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We've all been wondering where Hewlett-Packard's high-end servers using Intel's latest Itanium and Xeon processors have been hiding. Well, it looks like the Itanium boxes will be announced on April 27. The company is being tight-lipped about exactly what it has planned for the April 27 event, but it appears to involve balancing …

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Where is he?

http://www.redhat.com/rhel/beta/

Conspicous in it's abscence, yep, thats the lack of Itanium support. RHEL + Microsh!te dropped Itanium so it must be considered a real specialists market, perhaps this announcement is nothing more than the kick of a dying beast?

Matt, as our local HP rep how long till HP engineering put their VMS / HPUX customers through another code port and another load of ISV's just don't bother to recompile? How small is the ISV App list on HPUX these days comparted to Linux, AIX or Solaris?

My money says VMS will code port to x64 within a year and thats assuming HP doesn't have engineering on it already. Dropping HPUX for Linux is easy but people fixate on VMS so it probably has more life.

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My Power7 box is arriving next week...can't wait to load up redhat is a test lpar....its only $16/day for a p7 core not to mention the 30day free trial that i will use first :-)

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I'm pretty sure you can add the announcement of the DL580 G7 to that list as well. That's the 4 socket Proliant with the Nehalem-EX chip. I can't absolutely confirm that, but I've heard a rumor through the grapevine. Also HP slipped slightly with their recent publication of the LSF V7.0.6 Overview document here:

http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13591_div/13591_div.HTML

It lists both the DL580 G7 and the DL980 G7 in the hardware support section. It would make sense for them to announce both the DL980 and the new DL580 at the same time. Not everyone is going to want a beast the size of a DL980.

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one last 65nm hooray

Intel can't wait to kill this line as it has become the equivalent of the Cadillac Cimarron (a proud brand with a terrible mistake blighting its good name). Intels knows that the IA64 was a terrible idea with even worse execution that due to them not listening to their customers almost cost them dearly against AMD (thank God for chipzilla Hector Ruiz rode to their rescue and ran AMD into the ground) The chip has only made it this far because Intel had to meet its contract agreements with HP for all the tasty DEC IP they lifted. Just seeing Intel putting all the RAS stuff from IA64 in the Xeons should tell everyone but the locked in HPtards (hello Matt B. you there) that the end is nigh. By the way IBM Powertards you are next.

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"all the RAS stuff from IA64 in the Xeons "

I think you might find a fair amount of it has been in AMD64/Opteron too. It's not rocket science, even if it's unfamiliar to MS and Windows folks.

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We waited for this?

HP really knows how to perfume a pig. Tukwila systems were supposed to be out two years ago and the best they can do is a 1, 2 and 4 wide blade with 65nm four core chips? Sorry but they industry is well into the next generation and HP is trying to play ketchup to the last generation.

Witness? What kind of marketing is that? I guess it refers to "Witness HP killing all the rack based Itanic systems and only offering blades".

Without the SX3000 chipset the 4 wide 8 socket is cobbled together technology which cannot support database workloads. Count up the QPI's and you'll notice they are missing three in order to support 8 sockets.

it looks like HP Partitioning is gone also. vPar is not supported and nPar will be relegated to just splitting apart individual blades.

The "BladeLink" looks to be the weakest link as it not only lacks "glue" i.e. SX3000 but also covers half the blade opening which restricts airflow. But I guess that is why the chip is a paltry 1.7GHz.

Linux? Microsoft? Wow HP enters into a $250M agreement in response to the Sun acquisition and Microsoft responds by dropping Itanic support. What is interesting is the complete lack of SuSe information. Novell has not dropped support but it sure looks like HP has dropped all hope on Linux.

Ever wonder why Tukwila was delayed and Intel this February said it was marketings fault? The answer is found in the SX3000 chipset and why it is still not available yet.

I wonder if HP is going to kill all their Nehalem EP/EX rack based systems also in their "blade everything" forced march.

