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The Labour party has mounted a strong counterattack against the Tories' determined push to present themselves as the most technologically illiterate of the mainstream UK parties. As part of Labour's election manifesto, unveiled today, the present government was widely expected to renew previous pledges that every household in …

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Pint

So who's gonna pay for this kind of "broadband for all" indulgence

and what are the opportunity costs?

But this being political and all, economics suddenly no longer apply.

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dearie me

Is there anyone here dumb enough to believe anything in ZanuLab's manifesto?

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More importantly

Is there anyone here dumb enough to think the phrase "ZaNuLieBore" (or any derivative thereof) is intelligent or witty?

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Big Brother

Re : More importantly

Maybe not intelligent, quite possibly not witty.

But oh so descriptive.

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16 Megabits

2 x 8 x 1024 x 1024 = 2MB

2 x 1024 x 1024 = 2Mb

There are not a million bits in a Megabit!

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WTF?

This ofc being wrong too:

2 x 8 x 1000 x 1000 = 2MB

2 x 1000 x 1000 = 2Mb

2 x 8 x 1024 x 1024 = 2 MiB

2 x 1024 x 1024 = 2Mib

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Oh but there ARE

Come on people, basic stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabit

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Erm, there is in telecoms

Telecoms use 1000 not 1024 like the rest of IT.

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Also

7 x 4 x onion = 2Mb (of course this depends on if they are English or French onions)

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I might just...

...pay the extra 50p tax for that ;-)

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Lies

Come on these are **election** promises. If .gov.uk promises that terrorist act would nto be misused but now says it is OK to use it to arrest photographers for being too tall and mums because they take a picture of thier kids sports day win, how much quicker will they renege on election promises.

Election promises are a joke.

When someome complains to thier MP that all three main parties candidates have the same campaigns and the candidate says "well tough - you have to vote for one of us", you know the elections are joke.

We really need a viable alternative - even if it is a joke party.

Jacqui

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Re: Lies

Hah, it's not just MPs' election promises that are lies. It's anything any politician utters, ever. Regardless of their chosen colour.

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Don't complain though

They'll have already logged your Intellectual Property address.

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Badgers

Speed's not important.

What's key is that the copper wires will transmit "leadership, character, and energy".

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I thought it was

what you did with it... Thats what my wife says to me...

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megainflation , pedant strikes back.

Hang on, you can't drag that to 17mbit via 16.7.. If it's 2megabytes, then thats just 16mbit. It also might mean 16777216bits , yes , however that then doesnt then become 16.7mbit rounded to finally round up to 17mbit...

It's one thing for a politician to get a technical word wrong,, but an IT magazine.. Tsk Tsk..

(And no doubt I've got that wrong, because it's always the way.......)

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16,777,216 -> 16,000,000

Two megabytes is exactly 16,000,000 bits, except when speaking loosely about RAM. When measuring the capacity of a disc drive or a network a megabyte is nearly always 1000000 bytes, not

1048576 bytes, in practice and "officially".

Two mebibytes would be 16,777,216 bits, though I really wouldn't expect the word "mebibyte" to turn up in a Labour party election manifesto.

The capacity of a DVD-R is about 4.707 gigabytes (4.7 GB is what's printed on it) or 4.384 gibitypes (4.384 GiB). The numbers are significantly different when you get to giga/gibi, so it helps to use the prefixes consistently.

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Re: 16,777,216 -> 16,000,000

But two megabits is also 16,000,000 bits!

When talking about transfer speeds, we still use powers of two for our *bytes.

8 bits = 1 byte

1024 bytes = 1 kilobyte

1024 kilobytes = 1 megabyte

2048 kilobytes = 2 megabytes

2048 * 1024 * 8 = 16,777,216 bits

The IEC prefixes are used by approximately nobody in the world because of the ambiguity of SI prefixes.

Also, just because the IEEE says it's so, doesn't make it "official". The IEEE is just one standards body of many.

Troll, because I suspect that's what you are.

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I have thiiiis many gibitypes

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That's a lot!

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re: 16,777,216 -> 16,000,000

Pffft, 'gibibytes' indeed. Hard drive manufacturers have a lot to answer for!

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Don't want metirc MBs

Sorry but I do not believe in metric megabytes. A meg is 16,777,216. And, in fact, my 100mbps ethernet is not 100,000,000 bytes/sec, I have measured 12.5 MiB/sec on it. I have found even DSL in general to not use powers of 10, and not cable either. It really is just hard drive advertisers that use metric MBs.

I'm still amused that they would get megabits and megabytes wrong though -- It'd be funny if they follow through "What do you mean almost no-one can get that high a speed? WTF??!!!?" 8-)

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Ethernet data rate

"my 100mbps ethernet is not 100,000,000 bytes/sec, I have measured 12.5 MiB/sec on it"

That's interesting. The description in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Ethernet#General_Design) makes it sound like the maximum theoretical rate really ought to be 100 Mb/s, not 100 Mib/s. Perhaps your measurement is wrong.

As far as I know, people nearly always use the prefixes with metric meaning when talking about data rates. This is probably because they correspond to frequencies, which also use the metric meanings. (A 4 GHz processor runs at 4 GHz, not 4 GiHz, I think.)

I don't think I could measure the speed of my broadband connection accurately enough to discover empirically what kind of "megabit" they are using.

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Wrong error

Surely, the guy writing the thing, say the phrases "2 megabit" and "superfast broadband", and thought, "Ha! Now there's a mistake."

He should have dropped the superfast bit instead. Still, easy mistake to make.

