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The government is set to refuse refunds to people who have forked out good money for ID cards. There will be a bill to abolish the cards, along with electoral and parliamentary reform - a move to equally-populated constituencies and to the Alternative Vote system - in the Queen's Speech tomorrow. But thousands of people …

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WTF?

Hmmm...

As I understand it they are still valid, so why would anyone need a refund?

In addition, when it passes it's expiry date then it will be worth a fortune, like a misprinted bank note!

Wish I had one.

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Ask Labour for a refund

Labour pressed ahead with this mad ID card scheme without a mandate from the public and despite clear warnings from all the other parties that they would abandon the project. If Labour did this for themselves, they should pay for it too.

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Nice try, but...

Political Party != Government

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Semantically speaking, you are right...

but the Labour party formed the Government that allowed the Civil Service to pursue this ill-conceived scheme. The OP was wrong because the Labour Government (see what I did there?) were mandated to govern the country by a majority vote, and by extension were mandated by those same voters to turn the country into Oceana. The populace always get the government they vote for...

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Change without mandate = betrayal

@AC: "The populace always get the government they vote for..."

Allow me to clarify why I hold Labour to account for this. We elect governments on the basis of their policies and perceived integrity. That provides the elected government with a mandate to proceed with its policies. An elected government can't turn its back on election policies and say, "great, now we are in office we can do as we please". It would no longer be the government people voted for.

Labour endeavoured to make sweeping changes to this country that were never debated or presented to the public (to provide a mandate for those changes). It also ignored growing calls for debate or justification, misrepresented the extent of the changes, and presented misleading statistics.

Friends and associates I spoke to about the ID card and linked database had almost no idea what Labour was doing, and were shocked when I presented the facts. Then, at various stages, Labour made statements that seemed to indicate it had stopped the scheme. When others expressed relief to me, I had to point out that nothing had changed and the scheme was still ploughing ahead. Again, the reaction was shock.

Labour betrayed the country by its actions and should be held to account.

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@Ralph 5

I agree that Labour are in fact culpable and in reading back my initial post, I don't think I made that clear. However, I still disagree that Labour had no mandate over ID cards. Politically, they didn't say that they wouldn't introduce ID cards and databases -- they didn't say that they would either. Please note that I don't think that exonerates them at all, I just think that to claim that they pursued this without public mandate is spurious.

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How much, then...

how much, then , do we charge the Tory party for the destruction of the national rail network, among *many* other sins!

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Do be quiet!

The railways were privatised under Labour and it was actually Wilson that went back on a promise over Beeching's Axe, closing the vast majority of the rail network! Labour supporters have never dealt in 'fact' (not that Tory supporters do either!), the reverence of Campbell within the party it testament to that. It's not as if the Conservatives are the only ones without sin either--I don't recall them taking us into an unwinnable *illegal* war over oil with claim of full scale attacks on major European cities with WMDs in under 45 minutes of the decision being made!

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Wish I had of got one now.....

In years to come they will be regarded as a collectors item!

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They should all write to Sad-Jacqui

She had 1000's of people writing to her asking when the ID Cards were coming in.

Maybe they should write to her now if they really want a refund.

She's looking for a job any offers out there for an over the hill, unemployable ex home secretary that has just lost her job and needs massive expenses to support her husbands porn habit.

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Cashback from the government...??

"..The government is set to refuse refunds to people who have forked out good money for ID cards..."

Like the Lottery, the ID Cards turned out to be a tax on stupidity and gullibility. Presumably these were the people who were calling for more government interference in our lives? I can't think of a better group of people to tax a bit!

Although, of course, these items may command a high price on ebay as rarities? Perhaps the early purchasers were cleverer than we thought.......

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Like the Lottery, the ID Cards turned out to be a tax on stupidity

I resent that implication. With the lottery there is a *chance* of coming out on top.

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don't you mean

you resemble that implication?

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Ha ha!

Ha hah ah ah ah ah ha ha ha ha ha! Mugs! Ha! Lol!

Hold on that was my money they wasted getting this pile of puppy-poop up and running!!!

*grumble* *grumble* Less for local services *grumble* Kids with no books *grumble* Freezing old folks *grumble*

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Serves 'em right....

Still, the "nothing to hide" brigade can take comfort in the fact that they will be useful for scraping ice from their car windscreens, next winter.

Having said that, those that were *forced* to have ID cards (foreign nationals) *should* be offered a refund as they had no choice in the matter.

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I think that...

ID cards for non-EU nationals are still on the cards (pun intended!)

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And to be fair

All the ID cards for non-EU nationals are is their old residence permits that are now a plastic card rather than a sticker in their passport.

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Can't we charge them even more now?

The people with ID cards should consider themselves lucky the database isn't being kept - with massively increased fines if they fail to keep their details current.

That's what I'd do anyway, let them have their Big Brother if seem to want it, and leave us in peace.

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keep their details current.

Now there's a thought. Unless the bill to repeal the ID card is worded correctly, those with ID cards may not get out of this obligation.

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Ha ha

Oh, how brilliant! First, why should they get a refund? They *WANTED* an ID card and were never given any guarantee that pubs, shops, banks, passport control etc. would be *required* to accept it forever. They paid out for it voluntarily. Nobody "made" them get an ID card, even if it seemed like that was imminent. They were fools at the time and were derided on this very website, in these comments pages.