Let's see if Matt B is an HP drone or will actually acknowledge HP's failings.

I guess we all have Rick Belluzzo to thank for this.

"Rick Belluzzo as the former President and Chief Operating Officer for Microsoft, Rick Belluzzo produced STAGGERING profits for his company." They leave off that he destroyed HP and SGI and disappeared from Mircosoft.

http://www.getmotivated.com/city.aspx?a=5189

Glad to not be with EDS (HP) anymore.

Regards, Aelfric

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If you are going to be there....

There are actually 3 good sessions on AMD processors, BB20, BB21 and BB22. Of course that is if there isn't another volcano eruption to block my flight ;)

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Dear assorted fanbois.

I was going to wait for one of you lot to actually post something worth replying to, but I can see that would probably take a few years. At least until you get out of kindergarten. I also see few of you paid attention the other day when you got taught a lesson on why you shouldn't FUD (http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/04/12/ibm_power_storage_announcement/), because it only makes you look infantile. Face it - until the 27th you're all just squealing groundless assumptions.

RE: Wheres Matt? - don't you think you're getting a bit obsessive in registering a forum login just to post about someone you disagree with? Did you stop to even think that since Slowaris's future is restricted to x64 now it actaully has a far smaller ISV list than any of the OS you listed? Clue - get a life!

RE: Allison Park - Ms Kebabfart forgets that RHEL on Nehalem is cheaper still and likely to give much better bang-for-your-buck. I'd try to look surprised but then why would Ms Kebabfart know this when she doesn't read anything other than IBM brochures?

RE: asdf - I think you'll find Intel are making a profit from Itanium. And seeing - as was pointed out by several posters in previous forum threads - it killed MIPS, SPARC, Alpha and several other competitors, it would seem to have been quite an Intel success story. I suggest you go back and read a few of the previous threads without your Sunshiner Blinkers (TM) on before posting more of the same bilge over and over again.

Anonymous Coward - I'm not surprised you posted anonymously. Until the 27th you're just talking from your rectum, and with a very obvious agenda. Seeing as you are ex-EDS I suspect you were "let go" after the buy-out, which means you were one of the unproductive employees, probably a Sunshiner with no skills outside Slowaris, and they didn't see a point in retaining you. From your post I can't say I'm surprised, it's all just unsubstantiated FUD loaded with bitterness. I hope your career flipping burgers at McDonalds goes well.

Interesting to note that we have more of the same old FUD as posted on previous threads almost verbatim, but no Moderatrix action to stop the continual regurgitation of the same dribblings. Ah well, I suppose some trolls are more equal than other trolls....

/SP&L

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Looks like the challange has been made

"From your post I can't say I'm surprised, it's all just unsubstantiated FUD loaded with bitterness. I hope your career flipping burgers at McDonalds goes well.

Interesting to note that we have more of the same old FUD as posted on previous threads almost verbatim, but no Moderatrix action to stop the continual regurgitation of the same dribblings. Ah well, I suppose some trolls are more equal than other trolls...."

Matt Bryant will have to answer yes or no to the "FUD" on Tuesday

1) HP will only announce blade Tukwila systems...no rack based systems

2) HP will not mention Linux in regards to Tukwila systems...ignoring Suse even though only Redhat dropped support

3) The Tukwila blades will not have SX3000 glue chips so the 8 socket system will require chip hopping as Tukwila only has 5 QPI's

4) vPar will not be supported wtih Tukwila

5) The "Scalable bladelink" is a big connection on the front of the blades which will restrict airflow

6) The BL860 is 8 core, 24 DIMM slots 2 hot swap SAS HDDs 4 GBe and 3 PCIi

BL870 is two BL860s and BL890 is four BL860's cobbled together

7) The blades will only supports 4GB dimms at release, 8 GB is 3Q 2010, 16GB is 4Q 2010

