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A new command within the Metropolitan Police service will have responsibility for policing extreme porn and indecent images of children as well as prostituion and human trafficking. The creation of the unit is either a vital step forward in the fight against human trafficking and exploitation, or a serious waste of police …

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Thinking ahead.....

"New report suggests rise in Police health issues, with blindness and RSI being the biggest problems"

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Crime and organisations

I like the non answer when challenged.

Human trafficking is a problem but like most things when people with vested interests start talking about imaginary numbers you have to doubt their motives.

We live in a world of finite resources so surely everything has to show it is cost effective - otherwise why should the tax payer be forced to subsidise it? It seems to me that this is a unit with an effectively blank cheque and the moral authority to redefine its own boundaries and goals. (Not that SOCA would be any better at it, but the Met...)

Now if we are happy to work on vague claims of unreported events, I have a magic hat in my house. If it remains full of money, there is an 80% reduction in the number of unreported crimes which take place. As it is impossible for you to prove that this isnt working, I will await my Government subsidy - something in the region of £5k per month should keep it happy. Dont baulk at the costs, think of all the benefit its doing for less than price of a Met specialist copper....

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The facilitation of human beings into the UK

What's that?

Running an Airline ?

Giving birth?

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Trafficking = Transportation

That's what it actually means. Anybody you tries to tell you different is playing mind games.

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Big Brother

Trafficking and Immigration under one roof.

"We focus on the needs of trafficked victims"

Allow me to translate - "We stick 'em on the first plane back to wherever they came from."

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Unhappy

Still not the Swedish solution.

At least we're not quite replicating the Swedish solution to this problem. Over there, they've taken to locking up prostitutes who are in the country illegally and then deporting them with a note to their home government. Unless of course they testify that they were forced into it by the illegal traffickers, in which case they get to stay out of jail and return home "voluntarily". The police make sure that this is made entirely clear to them, of course, and don't look too closely at their stories.

Net result? 100% of prostitutes working illegally in the country were victims of sex trafficking, at least according to the police.Many anti-trafficking organizations - including the UK based ones - consider this a model setup that should be replicated everywhere.

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Figures

Wow, Human Trafficking, yes it's bad, but I'm sure I remember seeing somewhere, that in the last 6 years, there have been around 140 convictions and less than a thousand arrests.

Not a lot in a population of ~60Million so you have to ask, "Is it worth it?"

Or, is it a cover to hide the fact that they're going to be going after extreme porn?

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What is extreme porn?

I find this a term that could count as ANYTHING.

Playboy magazine is "extreme" to some people. Does that mean I should be locked up & have to sign a register for "batting one out" over playboy, because some one said it was extreme.....

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Extreme Porn is vague and ill defined...

... but the law that covers it is found in sections 63 - 68 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 see http://www.uk-legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2008/pdf/ukpga_20080004_en.pdf

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For the purposes of debate...

What about a picture of a person having sex with another person made up to look like a corpse with a caption that says "you're a wanker you are"

How could you actually tell if the person made up like a corpse were alive or dead?

To be honest I'm expecting it'll most likely catch a bunch of people with horse fucking clips on their computers, probably ones they long forgot about after getting goatsed with them and forgetting to delete them.

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UKBA and IPS

Hang on a minute. The UKBA and the IPS are responsible for preventing:

Trafficking for any purpose;

The facilitation of human beings into the UK;

Identity document abuse

If there is such a huge problem with trafficking and people entering the UK illegally, it means that the UKBA is not do its job properly (probably not news to anyone). This should be fixed first, before dreaming up new and exotic ways to further increase public spending.

If the Met want something to worry about in connection with the Olympics, they could reflect that people travelling between the Olympic site and central London or London airports will likely to pass through an area of London where the local population may have higher than average support for extremist Islamic views.

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Empires

Spot on.

This is all part of the barely controlled Met trying to expand its empire.

It is already big enough that its senior officers can legitimately claim to having no idea that the bobbies supposedly protecting the public are running around (without badge numbers, but demanding our ID) killing random passers-by or electricians.

Human trafficking falls under the remit of at least three other Government agencies (SOCA, IPS, UKBA), but obviously the Met have smelt funding and want more....

Why do we even have SOCA when the Met want to do it all? (let alone the UKBA/IPS)

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It's All About Rearranging The Finances...

"...Why do we even have SOCA when the Met want to do it all? (let alone the UKBA/IPS)..."

It's a very good question, but I doubt you'll ever get a sensible answer out of the Police Service or their Government Lobby firm, ACPO. This all about getting as many bogus (and wholly unwarranted) 'specialist units' set-up within the Police Service as possible before a change of Government, and getting them tied into large chunks of public funding. The Police Service know that if 'call me Dave' gets in on May 6th he's not given the Old Bill the same funding assurances as he's extended to the NHS.

Just how many police units do we now have across the UK dealing with 'extreme porn', 'child porn' and suchlike? That's anyone's guess, but I'll wager it's far more than people think and very probably a hugely disproportionate figure, compared to the actual 'threat' involved. And it's no surprise to find that the usual band of child salvationists from the child protection industry are riding the slipstream, no doubt hoping to tie themselves into (well funded) 'partnerships' with these outfits. Times are hard, you know, and they're going to get harder - best to establish those fully-funded links now before those cut-backs really kick in.

We know that whoever gets in at the next election won't have the balls or the common sense to tell these idiots where to go - moral panics are good for business, good for favorable headlines in the gutter press and good for preening, ignorant politicians looking to improve their public profile. The Police Service are old hands at cynically cashing in on such fads, with their well-connected mates in ACPO shaking all the right hands, collecting all the right cheques off every naive Minister they can hoodwink.

