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A stalker's plan to land a love rival in jail has backfired, resulting in a prison term for the stalker, although his rival was initially arrested for child porn offences. A Basildon court heard that Ilkka Karttunen, 48, successfully broke into the Essex home of the object of his affection and downloaded child porn before taking …

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Charged with what?

He was charged with "making indecent images of children"? And put on the Sex Offenders Register? So did he actually take/create those images which he "downloaded" onto the victim's computer?

I would assume that this would have to be the case, were we not talking about a country so socially and legally steeped in paedohysteria.

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Title goes here.

It's legal terminology related to the Protection of Children Act 1978.

The "making" does refer to the act of downloading, think of it pre-digital image era - if you traced an image you'd be making it, wouldn't you? So the thinking is that you are copying another image - ie making it.

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Very VERY lucky

That man is very VERY lucky that the crook in question was not the smartest cookie in the box and that the police decided to follow it all the way through!.

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Thinking about it...

didn't he notice his HDD missing and report this to the police or did the guy replace the HDD?

Was the HDD a copy of the old so he wouldn't notice, or did the guy hope he'd just assume some kind of corruption?

I'm curious now!

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wut?

police in doing their job shocker?

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pmsl!

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Obviously

The Finnish police are better at their job than British plod. Over here the poor victim would have been `caught bang to rights chummy` and chucked in the nick without proof that he'd actually done the crime.

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Obviously...

You didn't read the article to the end or follow the link. The whole thing (apart from the birth of Mr Karttunen) took place in Essex.

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Unless the [sarcastic font on] wonderful [sarcastic font off] town of Basildon is an enclave of Finland.

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Good police work

I'm glad to see the police did a thorough job so justice was done.

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Bugger

So much for my last post. Thought this had happened in Finland.

Note to self: Put reading glasses on next time.

Still. This must be the one case where the plods haven't stitched up the wrong bloke.

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sigh

When empirically proven wrong, please don't persist with prejudice. It marks you out as a twat.

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You can't say that!

Where would we be without self appointed twats posting to el reg?

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re: obviously

How long exactly has Basildon been in finland Blubster ?

Or did your jaw get tired before you reached the end ?

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And I would have gotten away with if not for.....

The scary thing is that if he had been smarter about not leaving such a huge obvious trail he would have gotten away with it. I feel so sorry for the victim who was treated like a pedo (stopped from seeing his children etc), probably for quite awhile before the police got properly on the case.

This case is supposed to show the people in the forums here who always say that you aught to send or in some way plant illegal pr0n to MPs computers and get them arrested that it would not work. It reads like the opposite to me. Just need to wait for someoneto put together a tojan / virus that instead for nicking your bank details, puts illegal pr0n on unsuspecting peoples computers....

Then again if the everone in the country was being arrested for sex offenses maybe it would give the politians pause. Then again probably not....

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Already Happens

It's far from widespread, but this does already happen.

IIRC the story was on El Reg, a guy was acquitted because the defence were able to show that the images were put there by malicious software.

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Probably would have worked in the UK

Given the Police "less thinking required, better for the results" mentality.

Well done Finnish plod.

I'd say drinks down the pub but apparently alcoholism is at epidemic proportions.

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3/10 for reading comprehension.

Strange how a Finnish police investigation ended up being tried in a British court, don't you think?

:D

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S'no ith snot

Finland's drunnk pronnlemuh is lesh whan you fink.

Shitting in mi locale I c'n ear em. "S" becomes "Z"

Bassasssaz! Bzzazz! B'zaz {repeat 10 times} (commonest Finnish sentence on Friday* transates as: "You're my bestestest friend. Now, let's shake hands 10 times to prove it. Shorry, furgot yur name, my bestest mucker".

But, they always get home. In a blue-and-white taxi. Eventually.

Funny, rolling pins and baseball bats sell to women more that they do to men here...

* Twice on dole-day

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@Andus McCoatover

Hmm. Obviously this claim of the Finns being chronic booze hounds is just a smear put out by the Russian Tourist Board.

In which case it's pints raised to the Finnish plod

"But, they always get home. In a blue-and-white taxi. Eventually."