8) The Superdome2 has a cute little LCD in the door...maybe HP will give a preview

9) HP will try to slow the defections off of HP-UX by offering socket based pricing but since Tukwila is only 4 cores per chips its not that big of a deal

10) Open VMS is not supported till Q3 2010

11) nPars is 2Q 2011 and vPar is NEVER

12) if you want to upgrade a 860 to a 870 or a 870 to a 890 you have to wait for the field upgrade kits in Q1 2011

13) Want to do FCoE? You have to wait till Q2 2011

If the answer to all the above is "YES" then HP is treating Matt like a mushroom....feeding him SHlT and keeping him in the dark

Cheers, Aelfric

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RE: Looks like the challange has been made

<Yawn> And still waiting..... Actually, getting bored of waiting, so I suppose I'll just have to poke fun at Aelfric. By the way, did you know there was supposedly a King Aelfric of Kent? Well, according to St Bede, but modern historians have described him as a fantasy king created to fill a gap in monastic records. How appropriate!

"....Matt Bryant will have to answer yes or no to the "FUD" on Tuesday...." Considering you seem very sure of yourself I'm going to have to assume you are actually in breach of an hp NDA agreement. If not, then it must be just more fantasy. If it is in breach f an NDA then I'm betting you have tried to paint as bad a picture as possible, so let's look at what you have to offer....

".....1) HP will only announce blade Tukwila systems...no rack based systems...." I've been told it is an Integrity BLADES event, so I would only expect blades to be announced. Do IBM announce their mairframes at Power blade events?

".....2) HP will not mention Linux in regards to Tukwila systems..." Lol! Even if you are leaking real technical news, you can only guess at what the speakers will actually say, or are you now claiming to be their speechwriter?

".....3) The Tukwila blades will not have SX3000 glue chips so the 8 socket system will require chip hopping as Tukwila only has 5 QPI's...." Why would you expect a dual-socket blade to use a four-socket chipset? If BL860 is to have 8 cores as you say then it will be dual-socket, and then if the BL870 is to be two BL860 s then that's two dual-socket motherboards, not a single four-socket. Do you even think before you trype (sic)?

"....4) vPar will not be supported wtih Tukwila...." They're announcing blades at this event. The users I speak with are using IVM with the current Inetgrity blades rather than vpars, so why you think it is news the new ones won't is beyond me. Oh, I get it - you couldn't think of a real issue so you decided to make one up! I suppose you don't want me to predict that Inetgrity Virtual Machines (whcih offers CPU or sub-CPU granularity of virtulaisation, so better than just vpars) will be supported out-of-the-box?

"....5) The "Scalable bladelink" is a big connection on the front of the blades which will restrict airflow..." Assuming you mean the link between blades acting in a single OS image, that would only require a narrow ribbon cable, not a great big item, so very little impact on airflow. How do I know? Well, if you look in the back of an SD64 you can see the inter-cab link that carries traffic for SIXTEEN cellboards (each equivalent to a BL860, so a lot more traffic than between just TWO blades), and that is just a brown ribbon cable about 5-odd cm wide. Then again, I suspect you have never even seen an SD64, let alone looked inside.

"....6) The BL860 is 8 core, 24 DIMM slots 2 hot swap SAS HDDs 4 GBe and 3 PCIi...." Hold on a sec, you're supposed to be making the hp kit look bad! Didn't you realise that's far better than the PS701 Power blade's spec? After all, the PS701 only has sixteen RAM slots, 2 mezz card slots (PCIi), and no hot-pluggable disks, and only two LAN links! Lol, I can see why EDS "let you go", you just keep doing the opposition favours!

