us building musically powered boats to fly up there and visit.
According to Futurama, there is an alternative lifeform
We're whalers on the Moon
We carry a harpoon
But there are no whales
So we tell tall tales
And sing our whaling tune
I loved the original Clangers
But I hated the George Lucas remake from 1977.
Just what made those tunnels..?
Anyone who read the book "Major Matt Mason - Moon Mission" as a kid will know :-)
First Men in the Moon -- H G Wells
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress -- Robert A Helinlein
The Moon is Hell -- John W Campbell
See http://www.biblioinfo.com/moon/sf_moon.html for a long list of moon related SF.
"Nor is any involvement by Tibetans, Elvis or others seeking a secluded dwelling far from prying human eyes suspected."
They were constructed by Thetans.
I for one
Welcome our lunar overlords so long as they aren't Elvis fans
If the moon is 1/6th Earth's size
Will there be prople at the entrances to these tunnels selling copies of the Small Issue?
Where's the "+1, WTF" button?
But they still can't find the Lancaster bomber...
Well now we now
It's _Swiss_ cheese.
GIANT MOON WORMS! (made the tunnels)
Why don't they send some astronauts up to investigate the tunnels??
Oh wait.... that would involve astronauts actually GOING to the Moon and landing - something which NASA can't allow because that would make these people the first to ever land on the Moon, which would ruin their lunar landing fakery
FAIL (because they never went in the first place!!) *puts on tin-foil hat*
I could make a hobby of trolling
Don't you think if "they" were capable of faking a moon landing to such an extent then "they" would be able to also lie about the newer, real astronauts not being the first?
FAIL because nutjob conspiracy theorists never let logic get in the way of a good argument with a devil's advocate.
What about if the astronauts find that the real moon simply does not match the fake moon of so many years ago? eh?
Nasa can hardly play the 'franchise reboot' card....
For god sake
if the Soviet Union did not denounce the 'fakery' of the moonlanding, when they were the most eager to proof that the landing was fake, then there is not conspiracy to talk about.
The moon-landing was an USA PR campaign again the Soviets.
The Soviet with 3 bloody radio telescope can pinpoint (basic telemetry) if the transmissions were from a localization at the lunar surface( and for sure they did check and recheck).
The soviet didn't deny the Apollo success.
either the moon landing happened or the whole world is rule by a single group entity that staged the Cold War.Do you believe that?
Of course I do
and they're 12 foot tall blood drinking lizards.
'When the lava cools and solidifies, there is often an open space left above its surface, forming a tunnel.'
The surface of the lava cools rapidly and solidifies to form the hard surface, but the conductivity of basalt is so low the lava in the middle of the flow continues to remain liquid. The molten lava flows downhill under gravity and reappears near the toe of the flow advancing it somewhat. Eventually the supply of new lava from the vent ceases, the remaining lava in the tube drains downhill and you're left with a tube. If you go to Hawaii or Iceland you can walk along some lava tubes and they are very spooky places.
Similar tubes have also recently been spotted on Mars.
On a selenological note - if they're big enough they might make a good place to build a lunar base as the overlying rock will provide some insulation from heat, cold and any meteorites whizzing around.
Very good place for lunar bases
Since they're probably reasonably gas-tight, already. The lava can only flow out because there is something to take it's place. That something, usually, being gas. Anything that can hold gas long enough for molten rock to solidify on a nearly airless world is worth investigating.
Why would something need to take the lava's place, for it to flow out? All it needs is somewhere to flow to. It is not like a pipette with your finger over the end, where the atmospheric pressure holds the water in place, there is no atmosphere there.
However, they do sound like an excellent place for a moon base, just choose your length of tunnel, nicely sealed with basalt, and fit a door at each end.
I've been looking for undercover parking for my Eagle for bloody years.
Nice "Space 1999" reference!
I really loved the Eagle landers - and the Hawk fighter that appeared in one episode! Had both of them as Airfix models ...
"long-extinct (or perhaps still surviving) intelligent moon aliens"?