Do those "taxis" have a flashing light on top by any chance?

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What's so odd?

A UK investigation can be attempted to be tried in a 'merkan court. Lotfi Raisi, Gary McKinnon, etc...

So, where's the rub?

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Oddly,

"Do those "taxis" have a flashing light on top by any chance"

Oddly, Mine did last night. Thought it was all part of the service (hic) to get me to bed quicker. Godalmighty, if you've ever been on a Finnish bus, try a 'Blue+White' taxi. Damn fast. Trafic seems to evaporate in their presence.

(Tourist warning: They don't take credit cards.).

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The Sex Offenders Register? WTF?

Ok i have no problem with him being charged and locked in chokey for 4 and a half years. Trying to destroy someones life like this (especially considering the current Daily Fail's "Oh My God wont someone think of the children" bollocks - the guys lucky he didnt get lynched!) deserves at least 4.5 years.

But having to sign the Sex Offenders Register? I dont get it. OK he obviously downloaded the child porn to stick it on his victims machine but is there any evidence that he watched it? Or that he committed any sort of Sex crime? Is there anyone on the Sex Offenders Register anymore that actually committed a crime the database was set up for?

The Sex Offenders Register - destroying lives without needing to commit a sex crime since 2005...

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@Iglethal..

What are you gibbering on about...

"his victims machine but is there any evidence that he watched it?"

So you kind of guess he donwloaded a file labled "kidde porn 3" and hoped that it was that and not a pic of some sheep.

"Or that he committed any sort of Sex crime..."

Err possesion of Child pornography is classed as sexual offence...so therefore he is classed as a sex offender and this is what it was set up for, it's not some creaping offence.

Bear in mind the poor victim would have had the same charge levelled against him....

And Reg. in future when refering to foreign nationals I suggest the following...

A congolese man (living in UK) was arrested.....the congelese man (living in Uk) was arrested by UK police (not Conglese police) for a crime (In UK, not the Congo)., and tried in UK (not the Congo).

Therefore people may be able to put one and one together without the need to look up UK towns.

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Why he had to sign the SOR

Try reading the article title (my asterisks): Child abuse frame-up backfires on *stalker*

Or try reading the first words of the article: A *stalker's* plan...

He presumably had to sign the Sex Offenders' Register because he was stalking someone with an intent that presumably implied a sexual component (displace victim's hubby, take his place).

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not sure if...

the police should be congratulated for doing their job correctly, but well done those rozzers.

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Hey

...a job well done is always worthy of praise, especially when it saves some poor guy from a living nightmare. I hope Mr would-be victim gets the chance to batter this arsehole senseless at some point in the future.

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Aint life grand

And the totally innocent party in this has had his DNA removed from the database and his name struck off the sex offenders register?

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You gotta be having a larf!

Nope, he's probably still on the database and has been billed for board and lodgings while he was away from the family home.

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Unless he's an MP of course...

In which case he'll be able to claim his prison cell on expenses.

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He's got a record!

Of course the innocent party's DNA has not been removed fro the database. And of course he has a record -- being innocent has nothing to do with it. He was ACCUSED and therefore he's a prime suspect in the future. "Child Protection" works on the basis of guilty until proven not guilty, and even when proven not guilty that just means he wriggled out of it this time but we'll get him next time.

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if

If the guy hadn't posted the hard disk and instead left a tip off with ceop I'm sure he'd have got away with it.

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guilty until proven innocent

This story demonstrates just how easy it is to destroy someone's life just by making a false accusation about child abuse. The victim in this case was vindicated by evidence demonstrating that the accusation was false - not by lack of evidence that he was responsible for downloading the material.

Accusations remain on someone's criminal record, and can prevent them from getting a job, even if they are never proved.

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"even if they are never proved"

Or even valid as in this case. He was accused of something he never did.

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All too true

Anonymous Coward wrote

"This story demonstrates just how easy it is to destroy someone's life just by making a false accusation about child abuse. The victim in this case was vindicated by evidence demonstrating that the accusation was false - not by lack of evidence that he was responsible for downloading the material.

Accusations remain on someone's criminal record, and can prevent them from getting a job, even if they are never proved."