"....7) The blades will only supports 4GB dimms at release, 8 GB is 3Q 2010, 16GB is 4Q 2010..." The IBM blades do have 8GB DDR3 DIMMs (well, when you actually get them, which will probably not be for a while yet). Of course, you have to drop the bus speed from 1GHz to 800MHz to use the 8GB DIMMs in the Power blades - I wonder what impact that has on performance? Then again, seeing as the Power blades will have 3GHz crippled cores (nowhere near as fast as the Power rack servers will eventually get), I don't suppose it will make that much difference having everything in the blade crippled. And the BL860 will have more RAM slots anyway.

"....9) HP will try to slow the defections off of HP-UX by offering socket based pricing but since Tukwila is only 4 cores per chips its not that big of a deal....." A bizarre statement. You can already get the base hp-ux 11i v3 OE for free with any Integrity server. The other OEs (Operating Environments - think software bundles with a single licence) have always been priced per core, so surely you have just told all the hp-ux base they can expect a 50% cut in OS costs if they upgrade? Another favour for the enemy - you sure you really want to try this FUDing thing, you just don't seem very good at it!

".....10) Open VMS is not supported till Q3 2010...." <Shrug> Not an OpenVMS bunny so doesn't really affect or bother me. But, seeing as IBM failed to poach even a fraction of the Alpha-VMS base when Compaq was bought by hp I can't see there suddenly being a rush to Power now.

".....11) nPars is 2Q 2011 and vPar is NEVER...." Ah, I see that you don't think before you trype. For those that may not know, npars are hardware partitions, i.e. the means to link more than one Integrity cellboard together. But, Aelfric already said "...."Scalable bladelink" is a big connection on the front of the blades....", which kind of implies the ability to hardware link blades (i.e., create npars) is already there at launch. As for vpars, see my comment above about IVM.

"......12) if you want to upgrade a 860 to a 870 or a 870 to a 890 you have to wait for the field upgrade kits in Q1 2011...." Or you could just order an 870 instead of an 860 in the first place. It's not unusual for upgrade kits to arrive well after a launch as most customers don't think about upgrading for at least a year AFTER they buy kit. We certainly don't buy servers and immediately upgrade them. Then again, we do proper planning an POCs, whereas IBM seem to expect customers to just take Power on the basis of some SPEC benchmarks and then have IBM Global Scewups onsite for a year trying to get the solution working. I suppose IBM have to supply upgrades immediately given their awful scoping work.

"....13) Want to do FCoE? You have to wait till Q2 2011....." Could that be because the FCoE standard is not expect ed until April 2011 EARLIEST? Any FCoE kit you buy now could be rendered obsolete overnight if the standard differs to what the vendors are guessing it will look like. And that also means any FCoE kit bought now will also likely not work with another vendor's as they are all doing their own thing. In the meantime, hp will sell you an FCIP solution using MX400 routers if you really don't want darkfibre links, and those FCIP routers work fine with the existing hp blade chassis switches. So, another non-point.

No need to wait for Tuesday. The answers to the above show that EDS were only too smart to treat you like the trash and bin you. Now, can the IBMers please put up a real troll? Maybe three or more of you can get together and pool resources, make a real effort?

/SP&L

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""....13) Want to do FCoE? You have to wait till Q2 2011....." Could that be because the FCoE standard is not expect ed until April 2011 EARLIEST?"

You're wrong. FC-BB-5 was finished up last year (june 2009). They've already moved on to FC-BB-6. Maybe the 2nd generation of FCoE will be available in 2011.

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Re: Dear Fanbois..

Matt oh Matt....

You need to learn where your position in life actually is. As the most unbelievably biased person I've ever seen post (worse if I swallow your denial of any link with HP Sales or Marketing) I think it's right for anyone to bait you and see if you follow.

Your rude & a troll (as I am to you), some of the language in the post above shows you punching outwards and yet your surprised when people needle you? I'm accused of being obsessive by the guy who sounds like he'd ejaculate if HP invited him to pontificate at a trade show about how wonderfull the HP ecosystem is?

Consider yourself more like a fish cruelly hooked, just needing to be poked now and then to make you wriggle and provide some entertainment. Your reeled in regular as clockwork and you do seem to entertain quite well

Always amusing seeing how long the replies get as an indicator of your wilingness to bite.