To "refund" them would only cost every taxpayer more money for a scheme which attracted almost universal criticism and which only about 5000 people out of the population wanted... I can probably find groups on Facebook petitioning the government to sell the UK to China with more supporters than that. Nobody made them pay, they *wanted* to be alpha-testers for this stupid idea, in fact they had to pre-register in order to even be considered, so that's that. They paid their price, got their product - an ID card that was valid ID - and that's the end of it.

In other news, beta-testers for a new MMORPG that paid £60 to get on the testing list, before it was officially released, find out that the company has decided not to release the product in the end anyway. Same thing. You were wasting your money even *if* they were eventually made compulsory, and the warning signs that the whole thing would be scrapped were there in the media all the time... "the whole country", "every airport worker", "some immigrants", "oh, sod it, just a couple of volunteers from Manchester then..."

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haha

Now that we've weeded out the nations most dangerous assholes (i.e. the ones dumb enough to buy into ID cards, but smart enough to fill out the application form without chewing the corners) we should take serious proactive action to minimize their influence in society.

At the very least they should be made to sign some sort of common sense offender's register. Preferably however they should be made to wear some kind of electronic Dunce hat with warning lights and sirens built in so that the public know who they're dealing with. The hat could be linked to a traditional ankle bracelet via bluetooth, take the hat off and some coppers come round to give you a bloody good beating and exchange your old hat for a larger, more obnoxious one.

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Common Sense Offender's Register

"...At the very least they should be made to sign some sort of common sense offender's register..."

I Lol'd. Nice turn of phrase.

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With the exception of 'El Reg'

"...common sense offender's register"

Such a register would surely be bigger than all the registers in all the world combined?

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done...

... a rolled up copy of the daily mail under one arm

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Serves them right

The people that signed up to this and lost money deserved to lose it; they don't care about losing their freedoms, why care about £50 or whatever it was.

El Oh El.

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If you've got nothing to hide..

...you've got no refund coming.

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Sir

Boo Hoo, consider it a stupid tax.

</smug>

However I did buy a HIPS two days before they announced it was to be abolished.

</notsosmug>

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Re: HIPS

Ditto - I don't expect to see a refund, but it will make your property a little more saleable, as it saves the buyers coughing up for searches....

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re: as it saves the buyers coughing up for searches....

Isn't that one of the big issues with HIPS - the buyers didn't trust searches provided by the vendor so got their own anyway

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Idiot tax...

...for failure to see a monumentally bad idea and implementation when it rears its ugly head :)

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That's what voluntary means

If you want to pay for something useless, don't expect a refund.

Ask Steve Jobs.

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well

a fool and his money is soon parted.

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Boohoo

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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... nor refunds...

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Amen!

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That's assuming

That's assuming of course that this oil based product offers any form of safety whatsoever. Even the Jesus phone offers more safety than said peice of plastic.

Flame: cos plastics burn well the thermoplastic kind anyway.

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Petty and mean ?

Whilst I have no sympathy for the ID Card fanbois, who deserve to lose their money for supporting such a crackpot scheme, I would hope that those people who were forced to get a card as part of their job are refunded. And if they can't distinguish between the two, then all should have a refund.

Surely we can be magnanimous in victory ?

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Remove titles and shoot idiot who put them in in the first place

Idiot tax.

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They should

Refund the immigrants that were forced to get an ID card to work in the UK, I have no sympathy for those who voluntarily signed up though.

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Ha!

That'll teach 'em for trusting a Labour government. Fools.

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that will teach you for backing such a scheme

HA HA HA HA this is the funniest news about id cards so far and just what these people deserve for backing such a stupid system and allowing the former government to go "well X people have signed up so they can't be unpopular/bad".

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They want a what now?

I'm much, MUCH more supprised by the suggestion that people might be expecting a re-fund for their ID Card than the fact that they won't be getting one.

Good, you could call it a sheeple tax.

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From the original article

"The cards – which can currently be used to travel in Europe without a passport – will be invalidated and individuals who paid £30 for them will be forced to purchase a passport instead"

Did anyone successfully use one of those cards for anything?

However, an alternative spin would be "govt will repeal law threatening £1000 fine for those (stupid enough) to voluntarily obtain ID cards; failing to notify change of address"

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Just Proves the adage

about fools and their money doesn't it

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Must... resist...

urge... to.. gloat.

No, given in. Heh heh heh. Serves you right for jumping on the band wagon!

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Apparently...

...those with nothing to hide DID have something to fear after all...

BB, well, for old times' sake...

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voluntary or not?

It was only mandatory for new citizens that were here either because of being a student or getting married, everyone else bought them voluntarily.

So I just think of it this way, those that were forced were simply paying £30 for the privilege of living here and those that weren't forced were stupid enough to agree to such a ridiculous scheme in the first place.

No harm done really, especially as it'd supposedly cost 500mill to completely refund it all.

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Collectors Items?

Probably end up being worth more than they paid for them anyway.

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How sweet it is

Make the politicians who brought that crap in, pay refunds* to the suckers, errr, I mean early-adopters!

* from their own pocket too.

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And let me be

one of the enforcers.

I mean it.

I'll wear my bollock-kicking shoes.

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