Subdomains maintained by The Daily Telegraph website were defaced by a group of angry Romanian hackers on Thursday. The two subdomains - shortbreaks.telegraph.co.uk and wine-and-dine.telegraph.co.uk/site/index.php - were sprayed with identical digital graffiti by the hackers from the previously unknown RNS – Romanian National …
Bloody Romanian gypsy hackers
How the hell does this guy know that clarkson wasn't waving at an actual Romanian gypsey?
Captain Slow that pi$$ed them off?
It was Clarkson. (Isn't it always?) Mr. May had some quite nice things to say about certain aspects of Romania.
No image selection because there is no Dacia Sandero icon...
They have a point....
It's hard enough to be romanian, without being confused with people who tarmac your drive and leave burning matresses in your back garden.....
Personally I adore the gentle romany folk, with their endless supply of lucky heather and clothes pegs. They would always pray for you. If only we could all be more understanding......
I am looking at you Mssrs Clarkeson and May. (nobody would take the hamster seriously though would they.)
We all know....
that IOrish Pikies are the true Gypsies...these Romany types are just bloody foreign no good layabouts...
but there are gypsies everywhere including romania!
@ You know who you are
I've rejected your comment. If you're going to be a racist twat, you can do it elsewhere. Do it again here and I'll zap your account.
The strain of giving us free reign on the allergic reaction death sentence story has finally proved too much.
I for one welcome our returning 8 inch heel wearing modermatrix... Grrrr!
it's "free rein"
Only the Moderatrix reigns supreme here.
Oh. My. God.
The Telegraph - hacked by Gypsies.
Much Bigger Hack Ahead
Housing and Gardening is a host for much bigger picture players' exchange.
"Banks. Bridges. Telegraph. We should drive it on top gear there".
(C) 1917 V. Lenin, St. Petersburg. The prime targets of the rebellion.
ha ha ha
Romanians are not gypsies, they are very intelligent people.
The second spoken language in the Microsoft Company is ... ROMANIAN!!!
TELL ME WHY???
Hoo hoo hoo
I don't know, but the second WRITTEN language is swahili - explain that one! ;p
Pretty harsh stuff
"Know that we will not stop here"
What could possibly be more shocking than defacing a seldom-visited sub-page of a moderately popular website? Defacing the Homes & Gardens page? Or just step it up to all out warfare? I will assume that these Romanians aren't speaking for their countrymen with any kind of official status.
Top Gear just started airing in Romainia has it?
Although I don't approve hacking , the hackers in this case had a point. You should not confuse the romanian people with gypsies. Clarkson tried to make a joke but unfortunately was not a good one.
Knicker = twist
Common' Its not like they singled the romanians out for ridicule
..... Until now
The Romanians I know
actually are more biased against the gypsies than anybody I have ever met. Remember they live with them and their antics.
RE: The Romanians I know
"Remember they live with them and their antics."
Except they don't - Gypsies are spread across most of Europe.
if only all gypsies were like
Brad Pitt and his crew in Snatch. What is the term, Parkees? (sorry if racist just going by term in movie)
re : Parkees?
No. It's "Pikeys" with a Lahndan accent. I have yet to discover if it's racist or not.
Some people also think that "chav" is racist. I have no idea.
Lol, I think it's 'pikies' in a Cockney accent! You'll have to look it up though! ;-)
chav isnt racist, it's species-ist
we chose to crawl from the primordial slime, they stayed put
Gypsies aren't Romanians?
Well, I believe it's pretty obvious some are... Or were none of them born in Romania?
Ignorant Romanian Hackers.
I'm with Mickey, how do you know those weren't Romanian Gypsies? Besides, the very core definition of a Gypsy goes beyond borders--they're nomads!
If this is the episode where they're driving through Romania to get to the twisty highway up north, then the hackers are even dumber. The whole episode was in honor of the best driving highway on the planet and was PROMOTING the country not defiling it.
Hopefuly Cap't Slow doesn't get too depressed over the whole matter. :)
The brew is for Mr May and the rest of Top Gear staff
Why is it offensive?