So Matt, thanks for the entertainment, keep it up!

15k words sometime soon please...

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RE: FCOE

"....You're wrong. FC-BB-5 was finished up last year (june 2009)...." The FC-BB-5 FCOE draft was completed by the T-11 working group, NOT standardised as an industry standard, in June 2009. Most manufacturers are waiting for the final standardised offering so they don't have to go back and update or replace units shipped now to meet a later final standard. You can find out more here http://www.t11.org/fcoe, where it clearly states "....."Fibre Channel over Ethernet" (FCoE) is the present name given to a technology being developed within TC T11 as part of the FC-BB-5 project...."

Try again, again!

/SP&L

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RE: Re: Dear Fanbois..

It is becoming obvious that your problems extend far beyond your vacuous posts. I do admire that you have moved on from the usual FUDers ranting to an attempt at assuming a role of superiority, but I sense there is only a whisker of control holding you back from the usual raging. It will be interesting to see how long you can maintain that stance without collapsing back into the usual squealing and name-calling.

".....You need to learn where your position in life actually is...." My position is quite comnfortably seated in front of the monitor, cup of java to one side and usually a choc biccie within reach. I'm not too happy with my desk but then that's probably just me being a finicky old git. But, please feel free to think whatever you like about my state of employment. I have already stated quite clearly that I don't work for a vendor or reseller, despite other ranting posters here having accused me of working for both IBM and hp! Don't worry, I'm not even going to suggest you are in gainful employment, let alone working for IBM.

".....As the most unbelievably biased person I've ever seen post...." Ah, it's the old selective vision trick! "I only see Matt's posts as biased, all other posts are completely balanced". I would suggest at least a visit to Specsavers.

".....and yet your surprised when people needle you?..." Well, more amused really, kinda like when you see a kitten taking clumsy swipes at an adult cat, it all looks so cute, but you know the big cat is only going to tolerate so much before they firmly put the kitten in its place. I suppose it's how the kitten learns, so I have to hope that you too will learn something from these posts. Like maybe a hint of technical reality.

"....I'm accused of being obsessive by the guy who sounds like he'd ejaculate...." Actually I'd more characterise you as childish with what sounds like some sexual hangups. Please note that my company would probably nor endorse any such talks for hp, but making fun of you here under a pseudonymn is probably not a problem for them. In fact, they probably see it as a service to the community to keep buffoons such as yourself busy posting your bile here so you are far away from real industry work!

"....Consider yourself more like a fish cruelly hooked..." Heck, if it makes you feel better you can imagine me as anything you like! There seems to be a fair bit of fantasy going on in at least your technical life so I'm sure a little more delusion won't matter much. Maybe it would be best if you talked it over with someone professionally qualified to deal with your "issues". This is, after all, a tech forum, not a psychiatrist's office.

"....Always amusing seeing how long the replies get as an indicator of your wilingness to bite...." Well, when you get your systems up and running well, and your monitoring works, it does give you plenty of time to go on the Web and poke fun out of the less fortunate. But then I suppose that's the benefit of buying hp! <= note, added needle just to make you froth harder!

".....So Matt, thanks for the entertainment, keep it up!...." Anything to please if it keeps you off the streets and away from us customers! Please bear in mind that offer does not extend to the ejaculatory services you obsessed about above. By the way, our commercial firewall picks up certain words and phrases from a library that comes with the package, and it didn't like "ejaculate"! If they have a similar filter then you may have to explain that to the your ward's matron when she does her rounds.

/SP&L

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So, there are two possibilities here:

1. MB is a HP Employee and is lying, as usual.

or

2. MB is not as important of a customer to HP as he claims.

Either way, HP has done you wrong Matt, and you should see through

HP Fanboi love.

