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Microsoft is giving users of Windows Vista and Windows XP Professional software extra time to put off their migration to Windows 7. Before today, Microsoft said that after the release of the first Windows 7 Service Pack – which hit beta today and is due in the first half of 2011 – customers buying Windows 7 would no longer be …

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feedback?

"SP1 for Windows 7 is a wrap of updates available through Microsoft's Windows Update service combined with hotfixes based on feedback Microsoft said it has received from customers and partners."

I really don't know how microsoft gets feedback from ordinary joes like me. I thought you had to pay to be allowed to talk to them.

Can someone explain how to make simple bug reports for e.g. MSword in the same way as bugzilla-type systems for OOo or Linux or Firefox?

We do need a big sod-off question mark icon for the perplexed.

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Downgraded purchases.

So. Some Windows 7 licences claimed as sold are actually Win 7 equipped PC's downgraded to XP, some are actually Win 7 equipped PC's wiped and Linuxed. Some are actually options purchased by PC manufacturers and not yet built or sold.

I wonder how much of 'Microsoft's most successful OS ever' is actually used.

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Alright, alright, here's a bloody title

Actually, whilst we're still deploying with XP, this is only pending the sorting out of some compatibility problems with one of our apps (ironically enough, a Microsoft one). We intend migrating to 7 as soon as that's sorted; it's a LOT better and runs on some fairly basic hardware.

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Gates Horns

And Vista before it

The two machines I use most, a quad core at home and a core 2 duo laptop, both arrived with Vista and were promptly "rescued" with Ubuntu. I spent about a week playing with Vista on the quad just to see what I was escaping and then happily wiped it. The laptop never even booted into Vista (used the paper clip trick to open the CD before hitting the power switch).

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Windows 7

Same shit different deployment model.

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Windows 7 still lags behind XP users

Perhaps this also means that Windows 7 Professional and Enterprise is not being adopted among school and company IT departments as fast as Microsoft hoped.

One reason for this is the increased difficulty of creating and copying custom local user profiles on client PCs with Windows 7 (compared to Windows XP), and another is the lack of any easy upgrade path from XP (apart from reloading everything).

Didn't MS notice that Windows XP was their best-selling OS prior to 7's release, and remains so? Far and away, XP has the biggest user base of any current Windows OS:

Operating System Market Share

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10

Don't throw away a bird in the hand, Steve.

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My least favourite feature of Win 7 is

This version of (program name) is not compatible with the version of Windows you're running. Check your computer's system information to see whether you need a x86 (32-bit) or x64 (64-bit) version of the program, and then contact the software publisher.

Other Win 7 machines have the nasty bug of no VGA DOS graphics support, unlike 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP.

I still use XP at home and will continue to.

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Until W7 supports all the legacy stuff I have

It is not worth it trying to upgrade. XP with all the SW and HW I've got does what I need, I've run the W7 upgrade adviser and it has indicated that I got problems that will take time and money to sort out. The only reason I can see to upgrade from XP to W7 is to make more money for M$. I've been looking at Linux and all the HW will work and using wine under Linux and it appears that it has about the same issues with the SW as W7 has. So if M$ plays silly buggers I may make the change!

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MS in a nutshell, there

decisions driven purely by marketing concerns rather than technical ones. MS doesn't actually care if you're running 7, as long as you've got a disc with a copy of it on somewhere that they can claim as another sale.

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Only one reason to upgrade...

...is (as I understand it) XP's inability to support AES wireless security. And then if you do "upgrade" from XPsp3 to Win7, be ready for your system performance to drop to about 1/3 of what it was (personally experience, I am watching build scripts now take 3 times as long).

Or use the fact that Win7 is a totally alien environment to try a Linux distro and see if anyone actually notices!

There is one benefit with Win7, Flash is woefully unstable so there is less annoying web-crap. Although it does mean that Quake Live won't work. :o(

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Upgrades Add...

...features. The newest version of <insert software here> takes advantage of improvements (Moore's law) in hardware.

Adding an upgrade to old hardware is guaranteed to result in slower operation.

Beer seems to slow my operation also.

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Downgrade to Vista?!?!?!

Seriously? There are people who would willingly downgrade from W7 to Vista? I can understand downgrading to XP but... VISTA???? Are they completely bonkers?

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RE: Downgrade to Vista

Maybe they're doing so because Vista still has the "classic" XP interface to make it look and feel like XP.

7 totally removed that.

Fail icon for MS, not the poster.

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Gates Horns

I think

the IT depts are just waiting until everyone is familiar with W7 at home then they can roll it out no problem.

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I still run Vista

I run Vista SP 2 Business never had a problem or any issues, to be honest at this time I do not see the need to move Windows 7. Microsoft has to do more to entice me to move, like upgrade discounts around 30% or so, I mean it's not cheap to go out and get the upgrade.

Linux gives you free updates and upgrades that is avenue that I am seriously considering.

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Re: Upgrades add...

Disco-Legend-Zeke said: "Adding an upgrade to old hardware is guaranteed to result in slower operation."

Unless it is an Apple Mac where the opposite is true.

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Really...

...so sticking the latest Mac OS on a pre Intel box will make it run faster?

Funny, I thought it bricked it.

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Ironically

W7 seems to be, as far as I've understood, like an old distro without drivers for any current hardware.

Let aside the backward compatibility of some soft (if not some MS-DOS softies, which are the technical burden of the Microsoft's monopoly)

But at least, W7 (aka Vista SPx) is really a multi-user system now. Or it seems to be.

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most successful operating system ever - questions

"The message was that Windows 7 is Microsoft's most successful operating system ever"

In what context?

Does that mean the earlier version of windoze were not a success?

The least number of bugs on release?

The biggest number of re-used lines of code?

The biggest profit margin?

Paris, who also likes success, and I'm sure cess likes it as well

Pa

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It's cuckoo time again........

Perhaps they might oneday get the hint that there are many long term resons why people do not upgrade either desktop or server.

We just bought into some Microsoft business software, shall remain nameless, and as I have anumber of shiny new servers as a result of the investment I thought that I would upgrade all my servers to 64 bit so I could utilise more memory and risk a migration to server 2008.

Along came the install team. 2 servers downgraded to server 2003 32bit and 1 to 2008 32bit, Microsofts own bloody software but it is unlikely to be compatible with their latest operating systems for another 2 years, by which time we will be on server nnn and maybe thinking of 128 bit.

<sarcasm>

Perhaps it will then run on 2008 64bit? About 2014 I guess!

</sarcasm>

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Marketing in a netshell, there

"Extending the downgrade option on Windows 7 means that Microsoft can still claim the Windows 7 sale and feed the operating system into the customer base, while letting customers continue to use the software they like until they're ready to move."

Not with any honesty they can't. If the punter is running XP, then they are part of the XP customer base. To claim anything else is a bare-faced lie. I'm sure a respectable corporation like Microsoft has no intention of such mis-representations, particularly since it might have a beneficial effect on their stock price.

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