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An 18-year-old Bedford yoof has secured what appears to be a landmark legal victory for those who prefer their trousers at half-mast, the Times reports. Ellis Drummond was facing an Anti-Social Behaviour Order (ASBO) "prohibiting him from using threatening behaviour, begging or entering the grounds of Bedford College", following …

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Happy

Alex Deane is right

He looks like he's dropped a turd in his pants.

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Paris Hilton

Cool strides

At least he'll not be able to run off if he breeches (pun intended) the ASBO.

Paris, coz she doesn't bother dressing the bottom half at all.

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maybe i'm old fashioned

but seriously, an ASBO for assault, possession of Class B drugs and theft?

It would be almost funny if you couldn't go to prison for not paying your TV licence.

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Tell me about it...

Young man I know - respectable, never in trouble and a hard worker. Had too much to drink one evening, and sensibly decided to walk his motorcycle home rather than ride it. Police followed him for 3 miles and then - smirking - arrested him for being 'drunk in charge'. He lost his licence, and because of that his career. Predictably, he gave up making any effort, and has been in trouble ever since. Nominally guilty I know - but surely not deserving of a punishment out of Les Miserables.

As opposed to another local chap - mindless, vicious thug in his 30s with a string of theft and violent convictions stretching back to his pre-teens. Never worked - never going to. Kicked a man unconscious, then assaulted two other people and the police who arrested him. Had to be strait-jacketed to be controlled. Given bail the next day, for heaven's sake! During the bail period, he assaulted 5 more people including me and my wife when we objected to him vandalising our car. The result? Six months community service. His original victim took longer than that to recover.

A bigger laugh - I narrowly escaped trouble because (retired and disabled) I had the audacity to use my walking stick to defend myself !!!

The whole system is a sad, sick, joke.

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driving toy car

bloke got his license taken away for driving a toy car on the pavement when drunk !!!

police pulled him over and arrested him

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Thank goodness...

...for sensible people like Deane - and Leigh-Smith. Do we really have nothing better to do with our courts than issue ASBOs for bad fashion?

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Underwear?

In the linked article he appears to be wearing a pair of football shorts under his trousers anyway (ie if he took his trousers of altogether, his attire would be perfectly acceptable in public). Whats the problem (apart from looking like an idiot).

Hoods are a difficult one. I often have my hood up if it is cold/raining, but I can also see that a group of hoodies with their faces covered for no legitimate reason could be intimidating. Difficult to legislate on that.

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Intimidating?

There are some folks who find black people in general intimidating. Should we want to legislate for that, too?

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Re: Intimidating?

Are you seriously comparing the colour of a person's skin, which they have no choice about (famous dead pop starts aside), to hanging around on a street corner with a hood on, looking shifty?

The whole question of whether the latter should be legislated against aside, well, the best word I can think of to describe your argument is 'meh'.

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title

You can't choose to be black.

You can choose not to obscure your face in public.

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WTF?

Sci-fi question

So you're saying that when somebody invents a pill, aerosol spray, booth into which you step or some other device that temporarily changes the colour of your skin, it will be OK to impose a colour bar?

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@A J Stiles.

Yes. Well, a qualified yes. For the first while after this becomes easy and thus common, the various tracking systems will have issues with people who are totally non-standard in colour. How will the facial recognition systems cope with someone who is painted like a zebra? Or bright orange?

As far as I know there are already jurisdictions that don't allow you to wear highly IR-reflective body or face paints. For that matter, people "dressed up" in coloured paints such that they have non-standard colours for their skin are regularly barred from certain establishments.

Perhaps the day will indeed come where federal legislation is considered in some western country that "you must walk around in the skin colour you were born to."

Do I personally think these rules are good, right, just and moral? No. Then again, I don't agree with tracking everyone all the time either.

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Yes

wait what ...

*dont feed the troll

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In an unlikely piece of logical thinking...

'The order also sought to prevent Drummond “wearing trousers so low beneath the waistline that members of the public are able to see his underwear”'

Not that he looks capable of it in the picture, but by applying a bit of convoluted logic, couldn't you argue thats a legal order to stop wearing underwear?

Mine's the one with the arse cut out.

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One might add

That photos of young teen males wearing low ridding trousers are much sort after by perverts.

http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?q=saggers

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Trousers

I looked at the pic.

He does indeed look like a right twat.

I think the funniest thing that could happen is if he had to try to run for the bus...

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Well... Did they mentioned...

...the usual condition of his underwear? Might be quite relevant, when showing it off in public.

Maybe not in the eyes of the law.

Just saying.

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Undies

I'm obviously getting very old, but I "don't get it" - the trousers half-way-down-your-legs thing. It looks bloody stupid for a start. And how do you stop them falling all the way down? Or run for a bus? In my day, of course, you would paint your hair pink, have studs in your head and wear a tatty leather jacket. That all seems perfectly reasonable - at least we didn't look like we'd shat ourselves!

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gangsta

It is a development of gangsta rap style. Prisoners in US jails are given ill fitting clothes and no belt. Hence the trouser half way down your legs. Makes it easier for them to be anally raped too.

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Will someone...

...Please explain to this poor lad how a belt works?

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I'm confused by this fasion.

I've always been lead to believe that it started with prisoners in the US advertising their availability and predilection for bending down in the showers?

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Public indecency?

I watched Harry Brown last night. If only grenades were legal.

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Origins

I don't know how true it is, but I've been told that the origin was from the US prison system where things like belts are confiscated and "not being part of the crowd" was dangerous. Thus all youths eventually copied the behaviour, thinking it a social necessity.