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".....MB is a HP Employee and is lying, as usual....." I know you FUDers have an attention span that makes a goldfish look skilled, but I have already stated many times I do not work for hp or an hp reseller, nor am I paid by hp or an hp reseller to do marketting work. With your goldfish-like level of recall I suppose you must have forgotten that the Sunshiners on these forums have previously accused me of working for IBM. Just get over your paranoia and accept not everyone is going to share your World view, especially when your viewpoint is so limited and expressed in such a vacuous manner.

".....MB is not as important of a customer to HP as he claims....." I have had some NDA information on the new Integrity blades for a while, thanks. Not surprisng, seeing as we have a large number of the current Integrity and ProLiant blades. That last bit of info won't help you much in guessing where I work as I understand most - if not all - of the Fortune 500 also have both.

Now, try and post something vaguely technical. If you can. I know it seems the Moderatrix gives free rein to you IBMers to post anything you like regardless, but it might actually improve our perception of you if your posts had the slightest technical merit. Mind you, I'm not holding my breath.

/SP&L

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Thanks Matt

Hi,

Having worked until recently in POWER Systems Technical Sales - competing with HP Itanium Systems for new sales - I'd like to thank Matt for his help.

Even the most determined decision makers and/or influencers in HP shops considering a change to IBM are not as extreme as Matt in their defense of HP Itanium Systems.

So it has been very handy to read his views every now and then to prepare for possible objections from those with a less open mind to change.

In recent times loosing business against HP Itanium Systems has become an increasingly rare event.

But if HP does improve their competitive position and I hope they do as healthy competition is ultimately good for everyone - then I trust Matt will continue to provide his helpful service to those of us tasked with countering HP's position for a living.

Thanks Matt

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".....Even the most determined decision makers and/or influencers in HP shops considering a change to IBM are not as extreme as Matt in their defense of HP Itanium Systems....." Here's news for you - I support the purchase of Power in our business when Power is the best option. I look at proposals from IBM and hp for each instance and judge on what they can actually do for us, not just the marketting schpiel. Whilst I do have a pref for hp-ux over AIX, that is not the kind of blind denial you get from the Sunshiners. When I'm working I give equal airtime to IBM and hp teams. However, on these forums, you only get the worst repetition of FUD and denial passed off as "fact" by you IBMers. I dislike FUDers from a professional viewpoint, so don't be surprised if being the largest FUD generators on here also sees you getting the most replies from me.

"....So it has been very handy to read his views every now and then to prepare for possible objections from those with a less open mind to change....." I actually don't have a problem with that. In fact, if I post something here that stops the usual IBM FUD being thrust upon some other customer then I consider it a service to the IT community!

".....In recent times loosing business against HP Itanium Systems has become an increasingly rare event....." I take it from "loosing" you meant "losing"? I see that written English is still not a biggie with IBM sales then? I suggest you will find that you are "loosing" to Itanium less is because you are being considered for less and less opportunities where Integrity is winning by default. After all, we went over the Gartner figures in a previous thread, and they show that hp is selling the high-end kit, not IBM. But, if you think you are winning, maybe you should link up with Jesper as he has been moaning that EDS keep handing him his butt on a plate when his outsourcing company lead with Power (http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/04/13/ibm_power7_blades/#c_742195).

Here's the news, as pointed out to Jesper - I did five minutes of amateur investigation and found three simple points I could use to FUD the new Power blades, just to show him how easy it was. All the cobblers you lot sprout on here takes the same minor effort to poke bus-size holes in. If you are banking on my examples being the worst you will come up against then I would suggest you do a LOT more homework. Why? Because I have seen the work that comes out of the Elmers at places like EMC, hp, CISCO, Soreacle ( in London we generally refer to professional "competitive analysts" AKA FUDers as "Elmers" from Bugs Bunny's Elmer Fudd). The Elmers will take a piece of competing hardware to pieces and minutely examine it in the labs, not spend five minutes scanning the IBM webby. I saw the quality of the hp analysis that showed the old IBM blade chassis had non-redundant and active electrical components in the backplane that were SPOFs, or how they proved the old IBM blade chassis couldn't run a full complement of blades and redundant switches by careful measurement of electrical draw and power supplies. They will be casting a very careful and skilled eye over the new Power7 kit and highlighting the design issues that there always seem to be in IBM kit. I suggest you better prepare a lot more.