I think you will find they were/are actually native so not aliens at all, unless of course you think they came from 'out there' and preferred living on the moon to living on good old Terra.
a robot mission to the moon?
well wilst they are their with robots, i presume that they have some sort of video feedback. they can go video the flag that they place on the moon and prove that the moon landing video wasnt a fake? if they dont video it i will forever think it was a fake landing :D
@a robot mission to the moon?
And America would never fake that too....Would they?
can't fool me ...
As if we don't know that this dialogue has been faked to 'prove' that there is a moon landing controversy.
Actually this message has also been faked to prove that there is a fake series of postings about a fake moon landing.
Solipsism, anyone? I'm buying.
Won't somebody think of the children?!?!
This is obviously just the first step in a Lunar-Crab-People invasion. First they have opened the roof on their lunar-crab-lair to reveal their network of lunar-crab-tunnels, the next step is surely to launch lunar-crab-missiles at earth.
While they bombard Earth from the lunar surface (or more accurately, just under the lunar surface), the lunar-crab-people's Earth-bound brethren, The Crab-People, will begin their conquest by sending in the elite crab-stormtroopers.
Our days are numbered.
Failing that, no doubt this is just the bad-guy from You Only Live Twice with yet another volcano with a sliding roof-door.
Aren't they for the extension to the Jubilee line?
Lunar Lava tubes predicted by A.C. Clarke
. . in "The Last Theorem", a book otherwise lacking any noteable advatages.
I don't know
It has the advantage that it's not 'Garden of Rama'.
Were the species that made the tunnels killed off by a common cold? Hold on now, didn't HG Wells use the same plot device in War of the Worlds too?
You're thinking of the 1960's movie with Lionel Jeffries and Edward Judd. That has a human lunar landing set of bookends. I've never read the book so what happens there is (I suspect) *completely* different (I'll guess the party get back to the sphere and escape to Earth but live with knowledge of the potential arrival of the Moon people if they ever manage to reverse engineer Cavorite.
According to the Manual of Improbable History, the Lunnites were killed off by the uncommon hot. Fortunately, the disease died with them, and all that's left here on Earth is the much weaker, common cold.
Yes, it's Friday, innit?
One the moon?
I was under the impression that a (part) molten core was needed for lava.
I didn't think that the moon had ever had a molten core.
I call cover-up!
Ode to Richard Hoagland.
Replying to Samuel Walker's post above:
There is plenty of evidence of ancient lava activity on the moon right in front of your
face (okay, a good lens set helps). THey are called mares, ancient lava flows.
Those huge bloched areas . Can't miss em.
So, ye olde moon had plenty of ancient lava activity.
So, the aliens came in later and made use of these tubes. That much is obvious.
If only Art Bell was still alive and broadcasting. Such a lost opportunity.
"Let's get drunk and make shit up".
I know it's Friday an' all
I was under the impression that lava tubes were needed to account for lunar rilles.
The question then is why isn't there more rubble lying about from collapsed tubes? It should be everywhere.
I call hand-waving!
The lunar maria (seas) were giant lava flows, presumably from impacts, but possibly with a little help from volcanism due to internal heat.
'Lava Tubes', eh?
Moon Nazis is what it is. Iron Sky, anyone?
Here's a wild idea.
Why not send up some Spirit / Opportunity style roving robots, maybe ten of them, up to the moon, then charge premium rate RC moon buggy action to the semi-rich or major moon afficionados to drive the things around the moonian surface with live video feed for an hour or so?
According to the intarnets, there will likely be a 2.6 second (or so) delay lag before you see the results of your controls over the robots, as opposed to the hours for the martian rovers. Not too shabby.
...might raise enuff fundage for a man-moon trip without Obamas lack of vision being a factor, whilst at the same time raising interest in the place. Could even arrange excursions to overhang and observe these weird lava pits too.
Good places for a base - out of radiation etc. And if you're really lucky aligned right for sticking a magnetic catapult in to shoot stuff into space.
"First Men in the Moon" with the wonderful Lionel Jeffries
Iron Sky marketing?
Seems like the Fins have found some major backing for their movie then..
Since sub is a Latin stem and Selene is a Greek Goddess, surely it should either be hyposelenean, or sublunar? Personally, I think hyposelenean has a nice ring to it...
Apologies for pedantry...
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