I love to explain this to the kids I work with... why are you wearing your trousers like a pillock? Because you are emulating someone stupid enough to get caught and who can't be trusted not to hang himself in his cell if you give him a leather belt. It makes them think twice.

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Alien

Not so much stupid as ........!

Dosn't look so much stupid as disabled

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What a twit

I know that the yoof of today will say that we are not kool and stuff. but WTF???

I saw this young women at the train station recently. Her trousers were so low the croutch was at her knees. She had to wear a very long top to hide her g-string. And yes I know it was a g-string because I saw it when the wind moved her top. the waist line was at least 3/4 downher arse FFS.

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AHA!!!!

I knew there was an upside to it somewhere !!!!!

*ill have the dirty old coat please

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I had the misfortune of spending 12 years of my childhood in Bedford

I got away as soon as I could. Need I say more?

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Bedford Magistrates Court....

....is an excellent place to go if you want to do some people watching. There are few layers of society that don't appear in there and it's quite fascinating if you have some time on your hands.

A friend of mine used to run the tea and cake stall in the reception area, the stories she could tell....

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Class 1 Idiot

I thought the style was for the trousers to be allowed to uncover half of the bumcheecks, not halfway down the thighs.... Grade A Plonker.

No one complains when the girls wear them like this though......

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Obviously..

..the judge is not a member of this FB group..

http://bit.ly/9wUcf5

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Joke

Doesn't he look stupid

He is the joke

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Wedgie!!

that is all

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Yep...

Compete Tool.

Do you think the Catholic Church would be interested in him and his garment styling?

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Trend Origins - Shocker!

I wonder if he would be so keen to wear his arse revealers all the time if he knew the true origin of the 'trend'.

In the States, the practice of wearing the trousers below the underwear line was started in the California prisons during the 1970's by certain inmates wishing to advertise their 'sexual availability' to any interested parties.

This has spread all over the world and it is highly doubtful that the scrotoids in Britain and the rest of the world or for that matter, actually know HOW this practice began, but it is nevertheless true.

I am sure that if you ask nicely and maybe give them a wink, any older inmate that is or has been incarcerated in California will attest to this.

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idiots

now if we could just pay some attention to the idiots, on generous public pay, that sought the ASBO for dressing badly, maybe the country would get somewhere

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Um...

Clearly missing the rest of the bits about the ASBO - you know the Assault, theft etc...

Of course I'm not entirely sure why they were to be dealt with via an ASBO rather than a more serious penalty, but hey I'm not a magistrate.

It's not like his only crime was looking like a Twat though

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OK,

OK, so he looks stupid, but who the hell runs for a bus? What kind of an argument is that?

A kid wearing misguided fashions may look stupid, but a middle-aged computer programmer running for a bus looks like a total loser. Wait for the next one, and get out of bed 5 minutes earlier tomorrow.

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Coffee/keyboard

BWWAAAHAAA

I Demand a new keyboard !!!

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You can judge for yourselves ....

....just how much of an idiot Drummond resembles right here.

He resembles a right arsehole . How can the bastard walk without falling on his face is what I'd like to know.

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Re: You can judge for yourselves ....

It's a controversial position you're all taking on this. I have to admire it.

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Sir

So, left arseholes look different somehow?

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Re: Sir

Yup, they look like this:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_01/cabinetlineupPA_468x192.jpg

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Less moans - more equality?

Come on folks - how about either banning girls who also show bum crack or just stop grumbling.

What they look like doesn't really matter - unless you were all dressed up as Little Lord Fauntleroy and are voting for the grown-up version tomorrow.

Most of us will have looked stupid or just plain odd to others when we were young.

Old man's trousers should also be banned, along with fat bastards who wear string vests and gold chains. ASBO for anyone with a small yappy dog in a bag, anyone driving a Toyota Pious and those who 'ironically' use 'LOL'.

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Arse cracks are not nice

Male or female it doesn't matter. Walking through the tables in a coffee shop or high street fast food outlet can be quite off putting as you negotiate the builder's cleavages.

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i agree

but it did make me LOL

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trousers at half-mast.

All he needs a good belt.

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Agreed..

"he needs a right belt"

In both meanings of the word.

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He Can't Beat the Original

http://www.wildaboutmovies.com/images_2/MarkWahlbergAlmostNaked.jpg

...mine's the hoodie...

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Legislation impossible

As the judge so rightly says, judging against this would be a breach of the Human Rights Act, not to mention Freedom of Expression.

That said though, each generation have their own set of "Twat-a-like's" and while they do seem to grow progressively worse, at least it has one major advantage.

It makes it easier to identify the idiots.

Say you are a Employer, if I see a guy like that coming in for a job interview, the guy could be Einstein Reborn and I would rather hire the cockroaches that live in his shoes than him.

While some of you seem to identify it as a "Hey im a wanna-be-gay-prison-dude", I identify it more as a signal of "Hey-im-a-guy-with-no-future" type, you know the sort, those that will be serving me fries at MacD when he is 40 or washing my car.

Let people express themselves as they wish with their clothing and looks, as long as you don't go over the limit and start running around with your 3'rd leg in the open

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But ...

While I'd love to join the "what the good lord does he look like, in my day ... " etc etc.

It should be remember that an asbo is a good way of criminalizing legal behaviour.

i.e.

Wearing trouser down by your knees - not illegal

wearing trousers down by your knees in contravention of an asbo - punishable by prison

Why I like to point and laugh at "da yoot" as much as the next middle aged IT worker, the idea that some clown can make almost anything an offence that can get you locked up is not a good thing. Not really funny. Quite scary in fact.

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