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winnner

I for one welcome our new tech savvy overlords

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Loser

I think we should have a new unit : maybe-bite

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Better quality copper

Funny you should mention the "up to..." claims of the ISPs. When I signed up for broadband at my current address maybe 4 years ago I was getting something around 2Mbps. Now, one router upgrade later (to an ADSL+ compatible one) plus it's relocation to next to the master phone socket, and I now get a rock-solid 8Mbps - without the weekly reboots once required!

I'm guessing a lot of that has to be down to improvements at the exchange end by the ISP (the same one by the way - LLU as well *NOT* BT!).

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Odd you say that

Because ever since my ISP LLU'd my conection and implemented ADSL2+ mine's been absolute shite, I used to get 5.x Mbps on ADSLMax, now I'm lucky to get 3.8 and even luckier if it stays connected for more than a day. And yes, the routers are all ADSL2+ compatible.

Still, I've had free often on broadband for almost a year now because of their inability to get it to work.

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Perhaps its exchange side, perhaps not.

ADSL requires good tech on both sides. Sure, the exchange may have been upgrade, but you did say connecting to the master socket and altering your router to an ADSL2+ compatible device improved the speeds. The chances are -nothing- has changed on the exchange side, but by connecting to the master socket you have removed and crappy internal wiring you may have had the router going over, plus any interference from other cable runs it crosses and other devices it snakes past. All of which will likely cause drops, which in turn will drag your overall throughput down.

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No thanks.

I'm already on 50Mb/s and no doubt going to 100Mb/s by 2011 so that'll be a slow down for me.

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"determined push to present themselves as the most technologically illiterate of the mainstream UK parties"

Oh the irony.

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I don't believe it.

Because Virgin media would throttle it straight away when you try to use it.

Well for us poor ADSL saps anyway.

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labour tards

and still no online voting

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Need to be careful with electronic voting.....

We may end up with Dubya.

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Not the first person to confuse bits with bytes

But if any actually *held* them to this (objective? proposal?aspiration?bribe?) possibly the *most* expensive.

It's a manifesto issued 24 days before a general election.

Like a drunk driver whose moan down his *latest* set of pedestrians they will swear blind that *this* time they *really* will change their ways.

Labor have been elected 3 times, which in the UK is a historic achievement for them.

In politics I quite favor 3 strikes and you're out.

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too kind

I favour shooting every fifth politician of any party caught not honouring manifesto pledges. That should keep the bastards honest.

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still too kind

why stop at 1 in 5? just shoot the fucking lot of them for being a bunch of lying weasels who spout bullshit and generally fuck up everything in sight. and let it be a slow painful death. we could even auction off who gets to pull the trigger. that would raise a good few quid towards paying off the national debt.

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Wouldn't want to run out of bullets

Sorry, but was that fifth or filth?

It makes a massive difference to the number of bullets needed, you see.

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Re : too kind

"I favour shooting every fifth politician of any party caught not honouring manifesto pledges. That should keep the bastards honest."

Shouldn't that be -"I favour shooting every fifth politician of any party caught . That should keep the bastards honest."

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@AC 21:39

why stop at 1 in 5? just shoot the fucking lot of them for being a bunch of lying weasels who spout bullshit and generally fuck up everything in sight. and let it be a slow painful death. we could even auction off who gets to pull the trigger. that would raise a good few quid towards paying off the national debt.

Dammit! You robbed my idea!! I was talking abuot just such a thing with my mates when we went to the cinema the other day!

Big Brother indeed! You OBVIOUSLY work for Labour, the level of your knowledge of others private lives being far too in-depth otherwise!! ;-)

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Good idea

Yeh, decimate them. Well, at least this is only a factor of 2 out!

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Qualitative easing

Can't they just print more bits?

Or you could just redefine bytes to contain 0.0017 bits and suddenly everyone on dialup has 2MB broadband!

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If Labour want to do anything new and exciting...

...in IT or anywhere else, they've had quite long enough to do it I think. Desperation must really be setting in.

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per second?

These are clearly nuSeconds, which are much better value than old ISO-standard seconds since they last an entire hour.

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Seriously!?

Mandybill. The laughably open ended internet porn legislation? Fuck off Labour. Put the internet down. You can't be trusted. You can't even hold your own data without leaving it on public transport/toilets/areas like some kind of intelligence easter egg hunt.

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Typo?

Does nobody else realise that this is prob a mistake, done by somebody who doesnt know anything about technology as for most ppl broardband speed is only measured in megabits.

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Well Done.

Was this previous post possibly done by somebody who doesn't know anything about El Reg, as for some people, humour is only noticed when pointed out to them?

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Chicken in Every Pot?

http://www.answers.com/topic/chicken-in-every-pot

Mine's the one with the jackbooted elephant logo on it...

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Labour/Conservative/LibDems all represent the corporations NOT US!

is this like the referendum they promised us regarding entering europe but they lied they way around it, gave away our democracy and sold us out to the corporations?

watch the lying scum bag and war criminal david miliband squirm here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x71INuYQnTk

why would we want another term of the government that has single handedly destroyed our civil liberties, criminalised cartoon porn & naked pictures of our own children as paedophilia, criminalised peaceful protest, criminalised photography in public, tortured and complicity in illegal kidnapping (extraordinary rendition), legalised war crimes, as its only terrorism when they do it.

watch as they turn the UK into a police state, but are the conservative any different?

Taking Liberties (Since 1997)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3351275215846218544

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Lewis said....

"...if this isn't simply a case of politicians and those who work for them knowing almost nothing of technology..."

CORRECTION

Lewis should have said

"...if this isn't simply a case of politicians and those who work for them knowing almost nothing."

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How to tell if a politician is lying

Is his mouth moving?

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