I don't get it. What' wrong with being a gypsy? In actual fact, Romania has a vast population of them. I don't see why it's offensive. Speaking from experience and what i've seen from the vast immigration of romanians near my area (which i'm gonna have to move soon) there is a healthy amount of gypsy romanians. My personal opinion and not of that of theregister.co.uk.
Romania Mare Partially
Isn't everyone of us the Cyber Gypsy, after all?
Gypsy: respectable member of a travelling community.
Romany/Romanian: as it says on the tin.
Pikey (@asdf: say "PIE-key") - scumbag filth that invade train station car parks, thieve charity boxes and stock from local businesses, lay shit driveways, live in filth and waste oxygen. Not nationality or racially specific.
One small problem with this brilliant hacktivistic revenge is that it was Jeremy Clarkson who made those comments-- and he writes for the Times.
maybe not the brightest hackers then
and they couldn't hack the times, so they went after May's pressers.
Murdoch = loo-paper
Petrea wrote: "One small problem with this brilliant hacktivistic revenge is that it was Jeremy Clarkson who made those comments-- and he writes for the Times."
Ah, so the great ocker paywall that Murdoch put up on Sun/Times (I'm sure I've seen a Clarkson rant list in the former too) wasn't strictly to make world+wife pay up for his (Rupe's) opinionated drivel, but to keep one of his star journo's safe from the threat of roving Romanian retribution.
It all starts to make more sense...
RE: Wrong newspaper
Yes but they'd be unlikely to break the strong security of the brilliant IT staff from Murdock empire's would they ;)
Clarkson Writing - are you sure that describes his column :s
Romanians and Romanian Gypsies
In Romania, the gypsies are seen as a separate nation of people (they even have their own kings and emperors, and their own set of laws, unrecognised by the state, of course), even if they have Romanian citizenship and ID cards. Romanians hate the Romanian Gypsies because wherever they go they screw things up and then they are labeled by their citizenship in the press. The Romanian people then are feared as a whole, even though, statistically speaking, the good/bad people ratio isn't that much different from any other European country (the UK included).
To make matters worse, the Gypsy ethnic group is called "Roma" and "Romani", which collides with "Romanian", even though the terms are similar only by coincidence, not by relation. The Government itself is taking steps, when it can, to dissociate the terms. The ID cards and passports now use the country identification "ROU" (from French "Roumain", "Roumanie"), replacing the age old "ROM" moniker, because "rom" in Romanian means means "gypsy", "member of the Romani people", and foreigners saw "ROM" as meaning "gypsy" as well.
Because the deeds done by these people reach the headlines so fast, the Romanian people are furious. Hacking attempts are just one way of expressing this, and just happen to be a high profile one. I don't condone hacking, mainly because it just adds petrol to the fire, but other means of making it clear that not all Romanians are bad seem to be inadequate in the face of tabloid-like articles.
I've worked on a few European programmes on "gypsy integration", in Romania, and I can tell that it's an excruciating job trying any kind of integration for these people. They'll happily participate in your integration programmes, giving you the impression that they're co-operating and your programme is successful, yet as soon as you're gone, they're back at their antics, making fun of you, behind your back, of how naive you are investing so much money in "educating" them. The only ones profiting from this are the gypsies themselves, yet it has to be tried, hoping that one day a tipping point will be reached.
The Romanians are pissed because they're put in the same pot as the gypsies, and they find this to be very unfair. If you read the papers across Europe, you'll always find mixed articles: one day a Romanian rapes the a woman and/or kills her, the next day a Romanian is killed while protecting somebody from a native. The Romanians are pissed also because the first kind of article reaches first page on the likes of Daily Mail, while the second kind is buried deep on page 66 or something, in small print, on a side column. But then again, that's also true about English, French, American, etc. paedophiles that come to Romania for sex with under-age children, or to adopt children for their internal organs, or they fatally hit a person with their car and they flee to their home country under diplomatic immunity, and so on.
We all have weeds, and the Romanians just happen to show up more often than not.