Too true! And until it happens to yourself you don't believe it's possible that school teachers, social workers, police all the way up to chief constable doctors and sundry assorted others could possibly be involved in such a system. However, truth is stranger than fiction. What a mess! Even the British Medical Association say that in Child Protection matters they will not interfere when a doctor's testimony is demonstrably utterly misleading. Doctor's written report to the prosecution authorities: "The child has a prominent scar on his forehead. The parents claim that he hit his head against a radiator." True, actually. But the doctor declined to provide the police with the rest of his own notes stated quite clearly that the said injury had occurred when the child was at school and not in the care of the parents at all.

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Hmm.

"The man was arrested, and subsequently prohibited from visiting his home or seeing his children."

Presumed innocent, eh?

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With a bit more time and effort...

...its possible to stitch someone up without the holes this idiot fell into.

Although I'd have to download the files to his PC without looking at them as it would be hard to un-see them.

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Funny you should mention that

A few years ago there was a guy who was convicted after 150,000 or so kiddie porn images were found on his computer. Since it's just not possible to manually select and archive that many images in normal browsing. I've often wondered if it was pulled down by a crawler, or whether he'd been obsessively downloading the images without really thinking about what it was.

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Scooby-Doo

"And I've have got away with it, if I hadn't been peddling kids!"

No? I'll get me....

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passwords

I suppose it's a sound reason to keep even your home PC password-protected.

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Except that doesn't help much

If someone has physical access to the machine, password protection (at most levels, anyway) is trivial to defeat.

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Password protected?

I doubt that would have helped, short of encrypting the HDD I doubt you would have stopped the guy putting stuff on it, besides it sounds like he removed the HDD to tamper with and didn't plant the evidence in situ before posting it.

I'm still confused how the guy didn't notice his HDD missing long enough for it to go throught the post and be investigated by the plod.

It raises an interesting point though, clearly the HDD has been removed from the owners premisis without his knowledge or consent, how the heck could ANYTHING stemming from that stand up in court?

The HDD was ripe to be tampered with (obvious here)...

Time stamps would mean nothing, the content would mean nothing...it's crazy!

So If I decide to rob a house but the owner wakes up and gives me trouble I can get revenge if I get away by tampering with the HDD on the laptop I stole and mailing it to the police?

(This has happened before, stolen latop with kiddie pron on posted to the plod, owner arrested and charged albeit admitted to possesion apparently but nothign to stop someone faking it)

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and...

will the original suspect be cleared?

100% ?

No.

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Scary thought

All this talk about password protecting your machine...

If the guy HAD encrypted his hard disk, what's to stop the guy who broke in installing a hardware key logger to get the key, THEN planting the evidence and making an anonymous phone call (or indeed sending off the HDD).

When the plod ask the guy for his password (which it's a crime not to reveal) only for them to then find this stuff which HAS to be his...after all it's on his encrypted HDD!..

Maybe in this case more security would actually shoot yourself in the foot?

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two part authentication...

.... is a wonderful thing.

No keyboard sniffing and the physical token needs to be present to allow logon.

something like Rohos would solve a lot of this.

for the really paranoid...

- use Rohos for your login, and store all your data in TrueCrypt (or the Rohos solution)

- have a seperate (maybe even non-passworded) account in plain view

- if someone logs onto the apparent default account have the webcam take a snapshot and email it to your cell

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Ah, but

The offence under RIPA (not revealing a password) carries a lighter sentence than possession of child porn.

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Except.....

In the case given, where you are the unfortunate victim of some child porn weilding stalker, you wouldn't know the child porn had been planted.

So you'd feel perfectly safe handing over the encryption key (assuming no other wrong doings, or standing on principle etc.)

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Surely...

if someone posts a disk to the police annonymously, the very FIRST thing the police should consider is that the person who posted it might have tampered with it?

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I think the phrase is "Chain of evidence."

Which would make a mockery of *any* trial.

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If I were a juror, had this proceeded to court.

The only thing I would know for certain is that someone stole this hard drive.

This would put that HD in the possession of a criminal.

That has to be reasonable doubt in anyone’s book.

Making it case over as far as I would be concerned

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