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@MB? FUD Who?

" I saw the quality of the hp analysis that showed the old IBM blade chassis had non-redundant and active electrical components in the backplane that were SPOFs, or how they proved the old IBM blade chassis couldn't run a full complement of blades and redundant switches by careful measurement of electrical draw and power supplies. They will be casting a very careful and skilled eye over the new Power7 kit and highlighting the design issues that there always seem to be in IBM kit. I suggest you better prepare a lot more."

Is this FUD or what?

Being an IBMer, I would love to see proofs of this BS!

We have hundreds of customer very happy running Mission Critical apps on these x86 and POWER blades.

You don't like FUD , but you spread FUD when it is convenient!

HP is years behind POWER.

IVM is a joke. Don't know how HP calls it virtualization with so many limitations.

When Superdome2 will hit streets, does IVM will scale beyond 8 cores?

MB you are a FUDer... Very sad! Your last posts just showed us that you are a very sad man.

You disappointed us! We did respect you in past times, not anymore!

Again, you are just a clown now!

LOL to you!

Cheers!

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RE: @MB? FUD Who?

"....Is this FUD or what?..." Erm, yes, that was the whole point! I was citing examples of carefully prepared FUD that I have seen in the industry regarding IBM kit, to show how my own amateur examples were nothing by comparison. D'uh! Did you even read my post before you went to Auto Squeal Setting 10?

".....Being an IBMer...." Ah, another unbiased and equitable viewpoint then. Please do shower us with your no-doubt extensive experience of anything non-IBM. Yeah, I'm not holding my breath on that one!

"....I would love to see proofs of this BS!...." I suggest you call hp then. It is with an evil smile that I hope they subject you to the full death-by-PowerPoint experience they give us customers, as it would seem fitting to have a salesman suffer some of their own medicine!

"....You don't like FUD , but you spread FUD when it is convenient!..." No, I don't like FUD, so when you IBMers (and Sunshiners) start up with it I feel it is only fair to throw some right back. Moral of the story - trolls in glass houses shouldn't throw stones if they don't like the sound of breaking glass.

"....HP is years behind POWER...." A truly eloquent, concise and balanced argument without any hint of ranting. Nope, no ranting at all. Nada! If only all IBM salespitches were that short! Mind you, and please don't take this as a criticism, but it is a bit lacking in technical information or any sort of reasoning. Well, actually it's short of anything other than unproven supposition masquerading as fact. But, as a first effort, it does at least leave plenty of room for development into maybe a whole sentence. I suppose it was far too much to expect anything like empirical facts or industry analysis to back up your statements but I'm sure that one day you'll be able to supply some when IBM release some more brochures for you to refer to. Who knows, one day you may even communicate an orignal thought!

"....IVM is a joke. Don't know how HP calls it virtualization with so many limitations...." I suppose we have to at least pretend you know something about IVM that didn't come out of an IBM FUD guide, so please elaborate by explaining what you mean by "limitations", and how it fails to compare to IBM's virtualisation offerings? Please do bear in mind I've already debunked the standard IBM FUD as offered by Ms Park (http://forums.channelregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/02/09/intel_tukwila_feeds_speeds/), so simply repeating the same FUD again is just going to make you look even more unoriginal. Postively sheep-like, tbh!

I see the IBMers still haven't taken my suggestion and pooled resources, rather than just resorting to the same IBM FUD guides. Bit of a disappointment, really! Maybe the Sunshiners can lend them a hand?

/SP&L

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