While writing this, I remembered a film called "Gadjo Dilo". If you can get your hands on it, please watch it. There's one scene in there which shows quite well both the "native" Romanian temper and the Romanian gypsy temper, where a Romanian guy attempts a verbal bad joke about a gypsy - both of them in the same bar, drinking -, in good old Romanian tradition, and the gypsy, showing that he can take a joke, attempts a practical joke of his own: in anger, he throws a glass into the Romanian's face, killing him, in good old gypsy tradition (which typically involves ninja swords, but anything will do if you don't have one around).
Thanks for reading.
Why not change the name of the country back to "Dacia" and have done with it?
"I remembered a film called "Gadjo Dilo"" -
yes, "gadjo" is for "alien", "one of white tribe". They don't call colored people gadjos, as far as me remembers. Seems like this word is used everywhere on Earth, including Romania.
RE: Romanians and Romanian Gypsies
"I've worked on a few European programmes on "gypsy integration", in Romania, and I can tell that it's an excruciating job trying any kind of integration for these people."
Could that be because they reject many of the established norms in our culture. Which, let's face it, they have every right to do? Why not just leave them to do their own thing?
I mean it's not as though we have special integration programmes for the Welsh or Irish or anything. They have their own customs and that helps make the world a more colourful place.
Admittedly, some of them may cause some trouble - wouldn't you if the government was trying to take away a way of life which your ancestors had for thousands of years?
A gross slur against the cultural heritage of a proud people.*
So BAU on top gear.
Mine's the one with the airline ticket to Pikeie Island
*Yes that statement does apply to both Romanians and Travelers.
@Suburban Inmate: Romany is NOT, I repeat, NOT the same thing as Romanian!
The names are very similar, but Romany refers to the Gypsies (the travellers AND the beggars on the streets AND the ones you see in the shanty towns).
The Romanian gypsies intentionally try to use the Romany name because they want to escape the stigma of being a gypsy. All they do in the process is to tarnish the name of the Romanians.
Soon you'll claim that both Romany and Romanian are different from Roman. Stop making stuff up!
"The Romanian gypsies intentionally try to use the Romany name because they want to escape the stigma of being a gypsy."
Funny. I thought that they'd been calling themselves Romani for hundreds of years - before Romania was even called Romania...
You'll find that they don't just call themselves that in Romania either, there are more of them in Spain than in Romania and guess what? They call themselves Romani in Spain too...
But where do the Romulans fit into this, that's what I want to know.
Way to tell them!
All the Telegraph readers, that is, who know Romanian.
Oh the irony...
They are complaining about misrepresentation, yet even though they are angry at BBC programme Top Gear, they target the Telegraph merely because May has a column there? Damn bigots!
Always one to see the world a little differently
"The Lonely Shepard", lovely track. Was used in Kill Bill, if I remember correctly.
Let's get it right.
You can be 'Romany' which is a cultural background, like being Welsh.
You can be gypsy(adj.) as in "I went to Thailand and became a gypsy for a while' ie, travelled rough (or not)
You can be Romanian - a person from Romania.
You can be a Romanian Romany or Romany Romanian, which sounds like tautology but isn't.
You can be a Romanian Romany gypsy, as not all Romany are 'gypsies', ie nomadic.
You cannot be a Thai Welsh Romanian Romany gypsy though, as your head would collapse into a singularity due to the massive opposite cultural overload.
People angry at Clarkson
Nothing new here, move* along...
* or Travel if you prefer.
Have they ever watched Top Gear?
Name one country which hasn't been poked fun at by the Top Gear Team, Just goes to show you Romanians have zero sense of humour.
PS - To the Romanians : If you were watching a repeat of the show on "Dave" you probably would find they have cut the interesting local scenic shots which the BBC tend to show. So its all Daves fault :-)
Yes, we have watched Top Gear
And a lot of us understood it was just Clarkson's style. We are really happy/grateful they came in our country.
But some of us did not and these hackers just reacted to what was a last straw in the "Picture Romania as Europe's reservoir of gypsies and criminals" campaign Western Europe and especially Britain is running.
I do not blame them for what they did. They bring attention to an importand issue. I am sorry they were unable to hit the main website.
Clarkson has NO style - he's just a cock!
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