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So now...

... pictures of consenting adults engaged in consensual activities will be covered under the same remit as:

Forced Prostitution and the violence and forced drug addiction that may be involved;

Violence at music events;

Money laundering through dodgy casinos;

And the use of fake ID documents.

Nice to see that they're going to be targetting specialist resources effectively on relevant and related areas...!

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At least the anti-prostitute brigade failed...

Look on the bright side: at least the forced prostitution laws are actually restricted to prostitution that actually involves force, despite the best efforts of the anti-sex trafficking groups pushing for the law. I suspect they got lax and an actual sex worker managed to slip past their barricades and talk to a politician.

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My advice to those police in eurpoe.

Dear Mr. Eurpean police officer,

Please never visit Japan.

Because in Japan all people of all ages and backgrounds read hentai comic books.

Not just at home but on the bus and on the metro and all over and is considred standard

in Japan.

What may be againt your moral principles is common everday practice in japan.

Reminds me how before American Gi invaded Japan men and women and childrena ll took hot baths together nude but no the false christian moral ethic invades and now this is considered a sin.

Why haven't you Mr. policeman gone to africa and complain about the tribal topless females there? What morals are preventing you? its bad for Japan but ok for africa?

Oh wait.... it is not a moral issue until said country becomes a threat.

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wow...

...If Dubya and cronies were still in office, that might have qualified as sufficient reason for a "pre-emptive strike" against the Land of the Rising Hentai (and $deity knows what else)...

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Jeez

Always nice to know that some of your favourite pastimes could land someone in jail for even sketching a picture of them...

Anon because it would doubtless make my colleagues uncomfortable to have that much information, I'm always careful to avoid flaunting any cuts, bruises or rope burns.

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Practise martial arts

Take a martial art, with full contact, and you will have a perfect excuse for those bruises and cuts.

And on top of all, you will be fitter.

Anon, obviously ....

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What Appalling Conflations

So, we don't just have extreme porn - photos of entirely legal acts between consenting adults - conflated with sexual abuse of children, we have it mixed up with a whole load of other stuff, too.

Is this the Met displaying its ignorance and prejudice, assuming that no one could freely want to engage in such depraved acts (when it's just BDSM) of their own free will? Are they mistakenly, ignorantly assuming that those shown in such photos must surely have been coerced?

This is no better than lumping homosexuality together with child molestation!

DISGUSTING!

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Human trafficking - the reality

I lived in Eastern Europe for a long time. A very long time. Most of my adult life, in fact. One thing I learned was this: Genuine human trafficking in the way most of us imagine it (i.e. women taken against their will or lured out of their country under false pretenses and forced into prostitution or similar) is INCREDIBLY rare. In the vast majority of cases these women know exactly what they are doing when they get involved. More often or not they do it for a while, save some loot, buy some bling and go home, or get ripped off and go home. Mama, Papa and everyone in the village gets told they were a barmaid, waitress or holiday rep and think she's been a good girl.

But when plod nabs them on the job, they insist they were scammed and held against their will... sounds a lot better to the folks back home than just coming clean and admitting they were willingly turning tricks.

There's just so much naivety about Eastern Europe in the UK.

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Typical sop to lobby groups

The first human trafficking unit was shut down because they could not find any "sex slaves". This unit covers a wider area of trafficking and lumps in various "concerns" of lobby groups along with some odds and sods no one else can be bothered to investigate. This is the "remedial squad", the last resort, where the rejects will be sent. Created entirely to for the benefit of shouty nutters, who are out of touch with reality.

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No such thing as a willing prostitute.

Human trafficking happens all the time. It's just that the victims choose not to come out because they are quite content with their current situation.

Victims usually have their passport confiscated for short period of time, or sexually exploited for short period of time and the threats of violence and aftermath is usually far greater than anything they had encountered that they would rather just walk away with little money they had made during the time. If you have been drugged, raped, sexually exploited in some way, you would be angered but if you were given some money as a compensation, I guarantee you will walk off than dealing with untrustworthy, less sympathetic policers and truly evil people, especially if that means it could get you killed and your loved ones back in Home country. That is why, you think it is very rare.

If you were a woman just got married to an amazing guy, would you tell him that you've been just gang raped by some guys whose name you don't even know? do you think he would be relieved that you told him or do you think your life will be better if you didn't share that with him?

You have to think from these vulnerable women's perspectives..they do not have much options in life to survive otherwise.

the ones who are truly victimized are already -BRAIN-DEAD..No chance of recovering from it.

She will be raped non stop for few years and probably die, suicide or get locked up in mental institute. Truly tragic case....and How often do you get to see women like that? not easy.

It doesn't matter the degree of sexual exploitation they encounter, Exploitation is wrong and unjustified. These women deserve far more sympathy than simply being treated as willing prostitutes. and there is no such thing as a willing prostitute. either they are addicted to drug, or sex, and mentally very very sick. they are all chemically controlled.

I repeat, "there is no such thing as a willing prostitute".

Once that has been cleared up, we can look at sexual violence and prostitution in different light. 'Same goes for porn industry.

There is No sane woman who would want to be gang-raped in front of camera.

and Raping insane woman or women on drug is a rape and torture in serious form.

We live in a society where sexually abusing a minor or handicapped person gets much more sympathy than raping perfectly beautiful woman with brain-damage or drug issues.

it's absolutely tragic that these women are not getting the support and sympathy they need.

and Men are too horny to really see things in clear manner.

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